Official Plastic Surgery Thread

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4 hours ago, Metrico said:

For all the alarm a few pages back Dino's nose looks fine or more or less normal right now btw, I think he just got fresh filler or if he did do something more substantial it's calmed down and doesn't look pinched anymore. He may have reduced the bottom bulb of his tip (if so not nearly as much as Joshua) to a softer curve upward + filler giving a wedgier point look as it does look pointer to me but it's a little confusing because otherwise in recent Going Seventeen video, his very close virtual fansigns, V-Live and a few album pictures right now it kinda more or less looks the same as it has with still a lot of soft curves so maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle...

His nose bridge is very perfect atm, I think he did something between fillers and nose surgery as well lol but I cannot guess what for the life.of me....

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1 minute ago, Metrico said:

We've theorized before that he gets a routine threaded nose job which is a demi-permanent procedure that's more substantial than just fillers but far less invasive than traditional resculpting nose jobs (like Joshua, DK) and must be tweaked or redone every few years. Given I believe the had one and or started bridge filler between Pretty U and Aju Nice (his bridge was notably longer in that ice cream photoshoot) it would make sense it might be the next or even third redo touch-up since. It would also explain the very short window of possible healing time, I just think they've been creating way too much content unlike the break where Joshua had his done for him to have gotten something more substantial. So he probably had his laces redone to speak, or maybe an implant + fillers. Having it done right before their show is also kinda common they always seem to freshen things up right before. I'll have to keep looking at his tip...

Very possible i think, i also noticed his nostrils are completely untouched, and i think its smart af idea, with small noses its easy to mess up that area, so tem only playing with bridge is a brilliant move

Otherwise to be honest i dont think he had anything done at pretty u and aju nice, its more of his whole styling getting a change, on the other hand for newer cbs, i think he tried fillers and then threading, and for this time his healing period was very close to cb time thats why we noticed. So, i dont think he started playing around with it that early o.o maybe fillers but never threading o.o

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8 minutes ago, Metrico said:

Hes also been maturing a lot facially, I know that's the generic "he's just getting older!!" excuse but I think it's very obvious and the bridgework contributes to the vibe. I think he may have done some filler on his tip but it's only visible from the side. 

Tbh i will use he was getting older!! reason for previous eras lol, he has startlingly strong baby face predebut and his not naturally occurred facial differences is really easy to see as long as they are more obvious then lets say, filler (which you can see that as well lol) filler to tip might be possible, tho i heard its glaringly obvious for many T^T

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26 minutes ago, BAZISSINO said:

tbh i don't consider veneers as plastic 

They are cosmetic surgery, similar to getting beauty marks taken

Tho veneers I suggest it to no one rip

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17 minutes ago, Wdojcdid8 said:

Curious as to why you wouldn't suggest it. I'm planning on getting veneers in the future cuz I think my teeth are beyond f*cked lol

Because when they shave down your teeth and cover your real teeth with perfectly made porcelain , your real teeth is still there and as time passes they rot to incredible level

I can understand contact lens veneers, but full on is seriously bad aince you continue to feel your real teeth underneath and feel its pain for it

Its better to get your teeth fixed, i would only suggest veneers to people with incredibly horrid teeth

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34 minutes ago, todoripril said:

 

yeri is so funny she looks like before again, her photos on instagram are very badly edited she should fire whoever who is doing that to her and the angles, makeup play a big role too 

 

 

 

Her lip fillers are quite obvious to me o.o I mean just put her past and current pics together and bam!! You can see it

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4 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

 

http://imgur.com/gallery/NINZbMK

http://imgur.com/gallery/OqETCW0

Here's other photos of hers with that same cut on the sides of her mouth (

I was wondering if it was a skin problem or smile lift surgery( since I also have issues of dry skin and have skin cracks sometimes on the sides of mouth)

Maybe @lighterxx can help since they are better at judging plastic surgery.

 

 

I looked up like TONS of pics lmao apparently you guys are also appreciating her on Jimmy cho event a year ago, so it was so hard to find more recent pics omg T^T

That aside I did not see any visible changes BUT I did notice her face slimming down yet her still having a very smooth laugh and lipstick line area, I think a possible filler? That would explain why fans who frequently see her notice a small change but it would not appear obvious like other surgeries. But such surgery is usually done after 30s, she is very young for that, so I assume she lost weight and thought they are very obvious afterwards. Basically if this is the case, its fillers and it fades with time (around 6 months to 2 years, depends on are)

I also looked at nasolabial fold smile line filler, which gives amazing results usually, and its not solely done for age as well. It can make a small change at smile but usually nothing much appear, it basically smooths out your mouth corners to look less deep and give a more soft smile

