sasha 2,956 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 and in your fandoms that the most reasonable people aren't really popular or sometimes are even labeled as haters? and by reasonable i mean that they actually spend a lot of time digging and analyzing information to make their conclusions(e.g. dmn). note: reasonable = consistent reasonable = argumentative reasonable = usually operates with numbers, documents and common sense note: reasonable =/= peaceable reasonable =/= nice and tadam! has the same opinion as you doesn't mean reasonable edit: you can be a dick and a reasonable person at the same time. dmn can shit on people but you can't deny he is pretty helpful edit 2: it happened for dmn to stand one of the most successful act in k-pop with boom-period in japan which is undeniably reflected in sales. but not the point. dmn was an example. but lolol i think the answer on my question is right infront of my eyes now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Like Troy 3,333 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 19,921 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Reasonable doesn't mean what you just described. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myth 6,602 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 dmn doesn't come to reasonable conclusions. He takes numbers and smears opinions on them by invalidating everyone's sales except SNSD's. The ones who come to reasonable conclusions are the ones who don't start a shitfest like MoreTokyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvhy 0 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Since when is dmn reasonable. V.I.P's label me as a hater because I shit on BB all the time. I still love them, but I just point out their flaws. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananabrows 2,169 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAYAKA 9,964 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 dmn is far from reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temptastic VII 6,473 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Queen's are either really reasonable, or totally delulu(esp.Jiyeon fans LOL). It's hard to find people in the inbetween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sane 16,342 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 A lot of the time, yes. People don't want to hear what's realistic, they want to hear what they like. No comment on dmn though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinolover 3,610 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Queen's are either really reasonable, or totally delulu(esp.Jiyeon fans LOL). It's hard to find people in the inbetween. Once I left the t-ara thread, the delulu to reasonable balence tipped over into the abyss. should I restore the weight of the queens with my presence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina 8,123 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Most people here don't think thoroughly or analytically. Coming here as been a struggle recently as I feel I need to explain everything to people because they lack the ability to do so themselves. As for the more 'popular' and hated members, well it's kind of all over the spectrum. There are users who are popular whom I think know very little, while other users are made fun of when they actually apply higher thinking to topics. At the same time, there are also users who are down right idiotic and are outcasts, just as there are others whom are objective and express themselves nice who are the forum favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanallena 3,659 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Dmn has been reasonable a lot of times Why are we even disputing about him tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunface 3,496 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Queen's are either really reasonable, or totally delulu(esp.Jiyeon fans LOL). It's hard to find people in the inbetween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iljin Prince 904 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Dmn has been reasonable a lot of times Why are we even disputing about him tho He uses numbers which is the least subjective you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temptastic VII 6,473 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 No, not all Jiyeon fans are delulu, but the delulu fans have a high percent of Jiyeon, and sometimes Soyeon fans. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoplz 2,333 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temptastic VII 6,473 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Once I left the t-ara thread, the delulu to reasonable balence tipped over into the abyss. should I restore the weight of the queens with my presence? HAHAHA! You should make a comeback anyway <3 Missed you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 19,921 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Dmn has been reasonable a lot of times Why are we even disputing about him tho You're an SM stan though, if you disagree with him, he acts like you're totally inferior to him, there's nothing reasonable about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myth 6,602 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Dmn has been reasonable a lot of times Why are we even disputing about him tho Really... 2013 Half Year Rankings 1 411,800 ã¦ã£ãºã‚“ã¨ã£ãŸã‚“ã§ï¼ LOL 13/2/27 ï¼®ï¼ï¼¢ï¼”８ - this album was released with 3 different DVD versions + huge amount of event tickets in a theater edition. If this album was released like how SNSD release their albums, it would have sold less than 100,000 copies. 