Jo. 20,104 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 IU's problematic lyrics of Zeze + lolicon concept? Lyrics of Zeze: It’s amusing Look at the tail of your lips risingI can tell by your laughYou’re definitely mischievousAh ah your name is really prettyI want to keep calling itThe things I cannot sayThose bad thoughts are lovelyWith your small fingersYou touch the soundsWith that ticklish voiceYou sing those colors and landscapes yeahZeze hurry and come up the treePut your lips on the leavesDon’t joke aroundYou can’t hurt the trees, you can’tZeze hurry and come up the treeTake the youngest leaf hereTake away the one of a kind flowerClimb up meClimb up meLike a flower bloomedLook at the two cheeks turned rosyYou’re really innocentBut you’re definitely cunningYou seem transparent like a little childSomething about you is dirtyThere’s no way to find outWhat it is living inside youRight now, above your headThere may be a floating sunBut I vaguely seeDark clouds filled inside youZeze hurry and come up the treePut your lips on the leavesDon’t joke aroundYou can’t hurt the trees, you can’tZeze hurry and come up the treeTake the youngest leaf hereTake away the one of a kind flowerClimb up meClimb up meI want to touch you one more timeI wait for you here everydayCome and take everythingI want to call for youI wait for you here everydayYou sneak awayBut you’ll come to see me again tomorrow nightZeze hurry and come up the treePut your lips on the leavesDon’t joke aroundYou can’t hurt the trees, you can’tZeze hurry and come up the treeTake the youngest leaf hereTake away the one of a kind flowerClimb up meClimb up me (Translation source) IU's interview: "Zeze in 'My Sweet Orange Tree' is a character of hypocrisy. At some points, he's described as "angelic kid, kid with a shining mind" but at other points, he's described as "I've never seen someone as evil as you. You're hopeless." He's innocent but also cruel. He makes people dislike him because he's too playful. The story makes sense because Zeze is young. Zeze as a character is full of hypocrisy, that's why I found it charming and sexy. I got caught between the kid's two sides but I kept cheering for him and loved him until the end of the book. I thought he was amazingly charming. The lyrics are about me talking to Zeze from Minginui's point of view. I considered a lot to write the lyrics. I wrote the song with a lot of possibilities of interpretations." However, if you read the book, you cannot say that Zeze, an abused child, is cunning or sexy. - An amateur photographer also pointed out IU's lolicon concept: The books behind her are "Leon, Delicate, Discipline" Leon is a famous film with a lolicon concept. Delicate is used to describe a "weak girl who is easy to be tricked sexually" in lolicon context. Discipline means an adult man disciplining a girl sexually. The three words are infamous clichés of lolicon. White dress and messy hair The photographer says these two pictures are clearly lolicon concept - She sings, "I'm going to be a moist woman" and pours milk on a doll in the music video. In the film 'Leon', Mathilda tells Leon, "you need to feed me with water if you want me to grow." In this context, 'water' translates into 'cum'. "Raising a girl with water" is an infamous lolicon cliché meaning "giving cum". = Pann: IU definitely has to give a feedback to this 1. [+380, -56] Woah fuck, I'm getting goosebumps... Wow... so dirty... She's a bubble for sure ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Innocent, my fucking ass~ It wasn't too long ago when she sang songs written by other composers and shook her butt. I knew something was wrong when she suddenly started to act like an artist. Bullshit. I hope many people would read this post. 2. [+374, -20] Wow, it's my first time of seeing Zeze lyrics. Who the hell wrote them? The kid was abused extremely cruelly by his dad and the lack of affection made him rebel. She sees this as charming and sexy?? 3. [+354, -18] It's not blowing up because it's IU. If it was an other artist, they would've became another Yewon. 4. [+174, -7] I've always sensed that she's sexual. I think she likes lolicon concept. 5. [+141, -10] I also heard about plagiarism accusations of Leon. I'm not sure if it's just me but it sounds really the same... You can sing the song with the background music. Labelle - Open Up Your Heart. 6. [+131, -5] "I'm going to be a moist woman" ㅋㅋㅋ What's wrong with her? Just do an obvious sexy concept like Hyuna and shoot a nude pictorial. Lolicon concept is disgusting. 7. [+128, -3] Did you guys know that Zeze is also accused of plagiarism? ㅋㅋㅋ Fuck 8. [+115, -0] Minginui is a tree who is Zeze's friend and knows Zeze's mind. How can the lyrics be from Minginui's perspective? And Zeze is only five, it's a bit wrong to call him sexy. 9. [+99, -1] This is from IU's album cover. This kid seems to be Zeze and he's wearing fish stockings and is posing like a pinup girl ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Obvious shotacon, isn't it? I don't understand what she intended when she wrote the lyrics. What she says is a complete misinterpretation ㅋㅋ Did she even read the book? 10. [+93, -3] Her idea on sexualization has a lot of problems. A normal 23-year-old woman can't have this kind of thinking. 11. [+86, -2] I wonder how she'll get away with it this time 12. [+84, -1] IU said in an interview that Zeze was her favorite track and that she expected it to be #2... IU wrote the song. 13. [+83, -1] I saw this and um... (IU's album photo is similar to a scene in a lolicon film) 14. [+72, -1] Am I the only one who finds Zeze lyrics erotic? "Take the youngest leaf here" sounds like a lolicon line and a flower is commonly used to symbolize purity... