Official Plastic Surgery Thread

[Nctyleggo]

51 minutes ago, ningdior said:

hello im been looking at this thread for a couple days and its kinda been cool seeing all the things idols get but how do they like recover from their esp when they are trainees cause i heard it takes a longs time to recover from things like a jaw shave or nose job, do they just stop training until they are recovered enough to go back to practice  (honestly idk if anyone on here has an answer to this but i just wanted to ask  )

It‘s an interesting question I‘ve found myself pondering over as well. For idols that have already debuted they tend to get the major changes in their hiatus period, but there are many other things like fillers and botox that are pretty much on-the-go. For trainees, I honestly have no idea, I can‘t really fathom a set-to-be dancer of a group getting a nosejob and skipping weeks or even months of practice just like that, but for trainees there might be that early uncertainty of debuting and most changes are done during this period in order to increase their chances (this has been revealed by ex trainees and idols themselves). It‘s also true that many of them spend years training, so what‘s a couple of months of unavailability in exchange for a lifelong result that will bring profit for a relatively extended period of time? I suppose idols don‘t get anything major when they are set to debut because... well, they‘re set to debut and they’ve probably undergone all the major changes their companies demanded from them. 

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1 minute ago, SepiaSkies said:

These days I follow mostly SM artists, and when I think about how so many of them had jaw shaves, especially their main vocalists, I truly cannot fathom why they're putting themselves through this. Everyone who's had that procedure done says they couldn't open their mouths properly for several months, which is like essential when you're singing lol. Sure, botox exists, fillers exist, but a lot of these changes are obviously permanent and surgical so like...how. 

 

Because Kpop (and I‘m not talking about the Western music industry, which can be quite lookist in its own crontrived way) is 70% looks. At the very least. Visuals are one of the if not THE major appeal. If you are going to spend time watching fanciful choreographies and whack MVs, they‘ll go in much easier if they star ridiculously attractive people, and since it‘s Korea most of them are catering to, it‘s the Korean standard of beauty they‘ll have to adapt to. And, as much as it hurts to say it, vocals don’t even matter anymore. Gone are the days when companies cared to scout and polish a Solji, Hyolin or Kyuhyun and when vocalists with what were considered to be B-tier visuals according to the general opinion were extremely hyped up and talked about because they could actually sing, and by that I mean proper technique and shit, not just decently stable with a “unique tone". Sure there are some nice vocalists, but unless they’re noticeably attractive or have any other appeal to account for (be it variety or getting some miserable article lines for a glamourous body, or whatever, and that’s on counted occasions), it just doesn’t cut it. That’s why I love the songs from the old days and particularly the ones from the Sexy Concept Groups (as dark a period as it may have been). My God, the vocals were bomb more often than not.

 

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2 hours ago, redflavor_ said:

i'm honestly quite shocked that jhope managed to still look like himself after all the procedures he had done. he was a very good looking guy before he started getting surgeries so i always wondered what pushed him to get so much stuff done. 

 

Totally agree, with other idols you basically have to double-check to know it‘s them, with J-Hope, he‘s looked the same since forever and yet completely different every year. 

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1 hour ago, lighterxx said:

High but not too high. I would say around %45? Including unpopular and unknown idols too ofc. It gives almost a waxy look at times, so usually popular idols don't touch it unless they are established and don't care. Unless they have freckles tho. If they have freckles they use skin whitening to get rid of them. 

Skin whitening is more of a Chinese celebrity thing, but I can't comment on Korean actors, only idols. 

We can't know the exact percentage tho, from plus side it is something that helps bad skin condition something most idols suffer from. 

Not to talk about Kfansites whitewashing the nose out of their pics + the 7 tone lighter foundation

[Nctyleggo]

48 minutes ago, Angelica_mochi said:

I think someone earlier in this thread had said something about Itzy's Yeji having a nose job and at first i definitely agree. I saw a lot of changes in the base of her nostrils, it seems smaller. but i wonder could it just be because of fillers and photo editing?

however, i also came across this photo of her barefaced and i thought it looked really similar to her predebut's.

 

predebut

i see a change but im not fully convinced yet that she's had a nose job. Can someone please clear this up for me?

 

It‘s a selfie, the front camera lens distorts your features

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can even see the alarplasty scars when the photos aren‘t too filter heavy

A god-tier nosejob.

