sasha 2,956 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 to the point when they do media-play about self-composed songs etc.? i don't see how anyone but idols' fans would be appreciative of the show of individual artistry. casual listeners just buy songs that they like and don't buy what they don't like and that is that. but in case of shitstorm a lot of people might care because people like good scandals. so in the end there are more cons than props. on the other hand acts that own their name and their material to their own artistry from the very start mostly talk about their shit matter-of-factly. so why try and drag idols to the idea of "real artists" that is defined mostly by these acts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay 11,273 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 19,921 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Too make themselves feel better about where their bias group lacks in other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripiaoppa 15,307 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 What I don't understand is how people can brag about their bias artistry when its complete garbage? like seriously thats nothing to brag about ~~ you know who I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Seolhyun 7,303 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 What I don't understand is how people can brag about their bias artistry when its complete garbage? like seriously thats nothing to brag about ~~ you know who I'm talking about.Who?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dream Boy 3,048 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 It goes back to that dated concept that singers should sing lyrics based on their life experience lol I mean I don't care if someone else wrote/composed your song, if it's a good song then who tf cares? It's still "music" and can be appreciated the same way. Only snobby anti-social people like to brag about "real artists". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STORM 7,555 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 It appeals to the public and is exactly what YG sells to them with every group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikaEGO 8,626 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 So they can bring when their faves write their own songs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay Away 1,655 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't know other people but I don't care if a performer write their own songs or not. Now if they try to write their own songs I appreciate it a bit more if these songs are decent but if they are not then they should go back to just sing what they are given. A lot of great singers didn't write their own songs anyways. Not everyone can be a David Bowie or Freddie Mercury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasha 2,956 Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 It appeals to the public and is exactly what YG sells to them with every group. but do public care tbh? they sell because their music and cool concepts appeal to public taste, not because people think they are "talented" or what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherry 183 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 idk but ive learned that an artist can be a performer or a creator/composer so i guess theyre all artists in a way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nancy mcflurry 2,385 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't understand why people care so much about who wrote the song. Does it really matter? I only care if it's a good song or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn Girl 2,292 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 welcome to kpop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
양 지 10,015 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Tbh lol. I still would prefer jams produced by others then a poorly made song lol. It is only admirable to me when the songs are meaningful as u can really hear that the person singing actually lived it. Otherwise, while it is still another testament to their talent, it doesn't need to be mentioned every time someone talks about that person imo lol. Or in a situation of "my oppa/unnie is better than yours!!1". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midna 2,032 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 i personally love singer-songwriters because we get to see their artistry. i mean, if they don't, it's fine, but it just makes me respect them more if they try to create something themselves. that said, Nino's solos are beautiful <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaehyun 1,909 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 welcome to kpop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiaraewiwiarae 6,637 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Because they think that expressing oneself >>> expressing lyricist/composer's feelings and thoughts. Which can be an artist's personal opinion about themselves, but is complete bullshit when it comes to assessing the value of someone's talent. People think that if a singer wrote their own song, then they can convey feelings better, but the point is that conveying feelings is part of singer's skill and if they are bad at conveying others' feelings and only good at conveying their own, they're bad at singing. Pavarotti and Callas didn't compose their own operas, but they are still better singers than pretty much anyone else in the world in the 20th century (just for the record: it's an example, I'm not having an argument on who's really the best singer of 20th century). Being a singer is good, being a songwriter is good, being a singer-songwriter is good, but thinking that singer-songwriter >>> singer is delulu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasha 2,956 Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 i personally love singer-songwriters because we get to see their artistry. i mean, if they don't, it's fine, but it just makes me respect them more if they try to create something themselves. that said, Nino's solos are beautiful <3 do you often check who wrote/compose the song though? i'm usually half through artist's discography when i found out these kind of things. sometimes i won't care even then. for me singers like actors tbh. if they constantly choose to star in movies that i think are good - they've already got all my respect lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuckfire 698 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 but do public care tbh? they sell because their music and cool concepts appeal to public taste, not because people think they are "talented" or what not. Actually, they do, that's the exact reason why big bang are considered artists and why its OK to like them after high school in Korea. You aren't thinking about the big picture here. When a singer writes or composes their own music, it allows you to connect to that singer. You get hate for this in the West too, which is why Taylor Swift is so respected. Look back through history and you will find most of the greatest songs of all time were made by that performer. Kpop is constantly accused of making music too much of a product meant for fast consumption and running too much on image, having idols make their own stuff might help that. Plus companies have given idols many horrible songs, so that's not excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasha 2,956 Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 Actually, they do, that's the exact reason why big bang are considered artists and why its OK to like them after high school in Korea. You aren't thinking about the big picture here. When a singer writes or composes their own music, it allows you to connect to that singer. You get hate for this in the West too, which is why Taylor Swift is so respected. Look back through history and you will find most of the greatest songs of all time were made by that performer. Kpop is constantly accused of making music too much of a product meant for fast consumption and running too much on image, having idols make their own stuff might help that. Plus companies have given idols many horrible songs, so that's not excuse it's true that people in SK have prejudice against idols. but to say they are popular because they write their own stuff and people connect with them is a bit preposterous. "Look back through history and you will find most of the greatest songs of all time were made by that performer." ehhh. sorry but nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 It shows a level that is higher than just being a singer. In theory, anyone can be a singer nowadays if you have the right look and the right people in the studio. To actually go and craft those songs you sing as well, that puts you at a higher level. It's not a a concept that is going to go away just because people think it's unfair. It's funny that the only people who complain about this system are those who like acts who aren't seen as real artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuckfire 698 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 it's true that people in SK have prejudice against idols. but to say they are popular because they write their own stuff and people connect with them is a bit preposterous. "Look back through history and you will find most of the greatest songs of all time were made by that performer." ehhh. sorry but nope. G Dragon is called the most hard working idol for that exact reason, big bang is huge for that exact reason, they made themselves huge and YG along with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midna 2,032 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 do you often check who wrote/compose the song though? i'm usually half through artist's discography when i found out these kind of things. sometimes i won't care even then. for me singers like actors tbh. if they constantly choose to star in movies that i think are good - they've already got all my respect lol If I really like the song I do try to check the composers if the info is available lol. I always check for lyrics and composers of songs I really really like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacus 442 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I'm not really going to comment on the Korean concept of idol vs artist since I'm not Korean. I'll stick to the US where it doesn't matter if a singer or group wrote their songs except to a rare few music snobs or crazed fans. Most of us just care about the finished product. There are far more iconic singers and groups that weren't songwriters than those who were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasha 2,956 Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 It shows a level that is higher than just being a singer. In theory, anyone can be a singer nowadays if you have the right look and the right people in the studio. To actually go and craft those songs you sing as well, that puts you at a higher level. It's not a a concept that is going to go away just because people think it's unfair. It's funny that the only people who complain about this system are those who like acts who aren't seen as real artists. isn't musicianship what matters to singer the most? a good musicianship is what makes for good singer. i don't think that status of singer-songwriter automatically grands you a higher level of achievement than status of singer. i don't think it's unfair. i muse on the emphasis people put on self-composed material even if it's no good or just co-composed/co-writed just because it's idols who make it. and how it can backfire on artist e.g. IU. but if you think the whole concept ain't forced in any way and people are just being salty - i'm good with this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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