(NB) Nicole speaks out about her position

[Dee_FZZKY]

Nicole speaks out about her position

 

Article: "Statements don't make sense" Nicole's ambiguous position clarified

Source: Mydaily via Naver

1. [+3,484, -95] What she's saying is that she wants to stay with KARA but she doesn't want to stay with the damn company

2. [+1,672, -74] To put it clearly, she wants a clear hole to squeeze out of but she can't find out so she's leaving her statement ambiguous

3. [+1,738, -221] Just disband KARA already... I don't want to see them on TV. 

4. [+693, -22] People keep saying that Nicole can promote with KARA under a different company by using Shinhwa as an example but Shinhwa was only possible because of their large fandom and each of the members having the financial capability to lead a company like that. KARA's in a completely different boat. 

5. [+658, -45] Nicole's mom might think that Nicole will make more money without having to divide stuff with the group but she should realize that even groups like HOT and SES, groups that KARA couldn't even dream of living up to, struggled once they went solo. Nicole's a great dancer but there are plenty of kids who dance great. Singing? Rap? We all know she doesn't excel in those areas... as for acting, her pronunciation is still off. Her variety skills are lackluster... All in all, her mom shouldn't waste her daughter's life with her greed. 

 

source:  http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/10/nicole-speaks-out-about-her-position.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

[tsuki2]

Dang they had to bring the girls mother into this?? That's not ok :/

[Green Teaa]

The comments aren't as bad as I thought they would be except for the third one...

 

I just want Nicole and KARA to do well and be happy.

[edr49890]

 

Nicole doesn't want to GO solo..all NICOLE wants is to do solo ACTIVITIES not being SOLOIST...that's how i understand..

 

We Notice that Nicole doesn't have much activities like other member

 

and I'm POINTING out that KARA is DOING WELL so why suddenly they both Acted like that? Its because there's a PROBLEM with the MANAGEMENT. do you think if DSP doing fine with them? they will think twice? of course not..

[Onehallyu#1NiceOppaKW]

Nicole need to think twice not signing back to DSP.

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Stupid stupid knetz. Fuck you

[Mog]

 

 

Nicole doesn't want to GO solo..all NICOLE wants is to do solo ACTIVITIES not being SOLOIST...that's how i understand..

 

 

I haven't yet read the translation of the letter, but how you're interpreting it would make sense to me. You can want to do solo activity without meaning you're going to become a soloist. I think it's natural for a lot of idols to want to do solo activity so they can make extra income and get more opportunities to get themselves noticed rather than just count on group activity.

[Jeffrey Jung]

3. [+1,738, -221] Just disband KARA already... I don't want to see them on TV.

 

5. [+658, -45] Nicole's mom might think that Nicole will make more money without having to divide stuff with the group but she should realize that even groups like HOT and SES, groups that KARA couldn't even dream of living up to, struggled once they went solo. Nicole's a great dancer but there are plenty of kids who dance great. Singing? Rap? We all know she doesn't excel in those areas... as for acting, her pronunciation is still off. Her variety skills are lackluster... All in all, her mom shouldn't waste her daughter's life with her greed. 

well fuck you too hater

you can switch your channels to other you lazy dumbass

 

kids

just go study for your college and SAT instead of criticizing others for what you can't do

we don't need more morons in this world acting like they know everyone's private lives and their parents' intention

[Green Teaa]

I haven't yet read the translation of the letter, but how you're interpreting it would make sense to me. You can want to do solo activity without meaning you're going to become a soloist. I think it's natural for a lot of idols to want to do solo activity so they can make extra income and get more opportunities to get themselves noticed rather than just count on group activity.

 

Exactly this. To me it sounds like she wants to stay as a member within KARA and have a contract that way, but all other parts of her activities outside of KARA and in her life she wants to keep out of DSP. I'm sure DSP disagreed with this or something like that and it's lead to this situation...

[silicon soul]

Err I know knetz can be real cunts but why are they taking shots at Nicole's mum? Totally bang out of order.