If you were to ask me (which you did, that's why I'm looking deeply lol) I would say she got nasolabial fold smile line filler, its not permanent as well, I also looked at few GIFs and videos, and she did have a quite a deep smile line, at more and more you can see her smile lines are almost flawless even when she smiles

1, 2 to

3, 4

You can see how much smoother her smile lines became here (tho 1 is not the best example, I put it there to show you how deep they can be)

Edited October 19, 2020 by lighterxx
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25 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:

http://imgur.com/gallery/3NKm7u2

Found another set of photos of her if shows that dry skin(cut from surgery?) Around her mouth.

The question actually came in mind after I saw IOI Yoojung and Dreamcatcher Gahyeon both of whom are 99 liners like me getting the smile lift surgery and it made them look bad imo so I was wondering if Jeongyeon also got it or not .

PS: I've seen many casual Kpop fans saying Jeong is the least attractive Twice member and how she looks manly and it may have an effect on her self-esteem so I'm a bit worried for her given the body dysphoria epidemic in Korea (also cases like Park Bom and Chungha in Kpop itself)

Tbh definitely not a smile surgery I think, smile surgery is very obvious and extremely hard to miss, by now we would be getting 1000 talks a day about she smile if she had it I believe o.o

Its nickname is Joker smile for a reason it just looks so extremely creepy it's hard to miss

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15 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:

Jeongyeon is not that popular I guess.

Even in twice fandom people hardly mention her apart from calling her oppa and noticing her resemblance with various Male Kpop stars.

And her fanbase dropped significantly after she switched to a more feminine fashion style which made me think girls were only stanning her because they saw her as a male figure (and as I've mentioned before Taeyong/Yuta who look like her has way more massive fanbases)

Rip, if it helps Taeyong is so heavily promoted it would be weirder for him to not be popular, so don't be sad comparing her with Taeyong, bcs that would be very unfair ;-;

Otherwise it's a shame considering how talented she is rip, I hope her fanbase get it together bcs its plain sad to Stan someone bcs they are a lookalike

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2 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

Male artistes on whole gets more support than female artistes tbh and that it is infinitely more easier for a boyband to gain attention than a girl band(even a so called girl crush band which serves inspiration to girls).

If I'm not mistaken this is the initial digitals for ggs physicals for bg idea. Before, this was the idea for this theory. Bgs get more dedicated fanbase, in exchange public checks them out less because they assume they are selling themselves (Koreans have a weird mindset about idols). For ggs, they were checked out far more and did better digitally, because both sexes were willing to listen them, instead of only females like bgs. Now, with produce series and BTS this ideal is more or less wrecked apart. That's why, ggs all try to create really really strong fanbases just like bgs do. 

 

2 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

Girls also get it harder to be forgiven after a mistake and it is female fans/consumers themselves who are the most judgemental and harsh.

I think depends on scandals. For something like bullying bgs have alot easier time than ggs. For something like dating, things that can wreck apart bg fandoms, is seen far more calmly with ggs. Imagine Taeyong dating news, similar to Momo. His fandom would eat him raw and he would not be able to promote peacefully ever again unless SM is stubborn about promoting him.

2 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

Even in male bigger bands Many members struggle to find lines and screentime but even the ugliest boyband members find it easier to get fangirls and many do gain fangirls just because "they're underrated".

I wonder if Twice was a male group, Fangirls would have bombarded JYP building with complaints against JY's mistreatment by now and wrote petitions on change.org.

And I think you feel extra sad because you are comparing fandoms. Its something I mistakenly did as well, but every fandom structure is different from each other. For example NCTzens and Blinks go crazy daily about literally at a sight of anything unfair, so don't compare onces with them. Carats took like 4-5 years to ask for more equal lines for Jun, so it definitely depends on what type of fandom it is and what type of idols they are. Twice is type of group that is pretty open, therefore majority of its fandom thinks of going them to first before any type of wish. Its same for us too, we literally @ cheol before objecting anything pledis does. On the other hand BP and NCT talked about company restrictions or unfounded rumours about cbs, lineups so much, their fandom is extra protective against them. Basically fandom nature really really creates a difference in such situations.

I do agree about Jeongyeon getting too few lines tho, which I assume due to structure of their songs and individual member popularity. For ggs individual popularity is everything, so while not doing any solo activities as groups is logical for bgs, its very illogical for ggs. But it seems to be something jyp insists on from what I saw with itzy. 

