Official Plastic Surgery Thread

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For Enhypen, I think Jay's also had some eye work in addition to the discussed nose job.

The shape of his inner corners seem to have changed. They are more elongated now (extend further inwards) and are "sharper." 

I also think he may have had something done to his double eyelids. In his a lot of his predebuts, he does seem to have double eyelid creases. However, those creases are inconsistent (they aren't there every pic).

Here he was a fairly high crease on both eyes:

Here only on one: 

The double eyelids he has today, on the other hand, don't seem to fluctuate:

Interestingly, they are also lower than the ones he has predebut. (The consistent creases he has now are not fully visible when his eyes are open, unlike the inconsistent ones he used to have):

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3 hours ago, igotaboyonmychin said:

Is it just me or GOT7's Youngjae has been looking a little Jaehyun-ified recently?

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But those are from his Instagram. And if you look at his other latest pictures/video stills, he looks pretty much the same:

So, is it just editing? 

I don’t think it’s just editing? (Though I'm sure editing is a part of it). He looks subtly different to me in this video too:

 

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1 hour ago, good_morning said:

Guys, I’ve recently discovered the boyz for myself and i wonder how natural are they? None of the current members look plastic to me (hwall’s chin/jaw looks kinda weird), is it okay to assume that they are all natural or have done only subtle things? 
 

 

39 minutes ago, igotaboyonmychin said:

TBZ has been discussed several times here. Short summary:

Sangyeon - probably his nose
Jacob - all natural
Younghoon - eyes, nose
Hyunjae - nose fillers
Juyeon - eyes, nose (probably more than once), lip corner surgery
New - jaw shave, nose, possibly eyes
Kevin - chin fillers
Q - looks natural but his jaw is much softer post debut so do what you want with that information
Haknyeon - natural, I guess
Hwall/Hyunjun - nose, chin, obsession with Snow app
Sunwoo - lip fillers
Eric - subtle eyelid and nose surgeries

If I got something wrong, feel free to correct me

I agree though I think Sunwoo's had a nose job (a very well done one in my opinion). Eric's had an alarplasty most likely (he has visible scars from it). Sangyeon I think got double eyelids done (there wasn't a crease visible predebut but there is now). I'm not sure about his nose though. For Juyeon,  I'm pretty sure he only touched his nose once predebut and that the bridge was left alone and only the tip was messed with. I'm still not sold on the lip corner surgery. For Q, I saw some people speculating he had jaw botox and that might explain why his jaw now has a "softer" look than predebut.

For Juyeon's nose:

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The bridge doesn't look changed to me. The only noticeable difference is in the tip. It looks pointer, especially when he smiles.

Looking at his nose through the years, I don't see a drastic changes after the initial work: 

2017:

2018:

2019:

2020:

I couldn't find a good pic from 2021 but his nose still looks the same to me.

 

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1 hour ago, Rei sakuma said:

Not sure if you guys can see this but does the bridge of his nose seems higher and almost wider. I can't find many pictures of him predebut where we see him side profile clearly. But after debut, his nose bridge is almost ridiculously high (I thought he was mixed at first). It looks like a similar kind of implant to Heeseung's.

Might this help? (full side profile predebut)

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1 minute ago, Rei sakuma said:

Yes. He seems to already have a tallish nose bridge before but now it's a lot more obvious. 

You can almost see the implant at his nose bridge. 

I agree. His nose looks higher in profile now. It projects out more, especially around the tip area.

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39 minutes ago, daltsuki said:

yeah that''s gonna be a hard pass lol, you woudn't wanna see that

 

from what i've seen it looks like people naturally have a bump where the nostrils are attached to the cutaneous upper lip and that disapears after surgery, i still have a bump it just appears to be dented so i guess i'll be more careful before saying every single person on the face of the earth had alarplasty, thanks for helping 

The thing is alarplasty scars tend to look shiny as well as red like this or this. I often get red marks under my nose but they are pretty clearly not alarplasty scars rather just irritation of the skin. I can't speak for anyone else's methods, but I have a little checklist when it comes to alarplasty scars. If I see a mark around the rim of the nostril that seems suspicious, I first check to see if its visible in multiple other photos (I also like to try to find instances where the marks look red and instances where they look shiny to make sure they aren't just makeup or irritated skin). If they pass this test, I next check predebut photos for two reasons.

