Official Plastic Surgery Thread

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Just now, UrmiUndone said:

Who is he?

Enhypen's jake. Initially I thought he was one of the natural members but I'm having second thoughts.

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31 minutes ago, meeeplet said:

Might this help? (full side profile predebut)

Yes. He seems to already have a tallish nose bridge before but now it's a lot more obvious. 

You can almost see the implant at his nose bridge. 

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6 hours ago, meeeplet said:

I agree. His nose looks higher in profile now. It projects out more, especially around the tip area.

Damn Bighit left no one untouched. I have a feeling they're gonna do something to Jungwon's nose next. Why do they hate normal looking noses? have they not learn their lesson with how ungodly Taehyun's and Heeseung's noses turned out?

Edited May 6, 2021 by Rei sakuma

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24 minutes ago, daltsuki said:

i have been a lurker on this thread for months and i finally decided to make an account because i have something i'm confused about:

i've never had surgery but i have marks on the bottom of my nostrils that look like it, i always used those marks to confirm wether an idol had a nose job or not but now that i see them on me i'm very f*cking confused i don't remember having alarplasty... somebody help

It depends on the placement of those marks and the visibility of it. For people who have had surgery, there marks are quite prominent and can appear to look red (like scars) in some angles.

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11 minutes ago, loveablejoy said:

At first I couldn't pinpoint what he did exactly. The only thing I saw was that his nose was smaller & narrower. But now that I have looked at it. It seems he had a tip reduction & brought in his nostrils. I think he also gotten a nose implant. The overall shape of his nose hasn't changed but it's smaller. 

And base on his predebut pics I think he got it before I-Land. 

Great observation. He still looks similar to predebut but with a more touched up vibe. So now we got 5/7 members with nose jobs. I think that’s one of the highest percentage in kpop. 

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2 hours ago, EmptyWaterBottle said:

I don't know about one of the highest percentages in Kpop, nose jobs seem to be pretty common, especially considering that there are multiple different procedures and things you can do to your nose to change it, some being subtle changes that are hard to spot

You're right. It's just that all of Enhypen's work is glaringly obvious. I've never seen a kpop group before where I can instantly tell most of the members had work done even without looking at their predebut pictures (Aespa is an exception here). Usually you would have one or two member with obvious work done but none are on Enhypen's level. 

I think its also to do with the type of implant/nose shape they go for. Enha's noses are all so unnatural looking and obvious. For example, if I never saw 127's JH and DY's predebut picture, I would probably think their noses are natural. that has never happened to me with Enhypen. I could tell from first glance that Heeseung's and Sunghoon's noses are "plastic". 

It's like BigHit wants everyone to know that they invest in their idols

Edited May 6, 2021 by Rei sakuma

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4th/3rd gen nose job counter

1. Enhypen - 5/7

2. Txt - 3/5 

3. Aespa - 4/4? I'm not sure if Giselle got one

4. Gidle - 3/6

5. Nct 127 - 4-5/10

6. dream - 1/7

7. BP - 4/4

8. Astro - 2/6

9. stayc - ?

10. purple kiss -  /

11. Itzy - 2/5

I'm counting older groups in this because the younger members are the same age as the members in the newer groups now. (i'm doing noses because that seems the most common type of surgery apart from the eyes but that can be debated whether eyelid surgery is a big deal or not). 

 Would you say that the newer gen have more/less surgery compared to the older gen? I've seen this questioned asked before and people always say that the newer gen are more natural (they usually always bring up Girls Generation as an example) but I'm not sure this is true. I think the surgeons are just getting better and the work done looks less obvious.  

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13 hours ago, tafattsbarn said:

I'm not a delusional stan, i genuinly didn't think Jake had done anything on his nose. It was just my opinion, but of course since it didn't agree with the rest of the thread i got clowned to hell and back lol. I know a lot of enha members have had work done (sunghoon + heeseung are my biases for gods sake, they've got two of the easiest to spot through before/after comparison nose jobs i've seen in a long time), i just didn't think so in Jake's case based on the pictures and comparisons i had previously seen. 

After the photos @loveablejoy provided i'm more inclined to think he did get his nose done, it was just that the first person didn't make a good case for it. 

I don't care if they got ps or not, i've gotten ps myself in the past. Not everyone that disagrees are a delusional stan ffs. 

Anyways, i'll go back to lurking on this thread instead of engaging so it doesn't matter. 

No please don't feel bad. I'm one of the person who contributed to the whole enhypen surgery talk (perhaps I'm the one you mentioned who didn't make a good case?) and even I thought at first that Jake got nothing done. I'm sure a few people on this thread remember that i made a whole post talking about how jake is natural (Strangely though, I didn't get clowned at all for that). You didn't seem irrational at all. The point of this thread is to discuss with each other and not everyone will be right.

You are definitely not one of those delusional stans that visit this thread. We have a few of those now and then.