Lastly I don't mind rants feel free to do so. You are a gg Stan and I'm a bg Stan so our talks will surely be interesting somehow

Edited October 20, 2020 by lighterxx
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2 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:

Though I personally think KPop is eventually going to be restricted more to a female dominated niches instead Of being also catered to a diverse group of horny Men.

So While Female bands will be seen as role models for girls the Boybands will be seen more of a boyfriend material

2)2) there was a time dating news was extremely sensitive piece of info to leak.
Check Minami Minegishi AKB48.

Ptrobably true, females always spend more money, even for game industry, check gacha genres with male characters and female characters versus only female. You will see huge difference in chart performance and its literally affected by only having 2 -3 male characters in whole game. 

I remember minami issue rip, i meant more recent situations, but her case was truly too harsh. 

5 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:

Never really followed Seventeen except Jeonghan so I don't know about that fanbase at all.

I think Pledis is also a smaller company that's why the fanbase is more relaxed.

Its fine, i compared svt since their fandom dynamics are almost gg like, thats why we have alot of boyfriend fans, i see at least 3 boys per fansign bringing wonwoo flowers lol

so no need to know them too well o.o

7 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:

Imo, I understand why some members would get less lines as they might not be as vocally talented but as long as they're compensated elsewhere with screentime/outside solo work it's okay.

Like half of SNSD aka it's dance line was absolute crap when it comes to singing and they received very less lines as well.

But I didn't think it was unfair because most of them were weak singers and also because they were being compensated elsewhere or atleast had sex appeal to draw In male fans enough.

I feel sad for JY because she doesn't get lines/screentime/solo work despite being talented.

Sana I find a filler actually the group can actually do without her but she still gets pushed visually.

Actually sometimes I feel like JY doesn't get much lines because her (deeper) tone doesn't fit Twice's concepts much more than individual popularity.

(she used to be one of the top3 Popular ones when she debuted and was also recognised by GP)  

hm, i think issue lies with jyp rather than fanbase then. even in situations where one member is less popular they let them do something extra, like cover songs once a while, release dance covers or open youtube etc. therefore they get a helping hand maintaning their popularity and maybe increasing it, since kpop groups are all about teamwork, and having too inequal fanbases would result in conflict in fandom. jyp is probably very hesitant still due to Suzy, but i believe it will get better at contract time, after 7 years, companies are known to give alot freer contract terms to idols, so you will see more content from JY (if everything goes correctly). To my belief, if Twice were to be a, idk SM group, they would probably have less issues like this, and more issues about why some members receive too much content when others dont get as much. Then it would be an issue of JY receiving less magazine photoshoot, less ads etc. So, yeah its best ot wait till 7th year, especially considering JY herself is very overwhelmed atm. in the meantime, lack of lines should mean more role in choreo or MV but ugh JYP pretty much sucks at this, i think i only saw Everglow being worse than them rip

which i dont get bcs they are clearly very balanced with Itzy, i guess having less members in such case truly helps. 

thought of something, i think onces can want a unit? with JY in it. Companies dont see those as solo promo, so there shouldnt be any issues, but JYP can be a real bitch at times so you probably know more about it than me. 

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7 hours ago, todoripril said:

i saw tzuyu stans angry these days i didn't know jeongyeon had problems too nnn i feel like onces themselves have favorites in the group not only the company that's why they don't find something wrong 

Ugh that's true, but I saw it as something common considering how akgae filled other fandoms are, but since twice has more members, it truly can create a bias

Edited October 21, 2020 by lighterxx
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5 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:

Akgae fans happen because of mainly disproportionate attention between members and also as seen nowadays, excessive numbers of members as well.

I think only SNSD really didn't have akgae fan problem despite some of its members getting disproportionate amount of lines because those members were also regarded as ugly/untalented and thus liable to be avoided.

Twice's issue is many fans(including me) think that so called less talented members are getting More attention than they deserve.

Like In SNSD Yoona never really got lines and her screentime in videos were also quite limited though she had a lot of outside work and well-regarded by the GP.

And proportionate to her talents people including her fans were satisfied with the amount of exposure she had in the group because they knew her limitations.

But in Twice Tzuyu got lines and screentime right from the start apart from being pushed as Suzy 2.0 which additionally annoyed traumatised solo stans of other members.

Jihyo is one of the least popular members but I haven't seen many being angry on Her being pushed as main vocalist and leader because she's regarded as pretty/pleasant to the eyes Vis a Vis Nayeon whom I suspect gets a lot more brickbats primarily because they don't find her as pleasant on eyes apart from the OTT push the management gives her both musically and visually.

