Rophie 968 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 People allude to the lack of equal treatment between genders in the k-pop industry all the time, but most never seriously address the issue. Why is it that iKon's Bobby, SR15B's Taeyong & even EXO's Chanyeol are all able to bury their bullying scandal within weeks, yet when it comes to a girl group member's bullying scandal or even iljin scandal, it follows them around almost indefinitely. This also applies on a larger scale when we take into account drug scandals (GD vs Park Bom). What are your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKaiTales 3,483 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 ' & even EXO's Chanyeol are all able to bury their bullying scandal' ??????????????????????????????????// Also what kind of dumbass would you have to be to think that kpop is progressive? Like for real kpop plus any other entertainment business is never gonna aim to be progressive, they aim to make money, if suddenly they start taking an interest in minorities it's because they realize there is money to be made there, not because they care about fairness/equality and so on, just like in Hollywood. Though it is possible to be progressive within these industries, the industries themselves are certainly not progressive. maybe it's just u who thought kpop is progressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naru4ever 2,427 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Chanyeol bullying scandal? did I miss something? or was it his words against Suho? It was iKon's BI who bullied Chanwoo tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth 3,892 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 does anyone actually think the kpop industry is progressive though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Case closed 496 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 YG's chart sajaegi and awards manipulition is a more serious matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kashi 785 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Who thought Kpop industry was "progressive" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiaraewiwiarae 6,637 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 It's not kpop industry, it's Korean audience and society in general that threats genders differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarlette007 5,232 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Sexism exist in and outside of Korea. This isn't just isolated to Korean entertainment industry but to the global industry and across other fields/disciplines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rophie 968 Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, Chanyeol was caught talking bout how ugly SNSD was without makeup on an online forum. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Don't Cry 5,451 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I think you need to inform yourself about the word "bullying" first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn Girl 2,292 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 This has more to do with SK in general rather than kpop only- kpop is merely an extension (or bette yet reflection) of the misogyny in SK. Also I hope you're not brining this topic up just because of IU's scandal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Of Perception 12,466 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Kpop isnt really progressive thought It never was, it is "pop" after all its suppose to appeal to the masses so It will always follow the trends for the music styles As for bullying "scandals" its more to do with company power and fandoms then actual gender. The thing about Bom is her scandal has not got her banished 2ne1 is going to comeback eventually and if the song is good she wont effect the success of the group because of her scandal and for GD he only overcame his scandal thanks to music and vips and he still gets massive hate for being a "druggie". It seems this whole double standard debate happens every week but somehow the facts are always left in the mist in order to prove a biased point of view IU has gone through about 2455 scandals and is still around because she makes music that the public eats up as for most other females idols in the industry their styles are much more expendable and replaceable the same goes for boy groups but the difference is boy groups from larger companies have giant loyal fanbases that are ride or die, most girl groups dont have this and if groups like SNSD or Fx were to go through scandals their giant fanbases will back them the same way most boy groups get that treatment but if a group like Teen Top, Bestie or Topp Dogg were to get into scandal they would be done because they dont have a large fandom its not all about gender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKaiTales 3,483 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, Chanyeol was caught talking bout how ugly SNSD was without makeup on an online forum. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. certain regular users of the bashing thread are not gonna take kindly to the revelation that they are bullies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryu 5,519 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 it's pop music of a relatively conservative country what did you expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickwithsin 11,102 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Who thought Kpop industry was "progressive" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedenben 1,361 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Who thought Kpop industry was "progressive" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swiftswitchsurf 12,276 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Do we even know the contractual obligations and benefits given between employees to remotely ascertain how much equality there is from a business standpoint for kpop? Like, I'm fairly sure the most anyone can tell you is that korean actors get paid more than korean pop stars and are generally more respected. Nobody's talked about the obligations or contract disparities between genders. Though there's clear xenophobia to a certain extent that has been revealed. Most we know is that the industry is shit to their artists We just don't know if it's more shit to one gender than another(not counting societal norms which are more of an outside factor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limp 0 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 It's not kpop industry, it's Korean audience and society in general that threats genders differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rophie 968 Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 Well I'm not using Western standards to define progressive as that would be unfair, but in relation to other Eastern countries, it's safe to assume South Korea is one of the more progressive countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese2 3,241 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 "Why is it that iKon's Bobby, SR15B's Taeyong & even EXO's Chanyeol are all able to bury their bullying scandal within weeks" what? people still talk about taeyong's and assuming you meant b.i. being bullies in addition to b.i's dad embezzlement thing and taeyong scamming. "This also applies on a larger scale when we take into account drug scandals (GD vs Park Bom)" and gd's drug scandal still follows him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rophie 968 Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 certain regular users of the bashing thread are not gonna take kindly to the revelation that they are bullies. I don't want to start a fan-war. I just think this is just an important discussion to have, with or without the involvement of EXO the sentiment stated earlier holds true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rophie 968 Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 "Why is it that iKon's Bobby, SR15B's Taeyong & even EXO's Chanyeol are all able to bury their bullying scandal within weeks" what? people still talk about taeyong's and assuming you meant b.i. being bullies in addition to b.i's dad embezzlement thing and taeyong scamming. "This also applies on a larger scale when we take into account drug scandals (GD vs Park Bom)" and gd's drug scandal still follows him as well. I think this is a bit misguided, there are hundreds of big bang articles that have been created over the past couple of months and virtually none of the top comments were related to GD's drug scandal, however nearly all of 2NE1's articles involve Park Bom's drug scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAgirl 966 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 People allude to the lack of equal treatment between genders in the k-pop industry all the time, but most never seriously address the issue. Why is it that iKon's Bobby, SR15B's Taeyong & even EXO's Chanyeol are all able to bury their bullying scandal within weeks, yet when it comes to a girl group member's bullying scandal or even iljin scandal, it follows them around almost indefinitely. This also applies on a larger scale when we take into account drug scandals (GD vs Park Bom). What are your thoughts? I thought by your title you meant the music being progressive. It's not the music industry but society in general expect women to be gentle, kind, tolerable, compassionate and not act like thugs so when it does happens, it's seen as unacceptable and not tolerated. For men, it's not something unusual or surprising for them to be aggressive, bullies, or thugs (for lack of a better word) ...it's the macho mentality...so of course if it happens in KPOP or anywhere else, it's not that it's acceptable but it's overall less shocking than if females do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 445 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, Chanyeol was caught talking bout how ugly SNSD was without makeup on an online forum. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. http://omonatheydidnt.livejournal.com/10507951.html?page=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese2 3,241 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I think this is a bit misguided, there are hundreds of big bang articles that have been created over the past couple of months and virtually none of the top comments were related to GD's drug scandal, however nearly all of 2NE1's articles involve Park Bom's drug scandal. well bom's scandal is more fresh compared's to gd's which happened like 4 years ago plus if you read old netizenbuzz articles most comments even the top ones would call him a druggie and or say he needs to reflect and apologize. not that i'm denying double standards that go on in kpop or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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