One: to make sure that what I think is an alarplasty scar hasn't been there since childhood/adolescence.

Two: to see if I there was actually any visible difference in the width of the nose. (Even if extremely subtle).

I would only assume someone had an alarplasty if they checked all of these boxes. 

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1 hour ago, Lolly21 said:

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When I started stanning ASTRO I was so surprised to find that Cha Eunwoo (and also the rest of ASTRO ) actually has a booty and great thighs lol! Normally idols are so skinny and flat but Eunwoo body's really nice. Also, in those pics, he had a bit more muscle. He looked HOT. I agree, yes yes

 

Eunwoo is at a healthy weight which honestly isn't super common among idols. He apparently dieted to lose 18lbs predebut and around that time through maybe 2018 he was quite skinny. He's gained weight since then though and revealed he weighed around 73kg which is about 10kg or 20lbs more than his profile says (though it's likely he weighed that around that much at some point.) Moonbin also gained weight since debut and looks to be at a healthy weight now, though he, unlike Eunwoo, hasn't talked about it. Eunwoo honestly used to look a little frail (especially around 2015-6) but now he looks healthy and a lot stronger. I assume working out accounts for some of the changes in his body as well, because he talks about exercise pretty much any chance he gets lol. I honestly applaud Eunwoo for mentioning his real weight after weight gain instead of just letting his profile stand, when Korea has such strict weight standards (especially for women). I hope that he can help normalize being a healthy weight for other idols in the industry.

Honestly, it isn't that uncommon for idols to debut underweight and then gain later into their careers, (especially among male idols who tend to "fill out" and gain muscle). Sehun would be another example of this, and like Eunwoo, I think his looks were only enhanced by being at a healthy weight. This makes sense given humans are attracted to "health" or at least the appearance of it is a major factor in human attraction. 

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9 hours ago, Rei sakuma said:

Any opinions on this?

2021

2017

Remember when we speculating about something happening to his chin? I don't think much has changed honestly apart from the obvious. 

I think these might not be the best pictures to compare. One's a teaser photo so most certainly edited and it's also a close up which distorts features (it makes the nose look bigger for one). The angle is different as well and so are his facial expressions. Better pictures to compare would be more candid ones taken at the same angle and at similar distances from the camera with matching facial expressions. 

Here are some pics that match (more or less):

I hope these are helpful!

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2 hours ago, likeafever said:

Also, what do y'all think about Enhypen's Sunoo? Some ppl said he's had work done on his nose, and some ppl said it's just puberty/weight change. I know a lot of Enhypen members had surgery, but Sunoo is one of the younger members, so I really hope he didn't have any. 

Some predebut photos:

During i-land (their survival show):

Now:

 

 

1 hour ago, Naija1 said:

Yeah, Sunoo is a mistery for me. His nose doesn't look Korean but he is so young. I want to believe it's natural but something tells me that not.

I'm pretty sure he's done his nose. The shape of the bridge has changed. It used to be slightly hooked. Now it's a ski-slope.

Also keep in mind that yes, though he is very young, plenty of idols get work done at his age (he's 17). It just happens predebut so we aren't as attuned to how young they were when they had their procedures.

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2 hours ago, likeafever said:

Hi, I usually just lurk here. I'm curious which idols do y'all think haven't done any work? Or at least 90% sure they haven't 

I'm probably biased but I'd say quite a few members of SF9 seem natural. Namely, Zuho, Chani, and Taeyang. Astro's Moonbin and JinJin also seem natural as well as WJSN's Eunseo. Somi seems like she may be natural also. I hope that helps : )

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14 minutes ago, likeafever said:

This makes me really sad and disappointed with BH. After looking at more pics, I noticed that a lot of Enhypen share the "ski-slope" you mentioned. There was a post here about Sunghoon, and I really liked his old nose.