[edr49890]

I haven't yet read the translation of the letter, but how you're interpreting it would make sense to me. You can want to do solo activity without meaning you're going to become a soloist. I think it's natural for a lot of idols to want to do solo activity so they can make extra income and get more opportunities to get themselves noticed rather than just count on group activity.

 

Yes..i'm sure but its cleary obvious DSP holding her activities ...anywya

 

i search for this...credit the owner

 

 

Long READING sorry 

 

 

This is the reason why the girls always mention CEO Lee when they get awards. He had ("으리") major loyalty and honor to his own people. They get all misty eyed because he kept the group alive and believed in them even before they debuted in 2007 with their single. Now, you may ask what happened to them after and all that 2011 events. Well, I will get to that.

 

So, after all that business crisis SS501 becomes the bread winner for the company, because they had debuted and was making traction at the time. They were running around in Korea and overseas (mainly Japan) to make income for their company family. And after debuting in 2007, KARA was running around trying to make money, too. They were even doing these small village reunion meetings (I really mean these little size "ì" level events; "ì" is a village level with like 20 to 50 houses) in the country side (yeah, KARA was doing these so called events, you know a little stage with older town folks; I kid you not; no, you won't find photos of that anywhere), to keep the group going. And you also have famous Hamtori running around on those small cable programs at that time too, especially in 2007 and 2008.

 

Then the Kara event happens in 2011. Here is unknown scoop to you guys.

What happened was that CEO Lee had an aneurism and collapsed, I believe in late 2009 or in 2010; he was a long time smoker (multiple packs a day). That and working 24/7 caught up to him. So, he was bedridden and in coma.

 

So, what happens? Who owns the company? Mr. Lee. And his wife, Mrs. Choi (Koreans don't take husband's name like in the US) takes over. Now, mind you, this woman never had a management experience before nor had any experience in the entertainment industry. She then hires her daughter (early 30's at that time) as a vice president. Now, this daughter NEVER had any experience either. In fact, she owned a kindergarten business (and that failed!). And you know what they did? They fire all the long time managers and directors (who really helped KARA during the early days. One of them was often called Papa by the girls. He was that close to them. Yeah, he is the guy who opened that Pojang Macha restaurant. You saw the photos.) and hired all these other new people. Then, they really start shoveling ("삽질") again. They were working the girls like dogs, sending them every other event to capture the new song Mister's fame. And mean while, they also had this web site called "Karaya" which sold cute and bright clothes modeled by the KARA members. Yeah, those I am sure you saw the picture of them modeling (even has videos on the Youtube of them modeling). Plus, the girls were doing all these promotions in Japan. The girls never saw money from the sales of the clothes on Karaya (never got accounting results from the company) and were absolutely tired.

 

 

What that woman did was that before contracting with Universal Music Japan, they set up DSP Media Japan. DSP Japan is owned by Mrs. Choi and is not a subsidiary of DSP Media Korea, which should have been the standard practice. Get it? And the contract is between DSP Media Japan and UMJ. In turn, DSP Media Japan is contracted with DSP Media Korea. Do you see double expensing somewhere here??? You should know that accounting practices in entertainment industry is never clear. And you know what else? At that time, she wouldn't even tell the girls where her husband was bedridden. The girls couldn't even go visit their CEO at his bed side.

 

 

The KARA event occurred because the parents of the girls got really fed up. Think about this, and especially from Nicole's mom's point of view, who lived in the US for over 14 years at least, does it make sense for their kids to be suffering like this? She has a different mindset then your typical Korean mindset. Money is fine and dandy but they were not happy at all. The management of their work and company was abysmal. It was being run like a village corner store. The management didn't tell the girls why or where they were going to do events. It was very top down and rigid. They all went into music business because they loved music, not because they needed money.

 

 

That's another thing, these girls do not come from poverty. None of them really need the money if push comes to shove. Hara is a special case because her parents divorced when they were young and she grew with her cousins and grandmother. Her aunts and uncles are not poor. The reason she is so realistic and financial astute is that she grew up by herself under her grandmother and realized she had to take care of herself by herself. But, she was never in a poverty conditions. People don't know this.

