Joga 1,315 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 We always talk about which GGs have fallen from grace (T-ara, Every JYP GG, KARA). Even though I have a very high opinion of those groups and their material, I do admit that they are not the powers they used to be. But why don't we ever talk about how soooooo many boy groups appear, and then fade into irrelevancy? MBLAQ BEAST BAP Boyfriend Teen Top B1A4 U-Kiss Super Junior 2pm SHINee (to a much much much less extent than the others) And then there are the newer, fresher groups who seem to take over the scene completely EXO BTS 17 Monsta X (and the countless others....!) Are fangirls quicker to jump ship than fanboys? Where is the longevity? *thinks* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekci 1,995 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acclaim! 3,522 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 And then there are the newer, fresher groups who seem to take over the scene completely Monsta X hahahaha lolool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICETERO 9,070 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 But boy groups tend to have a more stable fanbase than ggs If ggs flop with the public then it's over (unless u r snsd, 2ne1, apink etc) but for boy groups they can still keep going and milk their fans suju makes tons of $$$ from tours even though the public doesn't care about them anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyungri 509 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 It's worse with girl groups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleidoscope 1,068 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 But why don't we ever talk about how soooooo many boy groups appear, and then fade into irrelevancy? MBLAQ BEAST BAP(?) Boyfriend Teen Top B1A4 U-Kiss Super Junior 2pm SHINee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joji. 5,062 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 It's K-Pop, everything is disposable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Every. single. one. Everything and everyone is expendable, whether we like it or not. Enjoy these group while they last folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIwol 1,017 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Fade into relevancy?? SHINee World Concert IV.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joga 1,315 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 MBLAQ BEAST BAP(?) Boyfriend Teen Top B1A4 U-Kiss Super Junior 2pm SHINee B2ST's comeback was a messy nonevent, Teen Top was a serious underpeformance, 2pm's My House era was a disaster, Married To The Music can hardly be called a success, and we're not even going to get into whatever that was SJ tried to do this year. You were saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joga 1,315 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Fade into relevancy?? SHINee World Concert IV.... But we're talking about their 2015 stats in comparison to just three years ago, in 2012 when they were easily one of THE top groups. And now people are debating on whether they're even mid-tier. What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepkdramafan226 6,734 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Really??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odd-eyed 5,564 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Fade into relevancy?? SHINee World Concert IV.... Another Japan Arena Tour starting in January, with high chances of a few more Dome concerts added on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairweathermoviefan 1,104 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 But boy groups tend to have a more stable fanbase than ggs If ggs flop with the public then it's over (unless u r snsd, 2ne1, apink etc) but for boy groups they can still keep going and milk their fans suju makes tons of $$$ from tours even though the public doesn't care about them anymore Yep. SUjU the Korean BsB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odd-eyed 5,564 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 And now people are debating on whether they're even mid-tier. What happened? Yeah, because people debate whether they're either considered second-tier or top-tier, not lower lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIwol 1,017 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 But we're talking about their 2015 stats in comparison to just three years ago, in 2012 when they were easily one of THE top groups. And now people are debating on whether they're even mid-tier. What happened? Haters are debating... Why do you think even after 7 years, the name SHINee still has a bigger impact than most groups these days even after you said they are 'Fading into relevancy'... They are still the vocal of most experts in music. Loved by the public even non-fans... And not just the group but as individual artists too. If that's fading into relevancy to you, I don't know what to say with the other groups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quasimodo 3,181 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 B2ST's comeback was a messy nonevent, Teen Top was a serious underpeformance, 2pm's My House era was a disaster, Married To The Music can hardly be called a success, and we're not even going to get into whatever that was SJ tried to do this year. You were saying? it was a repackage with barely any promotion i mean aside from a few music performances they sold just short of 90k copies with one version alone, the digitals were underwhelming especially compared to View but sans promotion what could we expect? that being said MTTM got 100k+ downloads in its first week which is more than 90% of boygroups in theirs lmao and all