[Nctyleggo]

On Minatozaki Sana, her visual transformation and my personal opinion on what she‘s had done 

(Top images are the before, bottom the after)

EYES:

There‘s only one known photo where Sana appears to be bereft of her noticeably deep double eyelids, but it is way too angled and blurry to be anywhere near conclusive:

But based on the depth, height, movility (aka the way it apears to be clipped to the eyelid muscle the way many surgically enhanced lids are) and visible scars, I‘ve come to the conclusion that she‘s undergone double eyelid surgery.

I also see reasons to suspect a subtle post-debut epicanthoplasty:

 

Chin:

Sana sure has lost some weight throughout her career, but it doesn‘t account for the fact that her naturally recessive chin (which one of her most caracteristic features, an overbite, made all the more noticeable) is now a bit more aligned and forwarded. I think she‘s had a small chin implant, not exactly to elongate her face but to add some volume. I also think the gets fillers around that zone every once in a while, which would accound for the minor changes (its getting sharper or going back to receding a bit) that are to be seen with every comeback.

Lips:

 

Sana has a tiny mouth with correspondingly small lips, and, whilst that is very much still the case, she‘s been plumping them up just a bit with the help of fillers.

I also think she has veneers that are a tad too big for her and a costumary dosis of botox to account for the tight-looking skin.

Edited February 25, 2021 by Nctyleggo

[Nctyleggo]

24 minutes ago, Angelica_mochi said:

The nose fillers really jumped out in this picture

Also have you guys seen WayV's comeback teaser's photoshoots? Some of them look slightly off to me but i can't place what it is yet. I'll post more photos of them when i spot something.

Also imo, lucas does not look good with a pointy nose tip. Idk it doesn't suit the rest of his features. 

Fucking agree. Everything about him is rounded, open and blunt, and yet SM seems to think they‘re doing something there by giving him a sharper nose. They like to butcher his chinline as well, I mean...

   WYD

[Nctyleggo]

12 hours ago, camelliabloom said:

This is no shade to Sana but I think she's had the most work done in Twice. Would any of you agree/disagree?

I genuinely am so curious what she did to her face around late 2019 because the time between 2019-2020 had me in awe. She used to be known for her squirrel-like cheeks but now her lower half of her face is completely different. It's more chiseled and her jaw is definitely more prominent. Side note but could that be due to the chin implant as well?

I'm using pictures from 2020 GDA as the 'after' because most recently she's gone beyond overboard with the fillers and is looking like Soojin. I should preface that she was also really underweight in the 2020 GDA 'after' pictures so assume that she has a ton of filler. But I'm wondering what she had done to make her face look so sculpted but also so angular at the same time. Notice how her face is naturally more oval but the work she's had done makes it more chiseled. Her jaw is more prominent now.

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So much filler...but do you see what I mean when I say that the lower half of her face is more square-ish?

 

It's confusing because I definitely see bits of her old face still there but then she has moments like below where she looks absolutely stunning but nothing like her original face.

 

Last minute thought: Now I'm realizing she most likely had the chin implant in this 'before' set...fml sdojfoidjfisjfdiojdsf

I spent hours trying to find these photos and I'm not kidding. Oh well here's some pictures of her during Sixteen.

 

 

I agree that she‘s changed quite a bit even though she was drop dead gorgeous to begin with. The thing I like the most about her changes is that she still looks like herself, just idolled-up: her overbite, cheeks and Roman nose are still there. She hasn‘t shaven her jaw down into nothing, hasn‘t got rid of her wonderfully high and prominent cheekbones, got a chin implant that actually worked for her instead of going for a Dorito jaw... The only procedures I think of as a bit too much are her eyes (loved the squirrelish look to them) and the filler+botox overload that prevents her from being as expressive as she could be (which is her charm, after all). She was pretty and charming before, now she’s beautiful and charming. At the end of the day, what matters is that she’s still running high on inner beauty the same one you could see sparkle in her eyes during her Sixteen days. (God, she really is one of the best idols ever)

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1 hour ago, Angelica_mochi said:

Have ya'll been blessed with Doyoung's titties this morning yet?