(actually reminds me of the Taeyeon/Tiffany dynamics in late SNSD fandom- people were okay with Taeyeon getting Max lines and screentime but found Tiffany off-putting)

 

I dont think fans would find their bias ugly or untalented. Majority of the fans I saw even has huge belief their bias is most talented. I think it's more of a case of making bias obvious. yooa might not get most lines but she got alot of center or hit lines, therefore allowing her fans to be satisfied. For twice both hit lines and most lines are taken by same people, that's what causes imbalance I believe. 

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9 minutes ago, StanSatan said:

So... why are ya'll talking about talented/ can't sing/akgae and all that in a plastic surgery thread again? Im lost 

... I forgot what thread we are on I'm sorry lol 

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4 minutes ago, todoripril said:

fans attacked us if we said their favs had surgeries that's why we are talking about differences in popularity and akgaes now

Also soshi always were on TV or doing something every member did something and some years ago it was normal if idols had other projects now companies are scared of them becoming too big 

I think onces like nayeon but twice are not rookies anymore and their image is about "ot9 or nothing" but that's far from the truth of the same 3 members always being more pushed while the members who were more popular when they debuted are behind now 

True, their sketches were FAMOUS so no one felt like there is a big difference between members. Now, companies are scared they will escape after being popular, I guess due to more modern contracts (aka not ones that restrict their whole life). For twice... Maybe they can make sub units etc to balance things out? Otherwise ugh its hard to cover such difference... Tho even for sub units people want j unit instead of less popular members for example

I guess for twice work should have been more balanced from the start, 6 years into their career is really too late to change fandom behaviour. 

1 hour ago, UrmiUndone said:

Talking about GP/Casual fans.

Also SNSD is older and from what I've seen had many male fans who were only there for thirsting.

Also SNSD members and management were pretty much clear about their individual limitations so I think fans were also more accepting of the imbalance in line/screentime distribution. SM compensated the members who received less lines with outside solo work.

I think apart from the disproportionate line distribution it is the talent Vs visual issue that also bugs twice. People were upset with Tzuyu receiving more lines because she wasn't deemed as talented and now Nayeon isn't that well liked because she isn't deemed as that pretty.

JY always received the least lines in Twice but earlier she got noticed because she was seen as Amber 2.0 and thus played a role.

Now she switched to a more "feminine" fashion so doesn't have either lines nor play a role which is why she's not getting that much noticed.

 

So we need an overwhelming talent to balance things out? Like for snsd we had clear best vocals, for twice we have Nayeon and Jihyo but both can be better and more powerful

3 minutes ago, todoripril said:

Since we are talking about twice i want to know why nayeon looks different (she is still pretty) but her eyes and lips look bigger  

Fillers tbh, especially her cheek fillers always throws me off. I guess she lost weight and got fillers for them to not change her image, that's why it creates sometimes a bloated feeling. 

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43 minutes ago, fullofjoy said:

I refuse on taking this disrespect to Jeongyeon

She is great tbh ,but her role is not main vocal, so I barely heard her singing long enough for me to have any opinions T^T I blame jyp for that 

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11 hours ago, wap said:

i wonder if companies asks idols to get shit done and how the idols really feel. If you are confident in your nose profile or jaw and they tell to get surgery done, can you really refuse or is it apart of a contract (i am speaking if you already debuted and your looks are liked by gp) I wonder if companies are like do it or leave ? 

To my knowledge their ceo or someone high enough in company suggests. Imagine continued 'suggestions', everytime someone sees you. It differs from company to company, but in general its like this

Also do you think hoshi got fat removal at face guys? He said he is 65 kg but he has 0 cheeks atm, that 65 can be muscle as well tho, so I wanted to ask for opinions

Edited October 23, 2020 by lighterxx

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23 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:

When do you think Renjun did his nose job? From Chewing Gum to Ridin' it was pretty consistent.

To be honest we need more pics of him to determine, as well as most recent so it's best to wait for his CB instead of guessing now o.o 

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1 hour ago, UrmiUndone said:

There's definitely some change in him like his face looks older and puffier and I thought he put fillers.

No fillers (minus his chin he INSISTS on), his face thinned out instead of getting bloated. I also realized he is so tired generally (his eyes are almost always puffy but in a natural way) but I cannot think of anything but cheek fat removal. But the thing is his cheeks sometimes look normal same old same old, but sometimes too thin idk how that happens unless he randomly gets bloated (this happens day to day basis, so unless there is a filler that passes in 1 day, its not ps) idk T^T I'm confused

 

His cheeks here look small^

And his cheeks here look full

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, StanSatan said:

If someone has gotten surgeries on their face,  can they do sports where the ball hits their face or like boxing?