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Pann] IU's problematic interpretation of Zeze in her lyrics for 'Zeze' Pann: IU's pedophile concept(Summary of post) The topic of IU's interpretation of the autobiography 'My Sweet Orange Tree' has been being discussed for a couple days now. Her lyrics to the song 'Zeze' are based off of the character of an abused 5 year old boy named Zeze from the book. In an interview about writing the lyrics to the song, IU says she felt Zeze's misunderstood traits made him hypocritical but "cunning, charming, and sexy".People found it disturbing that she would describe a 5 year old child as "sexy", even dirty in a way, and even go as far as to depict him on her album cover in a sexy pose wearing fish net stockings. Considering that the book handles issues of child abuse, many were upset that IU was viewing the character in a pedo-ish way, describing him in ways in her lyrics that adult pedos would describe a child, blaming the child for exuding these traits capable of seduction (the lyrics are written from the perspective of Zeze's only true friend in the book but IU's lyrics give off heavy elements of sexuality).Discussions have delved further into IU's lolita concept where she's often seen with infantile things in her music videos like a milk bottle and her past songs where she sings of being a young girl being in love with an older man and wanting to speed time up as a result.-1. [+414, --10] Like the OP said, if a male idol had written a song saying that he felt a 5 year old child he read in book was sexy to him and drew that child in a pin-up girl pose in fishnet stockings, this issue would've gotten far more attention.2. [+367, -9] How she interpreted Zeze is honestly the most shocking to me. How did she feel a sexiness from a 5 year old child suffering from abuse? Especially from the perspective of Minguinho? She says in her lyrics "Take my youngest leaf, break off my only flower"... How can she interpret Minguinho as seeing Zeze as something sexual?... Just how..3. [+363, -11] Honestly, combined with the lyrics and how Zeze is depicted in her album cover with a hole in the tree and a flower and mushrooms around him, it's easy to tell that IU thinks Minguinho viewed Zeze sexually. I'm not sure how she came to this conclusion.4. [+197, -1] I felt this while watching the music video too. IU's slowly getting older and maturing and she realizes she needs to change up her image but the image of IU conjures up an innocent, young, emotional concept of a girl with a choding body. She can't go out with a sexy concept like other girl groups so she has to hide in sexual cliches in her music videos like this. They call this 'mise en scene' in movies.5. [+180, -3] You get treated like pedo trash if you try this Lolita concept stuff in America or England6. [+143, -1] If a male singer had depicted a 5 year old little girl in fish nets and called her sexy and dirty......... I could never have imagined that someone could imagine Zeze in such a way.7. [+136, -1] Even if it's just a concept, I think IU's enjoying it... enjoying the attention of older men who like young girls.8. [+134, -0] The reason IU's interpretation is messed up is because she said she wrote the lyrics from Minguinho's perspective of Zeze. Minguinho is one of the only characters who understands that Zeze is acting out of innocence. The reason Zeze is so misunderstood and seen as hypocritical in the book is because the adults see his pranks as crossing the line.9. [+133, -0] Is IU a pervert10. [+124, -2] Okay, fans can shield the lolita concept all they want but the biggest problem here is that she felt a sexiness from a 5 year old kid11. [+103, -1] Do IU's fans honestly believe that it's normal to interpret a 5 year old child as sexy?12. [+102, -6] Something off about her the more we see her..13. [+90, -0] You can't just call this a concept when she said with her own mouth that she felt a 5 year old child was sexy.14. [+87, -0] In my opinion, I don't think IU's a pedo and all that but she's just too obsessed with being so mysterious and unique and just took it too far without knowing where to draw a line this time. This book is often favored by those edgy kids who think they're so artistic when it's probably the only book she read since junior high. She took her interpretation too far to be as edgy as possible and now people are calling her out for it. She's not educated enough to pull off a concept that others with more age and experience like Jang Giha and Horan can pull off with ease.-Source: Pann1. [+181, -14] The fact alone that she described a 5 year old child as being sexy is enough for controversy ㅋㅋㅋ And Minguinho is the only character that understands the abuse Zeze is suffering in his home, just how in the world can IU write lyrics from his perspective interpreting Zeze in such a way? Everyone knows what "break my only flower, my youngest leaf" is alluding to; It surprises me that IU thought Minguinho viewed Zeze sexually.2. [+176, -10] The people who view Zeze as "cunning" are the people in his town. But IU talked about writing the lyrics from Minguinho's perspective, the only person who understood that Zeze had no malice and was innocent in his actions. The only reason adults viewed Zeze as cunning was because he took his pranks too far in their opinion.3. [+158, -16] I got goosebumps at this part "Look at your two blushing cheeks, you're so innocent, but you're definitely cunning, you may seem clear like a young child but you're dirty somewhere, no one can tell what's living inside of you" ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ I can't believe IU wrote this...4. [+86, -1] Are all of you defending this honestly thinking it's okay that IU wrote lyrics telling a 5 year old child to "climb on me"?? Really?- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gayness 2,400 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 sly fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l�l�� 2,504 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 srly the witch hunt is real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modella 2,015 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Sly fox indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunny 5,676 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 queen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelliabloom 4,557 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Koreans can't seem to keep the sly fox queen's name out of their mouths. Gotta love that IU effect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