 

 

These girls were NEVER desperate for money, unlike many of the idol members. Yeah, you should know, many of your idol members come from poor economic conditions. That's a fact. Did you know that Lee Hyori basically fed her entire family and her parent's relatives as well? She is worth tens of millions of dollars now. Have you seen where she lived when she was a young girl and her father was working as a barber? I saw a documentary. It's the rare cases like Siwon of SuJu who is from a really wealthy family (I think his father owns some percentage of Samsung Electronics or something), most idols do not come from well to do life.

Anyways, that's why the KARA parents went nuclear and went for the lawsuits. So, why did this event get resolved? I will say this, what you see from your forums and news on the Korean music industry is only what is shown on the surface. What goes on under the surface is more complicated and more convoluted than anything there is.

-ultraman88

 

[dmn]

Dang they had to bring the girls mother into this?? That's not ok :/

Err I know knetz can be real cunts but why are they taking shots at Nicole's mum? Totally bang out of order.

But Nicole's mother was a leading figure in the 2011 drama with members filing for contract termination, so obviously she's gonna be in this and that is completely ok.

[MintWasted]

I bet DSP was punishing Nicole for the lawsuit years ago by limiting her non-group activities

Hara, Gyuri and Seungyeon were the first to return to DSP and they got acting roles

DSP: good at making groups - sucks at managing

[Hey Im K]

I dont think she wants to be a solo singer she wants solo activities just like the other members of Kara....

She wants to be a Kara member forever....Seems like She wants another company to handle her solo appearances on Shows & Drama & CF's ect

I totally understand that because like we all see she dose not get as many solo appearances like her other members

[DiamondDust]

I kinda understand her frustrations on how DSP is handling her career. I just hope everything will turn for the best, cause a feud like this sometimes takes a long time to be settled and it deeply affects the reputations and career of both parties..

[Magus27]

 

Yes..i'm sure but its cleary obvious DSP holding her activities ...anywya

 

i search for this...credit the owner

 

 

Long READING sorry 

 

 

This is the reason why the girls always mention CEO Lee when they get awards. He had ("으리") major loyalty and honor to his own people. They get all misty eyed because he kept the group alive and believed in them even before they debuted in 2007 with their single. Now, you may ask what happened to them after and all that 2011 events. Well, I will get to that.

 

So, after all that business crisis SS501 becomes the bread winner for the company, because they had debuted and was making traction at the time. They were running around in Korea and overseas (mainly Japan) to make income for their company family. And after debuting in 2007, KARA was running around trying to make money, too. They were even doing these small village reunion meetings (I really mean these little size "ì" level events; "ì" is a village level with like 20 to 50 houses) in the country side (yeah, KARA was doing these so called events, you know a little stage with older town folks; I kid you not; no, you won't find photos of that anywhere), to keep the group going. And you also have famous Hamtori running around on those small cable programs at that time too, especially in 2007 and 2008.

 

Then the Kara event happens in 2011. Here is unknown scoop to you guys.

What happened was that CEO Lee had an aneurism and collapsed, I believe in late 2009 or in 2010; he was a long time smoker (multiple packs a day). That and working 24/7 caught up to him. So, he was bedridden and in coma.

 

So, what happens? Who owns the company? Mr. Lee. And his wife, Mrs. Choi (Koreans don't take husband's name like in the US) takes over. Now, mind you, this woman never had a management experience before nor had any experience in the entertainment industry. She then hires her daughter (early 30's at that time) as a vice president. Now, this daughter NEVER had any experience either. In fact, she owned a kindergarten business (and that failed!). And you know what they did? They fire all the long time managers and directors (who really helped KARA during the early days. One of them was often called Papa by the girls. He was that close to them. Yeah, he is the guy who opened that Pojang Macha restaurant. You saw the photos.) and hired all these other new people. Then, they really start shoveling ("삽질") again. They were working the girls like dogs, sending them every other event to capture the new song Mister's fame. And mean while, they also had this web site called "Karaya" which sold cute and bright clothes modeled by the KARA members. Yeah, those I am sure you saw the picture of them modeling (even has videos on the Youtube of them modeling). Plus, the girls were doing all these promotions in Japan. The girls never saw money from the sales of the clothes on Karaya (never got accounting results from the company) and were absolutely tired.