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20 hours ago, ahrufue said:

By nose job, do you mean adding implant to the nsoe, or just any surgical changes to the nose when ur referiring to the groups who have done nose jobs in your kpop counter. In my opinion I think giselle got a nose job making her nose bridge a bit higher, becuz if you compare her predebut pics to her nose now, it looks higher, although she naturally had a good level of nose bridge, ig she enhanced it a little by making it more refined looking, since it looks also less wider than her old pics or that could be due to makeup shading technique. I tried to not use pics of her smiling big or stretching her face becuz the nose can look wider to the illusion of the expressions.

Her predebut pic here looks less projected

Here is another predebut pic, her nose starts a bit low then protrudes out, like a slope but its not the kpop classic high bridge ski slope nose. 

 Now compare to her after debuting pictures below

Here, although Ik lighting and makeup can also do some stuff and that the camera filming this has a softening filter to it, her tip seems more protruding/her bridge seeming more prominent than before, I'll show some more so you can see.

 

Though I do know that it is quite hard to spot some of her surgeries, becuz her surgeries look very natural or fitting of her face which blends in compared to the rest of aespa although they're all very dollified and beautiful, so I would understand if some fans say its due to makeup and lighting for giselle. But imo I think it was rather noticeable for mje cuz her nose looked protruding and straighter(which would be the implant added to raise the bridge slightly making it that way)  in the debuted pics compared to the old pics.

 

Imo Giselle looks the best out of Aespa (sue me for this but i love her look).

She trained for such a short time (I believe 8ish months, shortest for an sm female trainee). Most of it must have been recovering from the surgeries, I can't imagine the pain lmao (I have a low pain tolerance). I assume that she had all her surgeries at once (jaw, nose, etc) since it's just more convenient for the company to do. I wonder how does she train during that period? or does she not?

When I got my eyelids done, it took me about 15 days to heal (stiches off, less swollen) and even after that my doctor told me not to do any extreme exercise or tug on my skin too much. The time it takes to heal from a nose job and jaw shave is significantly longer considering they use harder medicine and more facial muscles are disturbed. I doubt the girls are doing obstacle courses floor - is - lava type of training in the sm building but still. I couldn't imagine having to sing and dance for hours a week after I got my whole face reconstructed. 

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I have a question I've been thinking about for a while now and I'm wondering if ya'll can help me.

What is considered a long face? is it in relation to a person's overall height/stature or is it just the face itself? I've seen some people with "longish" faces but their features are spread out nicely which makes it less obvious examples I can think of is olivia hye from loona and jaehyun from nct (with ps of course). 

Obvious cases of people with long faces are rose and some girlies from Gfriend but I've also heard some strange ones.

For example, I've heard people say that Jisoo (bp) and jake (enha) have "longish" faces.

But honeslty in her case I think it's just take compared to her body proportions, her face looks longer?

For jake I can kinda see it but I also think its due to his square jaw and shorter height.

^ honestly in this pic, his jaw compares to SH looks really long.

Idk though, what do you consider to be a long face? and is there any other aspects to it outside of just the face?

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10 minutes ago, igotaboyonmychin said:

I've seen some people speculate she came to SM with her plastic surgery already done but I'm not sure if I like this theory. But yeah, there's no way she could train while recovering 

But isn't there a video of her singing in high school and at that time she was fully natural. She joined sm a 6-12 months after graduating and I highly doubt she would have time for that. It's possible though but I would say unlikely.

also didn't her friends said that she deleted her social medias after joining sm? this makes it sound more like a spontaneous decision that a planned one. 

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3 minutes ago, Owlet said:

I'd say if your face is noticeably longer than it's wide, then your face would be considered long.

Especially if the top half of your face (forehead, cheekbones) have the same width as your jaw, like it all follows one straight line and while the forehead is possibly just as wide as the rest of the face, it's probably also the "biggest" part on your face in terms of height. 'Cause usually the "ideal" facial proportions are when the forehead, middle of the face (eyes + nose) and lower face (mouth + jaw + chin) are all equal to 1/3 of your overall face length.

I know a bunch of people hate having a longer face since it can give you the "horse face" effect that Sarah Jessica Parker is known for having but STAYC's Yoon has a long face as well and she looks stunning, like way above average in terms of visuals in K-pop. 

Oh yes Yoon is stunning. but her bangs are definitely making her face appear smaller. Her facial features are also so perfectly spread out over her face. They really fills up her face nicely. Is it just me or does she have a squarish jaw shape too? I don't really get why these features are seen as unattractive. personally, i prefer strong jaws.

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Any opinions on this?

2021

2017

Remember when we speculating about something happening to his chin? I don't think much has changed honestly apart from the obvious. 