When I got into Kpop at first, I became an ARMY and honestly thought that BTS never had work done because a lot of ARMY praised them for that. It shocked that they did, but I can't really blame them, considering the industry. What I did like though was that they at least kept their unique features. Like by just looking at their noses, you can tell them apart. It really sucks that BH is trying to make Enhypen share similar features, especially when they're so young. They deserve time for healthy facial development...

I honestly feel the same way. I think BH is becoming like the new SM when it comes to PS (tho SM is still going strong, ofc). It's like they just slapped the same nose on every member without considering their facial structure or trying to preserve their uniqueness whatsoever. (Not to mention how young they are. They haven't even fully grow into their faces yet). Pretty much every Enhypen nose job was unnecessary in my opinion and only succeeds in making the members look more generic. The only one I'm a fan of is Jay's because I think it's harmonious with his other features. Heeseung's is gratingly obvious and Sunghoon's and Sunoo's look sort of out of place on their faces. Jake's was just plain pointless. He had a very nice (and honestly close to ideal) nose to begin with. Sunghoon's and Sunoo's original noses weren't cookie cutter but I think they fit their faces much better than the ones they have now. The only point I'll give BH is that they don't have SM's obsession with v-lines (thank god).

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5 minutes ago, tafattsbarn said:

Please use another photo for the after comparison, preferably not from a photoshoot at all, but especially not from that particular shoot. Those photos are known to be heavily edited/photoshoppped, to the point where an ENHYPEN member (Jungwon) even commented on it. 

Sure.

His nose bridge has still visibly changed.

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27 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

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There is Svt Scoups, Woozi, Vernon, Jun, Wonwoo (?) if you don't count minor to ignorable procedures Mingyu (Forehead or Hair Transplant) , Hoshi (fillers, Veneer (possibly contact lens ones) ...

Maybe we should try to make a list

 

Edit: seeing sf9 and treasure, maybe idols chosen via streetcasting or via their looks from the start are less likely to touch up anything? 

I think a list is a great idea! For SF9 and treasure, street casting may be part of it, but I think an interesting point to bring up is involvement in the industry since a young age. Both Chani and Moonbin (Astro) were child actors and Yedam was on kpop star as a child. Junkyu was also a child model though it looks like he may have had some work done. 

This is baby Chani with baby Moonbin. So adorable:

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1 minute ago, tafattsbarn said:

 

I wasn't making a case against him having done plastic surgery (i'm inclined to believe he did), i just think the photo you chose is a very poor one since it's a shoot that is known to be heavily edited/photoshopped. 

I think you meant to quote me and it's fine! I picked that pic quickly, not realizing it was from a photoshoot.

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25 minutes ago, loveablejoy said:

And his nose tip too....(?)

Yeah the nose tip changed too. Probably an implant placed over the top of his nose which changed the slope of his bridge and made the tip project out more and appear pointier. There may have been some tinkering done with the tip in addition to the implant to sharpen it more.

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2 hours ago, Lolly21 said:

Eyelids clipped? I was not aware that was a procedure, wow. Thank you. But that is the purpose? His eyes look very much the same to me...

It's when the eyelid crease is deepened to make it more prominent. There are a fair number of idols who seem to have had it done but I'm not sure about Eunwoo. His eyelids do seem deeper to me in pic @Kami the II. provided, but I think that might just be due to differences in the resolution of the photos. In other pics I honestly don't see much of a difference.

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2 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

I would actually say JH is somewhere between 173-175 cm. There was a photo of him with Rose in flat shoes and he looked barely taller than her. I have to say this (since I was the one who kinda triggered that argument)  a lot of the kpop idol heights for both genders are added to and I would say are altered on the basis of what image the companies want their idols to have. Like a lot of female idols who are  meant to be the visuals usually have height added to their profiles especially if they are going for the model/goddess/elegant image.