 

 

What that woman did was that before contracting with Universal Music Japan, they set up DSP Media Japan. DSP Japan is owned by Mrs. Choi and is not a subsidiary of DSP Media Korea, which should have been the standard practice. Get it? And the contract is between DSP Media Japan and UMJ. In turn, DSP Media Japan is contracted with DSP Media Korea. Do you see double expensing somewhere here??? You should know that accounting practices in entertainment industry is never clear. And you know what else? At that time, she wouldn't even tell the girls where her husband was bedridden. The girls couldn't even go visit their CEO at his bed side.

 

 

The KARA event occurred because the parents of the girls got really fed up. Think about this, and especially from Nicole's mom's point of view, who lived in the US for over 14 years at least, does it make sense for their kids to be suffering like this? She has a different mindset then your typical Korean mindset. Money is fine and dandy but they were not happy at all. The management of their work and company was abysmal. It was being run like a village corner store. The management didn't tell the girls why or where they were going to do events. It was very top down and rigid. They all went into music business because they loved music, not because they needed money.

 

 

That's another thing, these girls do not come from poverty. None of them really need the money if push comes to shove. Hara is a special case because her parents divorced when they were young and she grew with her cousins and grandmother. Her aunts and uncles are not poor. The reason she is so realistic and financial astute is that she grew up by herself under her grandmother and realized she had to take care of herself by herself. But, she was never in a poverty conditions. People don't know this.

 

 

These girls were NEVER desperate for money, unlike many of the idol members. Yeah, you should know, many of your idol members come from poor economic conditions. That's a fact. Did you know that Lee Hyori basically fed her entire family and her parent's relatives as well? She is worth tens of millions of dollars now. Have you seen where she lived when she was a young girl and her father was working as a barber? I saw a documentary. It's the rare cases like Siwon of SuJu who is from a really wealthy family (I think his father owns some percentage of Samsung Electronics or something), most idols do not come from well to do life.

Anyways, that's why the KARA parents went nuclear and went for the lawsuits. So, why did this event get resolved? I will say this, what you see from your forums and news on the Korean music industry is only what is shown on the surface. What goes on under the surface is more complicated and more convoluted than anything there is.

-ultraman88

 

 

 

I just want to say thank you for posting that comment by ultraman88, it explains the situation a lot better now and also explains why Kara's music quality has ended up becoming crap for the most part in Korea vs what they release in Japan nowadays.  So Rainbow fell off the map as well once Mrs. Choi took over and they worked Kara like dogs to get more money in Japan.

 

If I were Nicole, I wouldn't want to re-sign with a company that treats the girls like crap just to keep the Kara name.  As much as I like Kara as a group, I think Nicole should do whatever she has to do.

[Symphonyâ„¢]

I agree with 5. Her mother never sat right with me after what she did.

[I Was Pon This Wei]

 

 

Nicole doesn't want to GO solo..all NICOLE wants is to do solo ACTIVITIES not being SOLOIST...that's how i understand..

 

We Notice that Nicole doesn't have much activities like other member

 

and I'm POINTING out that KARA is DOING WELL so why suddenly they both Acted like that? Its because there's a PROBLEM with the MANAGEMENT. do you think if DSP doing fine with them? they will think twice? of course not..

And if the rumors of DSP holding back Nicole ever since the contract dispute in the past are true than I totally understand why she would want another label to handle her solo activities.

 

I missed seeing Nicole on variety shows. She was so funny as the word describer in her segment of Star Golden Bell and her interactions with Jiyeon and IU on Heroes were adorable <3