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4 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

I really don't want people to get angry but I feel like Jaemin will end up to be one of those guys who looked good when they were young and then started to look uncanny. Is it because the filler overdose he gets on? I think he is really good looking but the more he grows up I feel like his looks won't fit him when he is in mid-20s and beyond

Not saying that he looks old but Jaemin definitely has classic features which sometimes make him look mature. He has the face pallete of someone in their mid 20s tbh. The styling choices are also not the best for him. His hairstyle and makeup in MAW and Ridin' does not flatter him that much. He'll definitely look less uncanny without sm's styling choices lmao.

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18 hours ago, meeeplet said:

I think these might not be the best pictures to compare. One's a teaser photo so most certainly edited and it's also a close up which distorts features (it makes the nose look bigger for one). The angle is different as well and so are his facial expressions. Better pictures to compare would be more candid ones taken at the same angle and at similar distances from the camera with matching facial expressions. 

Here are some pics that match (more or less):

I hope these are helpful!

wow Jaemin really does have a naturally weak mandible angle. Thank you for these pictures. It really seems like he had his nose touched up multiple times. What kind of nose shape are they going for? Cause even now he doesn't really have the typical sm nose. 

also did he straighten his teeth?

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15 minutes ago, good_morning said:

sis needs to chill with snow app or wtv she uses to edit her pics, i barely recognized her

Is this kim chaewon????

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4 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

tzuyu i think... 

oh lol something about the hair and lips reminded me of her. It could also just be the photo angle. But if that's tzuyu, she definitely looks different.

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2 minutes ago, likeafever said:

 

Istg if they start turning their idols into bicycle seats...

nah don't worry, bicycle seats head are definitely SM's thing. I mean, have you seen their idols? SM really likes that jaw shape.

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4 minutes ago, itsokayman said:

I've been reading back logs of this thread and I have to say, the height debate is quite interesting. I wanted to add this picture because I feel like it really proves that there is no way he is 180 cm tall.

He must be at the most 177 cm. He looks so small in this pic.

Yuta is said to be around 175 ish and there is definitely not a 5 cm difference between them.

man I loved this argument too. Like at first when jungwoo was added, he said he was 180 cm tall and you can already see that even at that point he was taller than jae. After his hiatus, he grew taller and now I believe he is around 183 ish (mainly because he isn't as tall as johnny yet). 

 

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wait if jae is 177 then that means tae and haechan must be even shorter.

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6 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

Not my info read from twitter so:

Suga-163-165

J-Hope, Jimin-168-170

Jungkook and V-173

Jin-176

RM-180

RM is the only one whose height matches his profile one though

Jungkook's 173cm, if true, is really obvious here.

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30 minutes ago, Nanamie said:

Taeyong "L" shaped jaw predebut : 1,  Vs. Taeyong L line now : 1. 

Read again, no one ever said Taeyong never had fillers or was the most natural idol in the the industry, in fact i quoted an older comment mentioning he probably had fillers and fat grafts at some point. What some of us are disagreeing with is him having done invasive surgeries. 

You are wrong when you say Taeyong has a V-line, he doesn't, what he has is called a L shaped jaw which isn't ideal for korean beauty standards because it's too strong/angular. It's a good thing he didn't shave it off to have a jaw like Sungchan's. 

Idk what you mean by reduced space between eyelids and eyebrows, it can happens when eyebrows are drawn thicker but i don't see the big difference :  1  Vs  2 ? 

Sungchan always had a smooth mandible and weakish jawline tho? I think it was mentioned here a couple of months ago. He has one of those jaws that sm loves to give to their idols.

The nose job, however, is quite obvious.

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3 hours ago, wap said:

how much is ps in korea? i can't imagine broke idols getting fillers and botox frequently 

I looked it up and prices for surgery in america is seriously expensive. When I got my eyelids done I paid around 1,800 usd and i went to an expensive doctor. You can easily get invasive surgery for much less here. 

Damn the average nose job price in the us is 10,000 dollars.

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4 hours ago, bye-bye said:

Treasure Junghwan

Before:

 

After:

 

I hope it's just nose fillers because he is literally 16

is this recent?!? i hope they won't change Haruto next. Treasure gave me hope for the fourth gen with their natural noses.

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55 minutes ago, Sandarella said:

So im really confused about BlackPink's real heights....like Jennie and Jisoo mostly cuz Jisoo's official height is shorter than Jennie but in some photos Jisoo looks taller than Jennie when they both are wearing the same shoes...

What's Jennie's real height as well as Jisoo? are they both the same height?

some photos: https://imgur.com/W2Lt4ui

https://imgur.com/t1wLiGN

https://imgur.com/mpkeXjm

https://imgur.com/OdANLuB

Jisoo is in blue shirt while Jennie in the dress

https://imgur.com/T3RtDkl

https://imgur.com/57bUhqf

 

^ here jisoo seems to be leaning forward a bit

^ they look more or less the same height (although maybe they were insoles to the airport too?)

Honestly I always thought jennie was the shortest in blackpink not jisoo but they seem to be in the same range (i'd say 163ish if the calculations about rose's height (170) is true, if not I would put them shorter around 160 ish).