I am not a VIP but there was massive discussions when I first used to lurk around OH, Hallyuplus, netizenbuzz, couple of pann translation websites, Allkpop that part of the reason BIGBANG members have massive height discrepancies is because they wanted to project TOP as the handsome actor member but he was much shorter despite having an ideal face so they made him 6' despite him being around 5'8" only. And then they had to add INCHES to other members too.

Actually, I would say the same case happened to Jaejoong from TVXQ as well- his official height is 180 cm but from all the stuff I have seen of him (and I suspect he was wearing shoelifts as well) and judging from his body proportions in videos as well as unedited photos captured from distance, he seems to be around 5'8"(still tall for an Asian though).

SM definitely wants Jaehyun to be their actor member from NCT and I would say the height added is partly because of the image they want to project and well they can fake it partly because the target audience mostly consists of people who would not really care if he isn't 180 because they are themselves way shorter.

About the other members of NCT, I think Yuta and other 174-176 cm members are actually around 170-173 cm. I have seen photos of Yuta and Taeyong with Eunhyuk who is actually 170cm and they were all of the same height.(And I take them wearing shoelifts all the time anyways) Body proportions wise Taeyong atleast seems to be realistically around 168-170(my dad has similar body proportions and he is 170) cm. Confused about Mark's height since he looks taller than how he should be(so I kinda initially believed his profile height) but he doesn't look that tall from TY. Maybe he just has long legs. 

Height is not really something I'm used to speculating about lol but I would say that proportions aren't really a good way to judge how tall someone is. I know kibbe body typing was mentioned on this thread a little while ago, and I don't want to confuse anybody, but basically, there are ranges of heights for each body type but they people of that type all LOOK around the same height and that's what matters. (They have similar proportions). For example, I'm around 173cm or 5ft8 but if someone were to see a picture of me they would probably put me at around 5ft6-7. I actually have similar proportions to Krystal Jung despite being significantly taller than her.

Having a big head in proportion to one's body is something that makes them look shorter than they are (the number of heads tall they are aka the golden ratio shrinks). This doesn't necessarily mean though that someone with a big head is short. It just means they look short, if that makes sense. There are plenty of people for whom the opposite is true (they have smaller heads in proportion to their bodies and therefore look taller than they are).

I don't doubt Jaehyun is shorter than 180cm (honestly I suspect that most idols put at exactly 180 are actually slightly short of it and the companies are just rounding up to meet the standard.) For Rosé, namuwiki says she's 169cm or about 5ft7. This is a 5ft7 - 5ft10 height difference compared to Rosé's and Jaehyun's height difference:

I'd say it looks pretty similar (Jaehyun is tipping his head slightly.) If Rosé is really 5ft7, I'd give Jaehyun 5ft10 or around 178cm. I wouldn't say he's barely taller than her, it looks like a solid three inches between them to me. There definitely isn't a five inch height difference though. Jaehyun is only 5ft11 or 180cm if Rosé is 5ft8 which I highly doubt. Also btw - 5ft8 isn't tall for a Korean man. It's about average.

2 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

That said, do you guys think a girl having the same height and other measurements like chest, shoulders, collarbone etc looks bigger than a guy who has the exactly same height and measurements? I have a female friend who is 5'8" and she is perceived as very large and thus masculine and threatening while another male common friend of ours who has the exact height and similar measurements to her is actually seen as small. 

For this question, I would say yes. A girl with the same measurements and same height as a man would look bigger than him. This all has to do with proportions. For example, men have broader shoulders on average than women so shoulders that are broad for a woman wouldn't be broad for a man. Typically, If a woman has shoulders equally broad to a man's than she has broad shoulders for a woman and he has narrow shoulders for a man, making her seem bigger than him even if they're technically the same size. She's just bigger within her own build. The same goes for height. I hope that was helpful and not too confusing lol  : )

Also - some idols actually lie about their height to seem shorter. Like most of SF9 lol. I can't count the number of times Rowoon has "shrunk."