of this doesn't take away from Odd's success which I cba to go into detail about over 7 years in the scene and they're still doing well even after a few group hiatuses mind you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joga 1,315 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Yeah, because people debate whether they're either considered second-tier or top-tier, not lower lol. Haters are debating... Why do you think even after 7 years, the name SHINee still has a bigger impact than most groups these days even after you said they are 'Fading into relevancy'... They are still the vocal of most experts in music. Loved by the public even non-fans... And not just the group but as individual artists too. If that's fading into relevancy to you, I don't know what to say with the other groups SHINee is one of my favorite BGs, lets NOT get into calling me a hater because I can clearly see they are in decline. You seemed to have ignored the whole point of my post, though. Why are they (and other BGs) slipping through the cracks so easily when rookie groups come out and take them over with ease? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddeona Oneul Bame 61,625 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleidoscope 1,068 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Why are they (and other BGs) slipping through the cracks so easily when rookie groups come out and take them over with ease? Which 'rookie' group has overtaken Shinee? Generally curious btw. edit: I do agree that many of the big groups are losing stamina, but I do not think todays rookies can fill their shoes just yet. And what I mean by fill their shoes is match them when it comes to general public relevancy, fandom size, overall revenue, cf deals, stability, digitals, album sales, concerts etc. Some of todays rookies can beat out the more established groups, especially when talking digitals, or in some cases even album sales, however there are still many elements that have not been reached yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHIwol 1,017 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 SHINee is one of my favorite BGs, lets NOT get into calling me a hater because I can clearly see they are in decline. You seemed to have ignored the whole point of my post, though. Why are they (and other BGs) slipping through the cracks so easily when rookie groups come out and take them over with ease? Because those BGs you are saying are the trend these days... They mostly got the newly joined kpoppers. Whereas the groups you say that are fading into relevancy already have solid fandoms. I don't know about the others but I'm pretty sure SuJu, 2pm and SHINee has pretty solid fandoms right now. Their names wouldn't fade into relevancy like you are saying even if many new idols began to trend. It's been awhile since boyfriend appeared in kpop since they got shipped off to Japan so i don't really know the status of their fans right now. Also seeing some of the new groups you mentioned, it seems like you are only looking at one place. They are not as relevant in Korea as they may seem to int fans.... But again, that's none of my business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandyCane23049 44,319 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Boy groups just debuting these past couple years should hope to reach Shinee, 2pm, Beast, etc.. level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joga 1,315 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Because those BGs you are saying are the trend these days... They mostly got the newly joined kpoppers. Whereas the groups you say that are fading into relevancy already have solid fandoms. I don't know about the others but I'm pretty sure SuJu, 2pm and SHINee has pretty solid fandoms right now. Their names wouldn't fade into relevancy like you are saying even if many new idols began to trend. It's been awhile since boyfriend appeared in kpop since they got shipped off to Japan so i don't really know the status of their fans right now. Also seeing some of the new groups you mentioned, it seems like you are only looking at one place. They are not as relevant in Korea as they may seem to int fans.... But again, that's none of my business I'm not comparing those boy groups to SHINee, 2pm, and SuJu to make those groups look like failures. I'm comparing them to make you realize how easy it is for BGs to fade out of the public eye And you just agreed with me, correct? They're trends, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joga 1,315 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Which 'rookie' group has overtaken Shinee? Generally curious btw. edit: I do agree that many of the big groups are losing stamina, but I do not think todays rookies can fill their shoes just yet. And what I mean by fill their shoes is match them when it comes to general public relevancy, fandom size, overall revenue, cf deals, stability, digitals, album sales, concerts etc. Some of todays rookies can beat out the more established groups, especially when talking digitals, or in some cases even album sales, however there are still many elements that have not been reached yet. EXO and BTS have overtaken SHINee. Why do you keep on bringing up Shinee in comparison to the new groups when I simply said Boy Groups in general fall out of fashion easily? Could those just be your own insecurities about your own group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 19,921 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Funny an after school stan is talking about boy groups being diposible. The boy group in their company will be the only way they'll ever get a comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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