I mean they can but that would be highly dangerous for any heavy sports. For lighter ones, I think time limit is 4 weeks? So you wait 4 weeks to continue your light exercise, but doctors don't suggest heavy sports, unless you want to mess something up accidentally. 

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2 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

I've not met any artist yet whose looks were improved significantly with the use of chin fillers.

Max it made them look the same before and worse, actually degraded their look

One of the most pointless fillers ever

He honestly looks far better without them, I have 0 idea why he insists on those, I guess he feels like he needs sharper features since his features are very very soft (which you can tell better next to that Doyoung selfie he took with!!) I also noticed he has a very small head size (sounds weird I know) so I guess he is more liberate with fillers bcs of that, since no one will hate comment on his head size even if he gets fillers. 

This is the pic^

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59 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:

Doesn't Fillers make your face look even for softer? I remember Nayeon started taking them because she lost weight and her face had risk of becoming too bony so fillers helped soften her face(apparently) for a cuter image.

I think a lot of celebrities take fillers they work so hard the stress reflects on their face and gives them wrinkles so they use fillers to look fresh(er).

 

She doesn't look soft tho, she looks bloated. For hoshi, he is soft looking 24/7 I did not notice any extra softness not gonna lie. This selfie is bit lying lol due to filter, let me link a vid

Like this video (from today) (and oddly his cheeks look less full than yesterday)

 

Its a bit low quality but you can see his features are less soft than his selfie^

Idk what can make such change T^T like ugh he looks full some days and thinned out at others. I thought he got his cheek fat taken but I'm not even sure now bcs it changes literally day per day basis. 

I guess it can be a normal puffyness too, but rip would it create such a day per day change??? What do you think?

Spoiler

These literally have few days differences only

Idk maybe I looked into too many idol pses and now suspect every little change. More I look into more I think it's normal puffyness rip ;-;

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2 hours ago, Simpatico said:

I don't imagine most companies "force" their idols and trainees but as you said there must be a ton of "suggestions". YG has a reputation of being anti-PS but AKMU outright said he "suggested" a nose job for Suhyun.Starship also has a reputation for being anti-PS but I can think of several of their idols who have had PS. For the bigger companies who encourage that sort of thing (or have a plastic surgeon under contract) it must take a lot of willpower NOT to do it. For instance, how many SM idols, aside from Amber and Sulli, historically HAVEN'T had some "work" done of some kind (even if it was probably not their idea)?

If I'm not mistaken almost every known companies gives suggestions and smaller ones literally order instead (they don't have reputation to wreck afterall)

The ones they say are against ps, do it for the sake of their current idols, so they don't get rumours (since it can be a complete wrecking for idols while it's completely fine and normal for actors). Also if I don't misremember Hoshi talked about his CEO suggesting him double eyelid surgery and he struggled alot when making a decision to not have anything afterall bcs svt members themselves said its his best feature, bless members honestly I would hunt CEO down if he did actually get one. (This is such an old thing he mentioned, I couldnt find the source rip T^T you will have to trust me with the story for this one) This from predebut btw, do I imagine they make suggestions when trainees are very young so they are easy to affect...

You saying Amber and Sulli... Did Joy and Seulgi had something? Frankly I didn't pay attention to them so I'm curious o.o

Edited October 25, 2020 by lighterxx

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8 minutes ago, todoripril said:

Irene use the same filter i think her head looks so small in her instagram pictures

There is a snow app setting that makes your jaw miniscule and eyes huge ( I tried its terrifying) 

You can see in videos etc he looks so different, its just his selfies are really untrustworthy lol

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40 minutes ago, Simpatico said:

I mentioned Amber and Sulli because Amber is open about being [personally] not in favor of PS and not having done it (in one her "ranting monkey" vlogs) and Sulli was famously a natural beauty since she was a child. When it comes to RV, Wendy and Irene's PS is sorta obvious when looking at past pictures, though I personally don't see it in the others BUT this thread has pointed out Yeri possibly having a forehead implant, Joy possibly having her inner eyes done (like Taeyeon) and Seulgi possibly having the tip of her nose done (though she still looks the same to me). Now, I'm unsure. So, Amber and Sulli are the only ones from SM I'm absolutely sure about it - SM being the notorious offender of the industry, isn't their having a "Doctor Kim" on the payroll a running joke at this point?

SM is definitely infamous, especially for making really, really unnecessary changes yet make them very noticeable. All big companies have I'm sure a set doctor or clinic to not let privacy concerns wreck apart company but am is especially joked about bcs of this lol