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53 minutes ago, loveablejoy said:

I'll say Jeongyeon & Chaeyoung (TWICE)

I used to think so too but it looks like Jeongyeon has had an epicanthoplasty as well as fillers and Chaeyoung may have had a jaw shave. They were discussed a little while back. 

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21 minutes ago, loveablejoy said:

Despite that Jeongyeon is 90% natural as it only eye surgery & fillers (which will fade over time)

I don't see Chaeyoung jaw shave at all

I copy and pasted in the old posts about her. 

This was the original post:

 

  On 3/17/2021 at 1:47 AM, zhvero said:

Wait twice chaeyoung? She's had a jaw shave, her jaw goes right up to her ear 

 

This was my response:

I definitely see where you're coming from, but I think it's important to look at more than just current pictures and whether or not a jaw looks "suspicious" when determining whether or not someone has had a jaw shave. Jaws come in all shapes and sizes and though yes, her jaw does look like a lot of shaved jaws, I wouldn't decide that automatically means she's shaved her jaw without further evidence. 

Chaeyoung's jaw has been the same throughout her time active, starting with Sixteen in 2015:

  

  

On sixteen Chaeyoung was literally sixteen lol, and, well she may have already had a jaw shave at this point, her age makes it less likely. However, if looking at her predebuts I saw a large change in her jaw, I would think that she did shave her jaw despite her age.

Just for reference - In the gif above you can see Somi's jaw as well. Now, Somi was only fourteen here so I'm pretty sure this is her natural jaw, yet her mandible angle isn't prominent. It's high and fairly close to her ear, but present, unlike Chaeyoung's.

Looking at Chaeyoung's predebuts, I don't see a drastic change in her jaw from the front. However,  in most of the pic I could find, she was pre-pubescent and the jaw strengthens as you grow up.

Based off this predebut pic, I do see a difference. This makes me think she did shave her jaw, but without more pics of her as a teen and any side profile shots, I can't be sure.

All the other pics of her as a teen I could find are from after she joined the company:

She's quite young in these (15-16), but I think that if she shaved her jaw, she'd already done it here

Please know I am not trying to shut you down whatsoever. I think I may actually agree with you in Chaeyoung's case. All that I'm saying is jaws vary and determining whether or not someone has had a jaw shave is often not as simple as just looking for whether or not they have a visible mandible angle (tbh I kinda wish it was). How the jaw looks from the front is determined by the length of the jawbone and how steeply it is angled. A higher mandible angle means a steeper jaw and therefore a move v-like appearance from the front. Most natural v-lines occur from a high mandible angle (steep jaw) and a long mandible or jaw bone. For example, Sehun:

This make the face look longer overall. 

Chaeyoung, on the other hand, has a relatively short jawbone, so to have a v-shape from the front, her jaw needs to be extremely steeply angled, and it is:

(She looks like Jisoo in this pic but I swear it's Chaeng).

Because Chaeyoung's jaw bone is naturally on the shorter side, to create a v-line, her surgeon (if she had a jaw shave) had to make her jaw drastically steeper which is why the mandible angle kind of disappeared. Karina, Wendy, and Sejeong are similar cases. 

I hope that's helpful! I didn't want to have to retype everything again. 

 

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1 hour ago, UrmiUndone said:

Is it true Rowoon is 193? 

He's definitely in that ball park, though the tallest he's admitted to is 190.5 cm I think. Before that he was saying 189 then he admitted to actually being 190.5 before he taking it back and saying 187cm. (Like anyone buys he shrunk 4cm pls). Apparently some fans calculating height based on his weight and his body fat percentage (which he revealed) say he's around 190cm. He seems to be in that range compared to Lee Jaewook (187cm):

I'd say he's 190cm at minimum and 193cm at maximum

1 hour ago, UrmiUndone said:

Frankly speaking most Tall idols don't lie about their height, especially the new ones.