night vale. 8,071 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I have a question: Is the witch hunt for IU this real in Korea right now or are translators just stirring shit? Regardless, Zeze is my favorite song on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcey 7,752 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ë°” í…€ 2,123 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Yay end her career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 148 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 the lyrics tho on a sidenote, these k-netz have no chill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay Away 1,655 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 But IU has always had a Lolita aura and concept going on for her. lol If people there never noticed is because they were too dumb to realize it. Have people never read her lyrics before?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethnic Pop 3,166 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Are people really reading this much into it? Maybe IU is sacrificing her career to revive a previously broken career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay Away 1,655 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 10. [+93, -3] Her idea on sexualization has a lot of problems. A normal 23-year-old woman can't have this kind of thinking. Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirl. Never come to Latin America. You'll be scandalized. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnie 1,207 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 queen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galhadineas 2,027 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The book shes talking about is actually a brazilian book lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brittany 8,837 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 2. [+374, -20] Wow, it's my first time of seeing Zeze lyrics. Who the hell wrote them? The kid was abused extremely cruelly by his dad and the lack of affection made him rebel. She sees this as charming and sexy?? Lol. But their webtoons and manhwas say otherwise. Btw, who is this ''amateur photographer''? Some random Pann girl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_brown 2,139 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Hmmm I will always like her music no matter what (Plus what's the big deal anyways, she's already an adult. It's not like she committed any crimes) The only reason netizens are acting this way is because they saw her totally innocent and assumed she was, now they see something different they try to make her out to be a "fox" or sly whatever I bet most commenters also have sexual desires (if thats what tehy think the song is about) so I dont think IU needs to be blamed for small things like this. she doesn't need to be that innocent/ first nation's sister title holder forever It's burdensome anyways. I'm glad she's trying out different concepts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susu 2,329 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 IU be like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echu2012 308 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 This is one of the perks of not understanding the lyrics and just appreciating the music. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo. 20,104 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 I have a question: Is the witch hunt for IU this real in Korea right now or are translators just stirring shit? Regardless, Zeze is my favorite song on the album. I want to say it's mostly this. Most of the articles are coming from Nate and Pann, and shouldn't be taken seriously. Her songs are still doing well on the charts, so the general public isn't turning against her. It's just kids on Pann and some commenters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiraishrimp 5,413 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikaEGO 8,626 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 GET DAT YUNG MULA BABY IU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsallajoke 925 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The witch hunt is real, god. But this is the first album I like from her, tbh. And Zezé is my favorite song, so.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noon 20,968 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 IU's interview: "Zeze in 'My Sweet Orange Tree' is a character of hypocrisy. At some points, he's described as "angelic kid, kid with a shining mind" but at other points, he's described as "I've never seen someone as evil as you. You're hopeless."He's innocent but also cruel. He makes people dislike him because he's too playful. The story makes sense because Zeze is young. Zeze as a character is full of hypocrisy, that's why I found it charming and sexy. I got caught between the kid's two sides but I kept cheering for him and loved him until the end of the book. I thought he was amazingly charming. The lyrics are about me talking to Zeze from Minginui's point of view. I considered a lot to write the lyrics. I wrote the song with a lot of possibilities of interpretations." However, if you read the book, you cannot say that Zeze, an abused child, is cunning or sexy. um i love iu but yall can't deny that if she really said this, it was very poor word choice. idols have been criticized over saying less controversial things in a stupid way, yet this is actually sort of .... yall van be all "slay queen" you want to, but acknowledge that her words here were not well thought. also the little boy on the cover with the stockings .... this is like the only legitimate complaint are yall not seeing this? edit: oh and im not saying she's a pedophile or sexualising zeze (the child character) im just pointing out that her words in the interview + the image on the album are a bit of a poor choice considering the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chananaz 61 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Hmm I wonder what the comments would be like if it was a male artist doing this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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