2 365,021 ファンã‚ーモンã‚ーベイビーズ　ＬＡＳＴ　ＢＥＳＴ DRM 13/3/27 ＦＵＮＫＹ　ï¼ï¼¯ï¼®ï¼«ï¼¥ï¼¹ã€€ï¼¢ï¼¡ï¼¢ï¼¹ï¼³ - this is a compilation album, not a studio album (FMB can sell decent numbers of studio albums though, see #12) (this album was released as the group disbanded) 3 313,493 ＥＸＩＬＥ　ＢＥＳＴ　ＨＩＴＳ　ï¼ï¼¬ï¼¯ï¼¶ï¼¥ã€€ï¼³ï¼©ï¼¤ï¼¥/ï¼³ï¼¯ï¼µï¼¬ã€€ï¼³ï¼©ï¼¤ï¼¥ï¼ RZN 12/12/5 ＥＸＩＬＥ - this is a compilation album, not a new studio album (EXILE can sell huge numbers of studio albums though) 4 292,623 ＴＩï¼ï¼¥ AVT 13/3/6 æ±æ–¹ç¥žèµ· - this album was released with 2 different DVD versions (+CD only version) + the special fanclub editions and events which required people to buy all versions. If this album was released like how SNSD release their albums, it would for sure have sold less than 150,000 copies. 5 262,933 ï¼ï¼©ï¼²ï¼¡ï¼£ï¼¬ï¼¥ RZN 13/1/1 三代目　Ｊ　Ｓï½ï½•ï½Œã€€ï¼¢ï½’ï½ï½”ｈｅｒｓ - these sales are actually "legit" without gimmicks. This is actually music that is so popular that it sells 260,000 copies. 6 260,324 Ｇï½ï½ï½„ã„ããœï¼ AVT 13/3/27 Ｋｉｓï¼ï¼ï½™ï¼ï¼¦ï½”ï¼’ - jpop boygroup going all out with their different editions etc. If this album was released like how SNSD release their albums, it would only have sold about 100,000 copies. 7 256,822 ãƒãƒ©ãƒ¼ä¸¼ ES 12/12/19 ã„ãã‚‚ã®ãŒã‹ã‚Š - this is a compilation album, not a new studio album (Ikimono-gakari can sell huge numbers of studio albums though) 8 223,192 ５ＴＨ　ＤＩï¼ï¼¥ï¼®ï¼³ï¼©ï¼¯ï¼® K 13/4/10 ã‚‚ã‚‚ã„ã‚クãƒãƒ¼ãƒãƒ¼ï¼º - this album was released in one 2xCD version and one CD+DVD version to make people buy 2 copies. If this album was released like how SNSD release their albums, it would have sold about 130-140,000 copies. 9 221,978 テイク﹒ミー﹒ホームSJI 12/11/14 ワン﹒ダイレクション - this is One Direction's album so these sales are pretty legit without gimmicks. But it's priced as Western albums. SNSD's albums cost like 2 times as much. 10 203,950 鬆任谷由実　４ï¼å‘¨å¹´è¨˜å¿µãƒ™ã‚¹ãƒˆã‚¢ãƒ«ãƒãƒ 　日本ã®æˆ€ã¨ã€ãƒ¦ãƒ¼ãƒŸãƒ³ã¨ã€‚ TO 12/11/20 鬆任谷由実 - this is a compilation album, not a studio album 11 195,969 äººç”ŸÃ—ä»†ï¼ ASI 13/3/6 ＯＮＥ　ＯＫ　ＲＯＣＫ - I think these sales are "legit" without gimmicks (this is a j-rock band). This is actually music that is so popular that it sells almost 200,000 copies. 12 163,289 ファンã‚ーモンã‚ーベイビーズ５ DRM 12/12/26 ＦＵＮＫＹ　ï¼ï¼¯ï¼®ï¼«ï¼¥ï¼¹ã€€ï¼¢ï¼¡ï¼¢ï¼¹ï¼³ - I think these sales are "legit" without gimmicks. This is actually music that is so popular that it sells 160,000 copies. 13 161,211 アンオーソドックス﹒ジュークボックス WMJ 12/12/12 ブルーノ﹒マーズ - this is Bruno Mars' album so these sales are pretty legit without gimmicks. But it's priced as Western albums. SNSD's albums cost like 3 times as much. 14 160,478 〔（ï½ï½Žã€€ï½‰ï½ï½‰ï½”ï½ï½”ｉï½ï½Žï¼‰ã€€ï½‚ｌï½ï½ï½„　ï½ï½’ï½ï½Žï½‡ï½…〕 TF 12/11/28 ï¼ï½’．Ｃｈｉｌｄｒｅｎ - this is the album Mr Children released last year, same week as SNSD. It's sold almost 800,000 copies so far and these sales are "legit", but Mr. Children are absolute legends in Japanese music. 15 158,438 ｓï½ï½‹ï½ï½Žï½ï½ƒï½”ｉï½ï½Ž V 13/3/13 サカナクション - I think these sales are "legit" without gimmicks (this is a j-rock band). This is actually music that is so popular that it sells 160,000 copies. http://www.oricon.co...21/index03.html I know that some of you here just insist on thinking that GG2 only selling a bit over 200,000 is somehow a huge flop because you simple refuse to try to understand what the sales of other acts actually look like. But truth is that over the last 6 months, there has only been one new album released (the one by Sandaime J Soul Brothers) which actually is more popular/appreciated than SNSD's GG2. Obviously, there has kind of been a lack of big studio album releases in these 6 months though. Mr. Children, B'z, Arashi, Namie Amuro, EXILE, Nishino Kana, Ikimono-gakari, AKB48, Perfume and Superfly = 10 Japanese acts that probably would sell over 200,000 copies "legitly" if they release a new studio album. Sigh, so reasonable. Invalidating the sales of albums that outsold SNSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunface 3,496 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 No, not all Jiyeon fans are delulu, but the delulu fans have a high percent of Jiyeon, and sometimes Soyeon fans. :D people doesnt even know im a jiyeon fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temptastic VII 6,473 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 people doesnt even know im a jiyeon fan I know you are a Jiyeon fan you duffer. (Can't wait for the badge change. Then I'll get her badge, Right now It's not that pretty.... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina 8,123 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 You're an SM stan though, if you disagree with him, he acts like you're totally inferior to him, there's nothing reasonable about that. If you believe you're right and someone disagrees with you, in your mind that person's intellect is not to your level, thus they are inferior. It's a simple concept. There's nothing unreasonable about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 19,921 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 If you believe you're right and someone disagrees with you, in your mind that person's intellect is not to your level, thus they are inferior. It's a simple concept. There's nothing unreasonable about it. So if someone has a different opinion than you they are stupider than you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regina 8,123 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 So if someone has a different opinion than you they are stupider than you? If I present an opinion or a piece of knowledge and someone argues it, I'm led to believe they're not as intellectually vast or else they would be able to grasp what I'm saying and come to the conclusion than I am correct. Everyone on Earth holds the beliefs that they do because they believe them to be right, otherwise they wouldn't be their beliefs. My mindset is no different than anyone else's, I'm just a bit more vocal about being better than most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunface 3,496 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I know you are a Jiyeon fan you duffer. (Can't wait for the badge change. Then I'll get her badge, Right now It's not that pretty.... ) i have her badge but i had to replace it the position with BEG badge ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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