I actually am not sure I agree that tall idols don't lie about their height. Sungyeol did (said he was 180cm but is actually 183). Astro's Sanha is definitely taller than 184cm and Sowon is over 172. Some people think Johnny has subtracted a few cm (and I wouldn't be surprised if he has). Tzuyu as well. People think she's 172-3cm but she stands by 170. Rowoon obviously has been less than truthful and Taeyang (SF9) has never updated his height but is pretty clearly around 183cm now compared to officially 181cm at debut. I'm sure there are other idols too but these are just the ones that came to mind. It is true that 4th gen idols may be more honest - tall women like Monday and Aisha for instance.

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1 hour ago, Lolly21 said:

What about NCT Jeno? I think he is so attractive and he has some unforgettable features (his chin, lips and bone structure). I don't think he has fillers though... 

Ah yes Jeno. He's one of the most natural members of Dream and definitely of NCT as a whole. I honestly can't find any changes in his face that look surgical:

The only real differences are in his bone structure, specifically his jaw and cheeks bones, which look more prominent, but that's a pretty normal result of puberty. I'd say he seems natural unless someone else catches something I'm missing.

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1 hour ago, UrmiUndone said:

His epicanthic folds are cut and I would say pretty deeply.

I respectfully disagree. The shape of his eyes really hasn't changed. The only difference is the resolution:

When trying to detect an epicanthoplasty you have to look very closely at the eyes and their shape. Look at Taeyong's inner corners. They go in the same amount and are equally pointed. The same amount of tear duct is visible too, it just looks shadowy in the first pic due to low resolution. Ironically, his epicanthic folds are actually more visible in the after picture than the before.

To this day, Taeyong's epicanthic folds are very intact:

Given I don't see a change in his eye corners or epicanthic folds from predebut to the present I would say no epicanthoplasty for him.

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17 hours ago, plastichearts said:

does anyone know what jungwoo did? recently saw this picture and thought he looks basically unrecognizable now 

There was a post about him from a little while ago but I can't find it lol so I'll just give my take.

(Sorry if the pics aren't a perfect match lol. Man literally never has the same facial expression twice.)

I think he's had his natural double eyelids, which were uneven and hidden, deepened and evened out. The creases are now more prominent than they were before and they seems to sit slightly higher. He also seems to have had an epicanthoplasty. His inner corners have changed shape. They're less sharp and narrow now and more rounded and open, which makes his eyes over all look bigger. There's also some warping of the skin around his inner corners in some pics which is a telltale sign of an epicanthoplasty. I'm on the fence as to whether or not he had work done on his nose, but I'm starting to think his nose does look more defined, especially through the tip. The bridge looks like it may be have been raised slightly too but I can't really say for sure without predebut side profile pics to compare (which I unfortunately couldn't find). I do think he's been going in with the fillers lately though. His face is looking a lot fuller than it used to.

I hope that helps!

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25 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:

Sungchan definitely did some thing in his v-line. Jawline especially in men tend to get more stronger actually. Here his jaw has gotten narrower which is not possible.

I’m actually not sure his jaw looks narrower but if it does, that’s mostly likely do to masseter Botox, not a jaw shave, because the bone hasn’t changed.

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6 hours ago, kingfei said:

I agree with your theories. However, my opinion it looks like he’s had some fairly apparent work on his nose bridge and tip.

I think I agree. His nose does look more defined through the tip. I think it's likely the bridge was raised, but without predebut pics of his side profile to compare I can't really say for sure. Just now I edited my post basically saying the same thing. Thanks for pointing it out : )

6 hours ago, kingfei said:

The second image seems to have been “quality enhanced” with an AI such as Remini? Not the best for checking out details.

Oh interesting. It may be. Here's a better comparison then:

 

 

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