Anyways, what i wanted to ask was that the shape of his jawline is a dead giveaway of a jaw shave right? I remember multiple people commenting only a few posts back that people who had their jaw shaved often have that "egg-like" shape to it? like their jawlines will be completely smooth without a mandible angle no matter how they pose?

like for example in the picture above, you see the bone part underneath Jungwoo's ear and if you look at Doyoung, that part is missing. I've seen many doyoung plastic surgery deniers on other websites and the thing they are always passionate about is doyoung never getting his jaw shaved.  they always seem to vehemently deny it for some reason and they always use the excuse that singing practicing/techniques(?) shifted his jaw? Idk anything about singing however I doubt that it would make your jawline smoother???

I'm not sure though but I've never seen anyone with a jaw like that naturally.

Didn’t like his jaw shave, but he’s got some touch-ups since and has been looking more handsome by the day. One of the few idols who actually suit lip fillers.

[Nctyleggo]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMe2HUA4w/

I would have never guessed but it makes sense she got access to ps whilst young since her mother is literally a PS Clinic manager.

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Also on Yeonwoo:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMe29J2Xd/

1 hour ago, Baybeh said:

What do you guys think about Jihyo?

Sure bet for most natural member in TWICE and one of the most natural idols overall.

[Nctyleggo]

I think I‘ll have to disagree with you @camelliabloom

Tzuyu‘s nose grew taller with age, just like all noses do

It‘s not like you can literally see an implant alla Jungkook.

 

It‘s not like her side profile changed or anything.

 

To fully convince you of your foolishness, here goes a pic of Tzuyu‘s perfectly ordinary nosebridge where an implant sitting atop is totally not visible and absolutely no scarring remnants are to be noticed

 

Edited February 27, 2021 by Nctyleggo

[Nctyleggo]

23 minutes ago, Jikrytae said:

I don't get why you're so bothered that people don't believe this (very strongly, matter-of-factly stated, "I can't possibly be wrong") speculation. 

I agree with you in that it is sheer speculation that can be backed up to a degree and that no one is forced to believe it. I find it interesting, however, that you‘ll always show up whenever Tzuyu happens to be mentioned and will go full-on snark to try and undermine any possible claims of her having work done. Not just answering to them and providing evidence to back-up your own claims, I mean straight-up degrading and passive agressiveness. Talking down to other users as if they were dimwits. I remember an user here actually making early claims of Tzuyu‘s possible rhinoplasty (without providing any initial arguments, to be fair) and your being thunder-quick to shut them up by calling them delusional and suggesting they go to hospital. This is a place for discussion, but I swear every time you appear with your all-too-smug nagging it turns into a fall-out mess. You‘re plain rude.

[Nctyleggo]

17 minutes ago, Jikrytae said:

Yes, this is all my fault, which explains perfectly why the conversation was able to continue on without my participation.  Now it just sounds like you're looking for a scapegoat to escape the guilt of beating a dead horse, for what motive I do not know. But if it makes you feel any better, I promise I'll show up every time I disagree with you, not just when Tzuyu is mentioned, with my charming wit and all. 

The conversation did go on, it’s the derisive remarks that are on you, mate, and your apparent need to get personal and dismissive, thinking that you’re so sharp and see through all people’s reasons, for what motive I do not know. What a great psychoanalyser that you are. What dead horse I‘m I beating? What should I feel guilty for? Bringing up an idol’s possible nose job stated by a qualified doctor to a KPS dicussion thread? I‘m not sorry I brought that up, if anything I’m sorry I dared mention Tzuyu so that you had to appear. You shite on everyone everytime you show up, self-proclaimed wit and all. 

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18 minutes ago, Jikrytae said:

Well you're correct in assuming that I've successfully "psychoanalyzed" you and know exactly why you continue beating this horse to a pulp, but the answer is so obvious that I needn't even mention it. Shucks, there's that word again. As for me being derisive, it takes two to tango. I'd love to know what you think you're being right now, with all these personal attacks that add nothing to the subject of the thread. Can you not "psychoanalyze" yourself?

LMAOOOO

Just the way you word things reminds me of the edgy kid who thinks he‘s smarter than everyone else just because he made it halfway through Nietzsche. I‘ll completely ignore you from now on.

Edited February 28, 2021 by Nctyleggo

[Nctyleggo]

8 minutes ago, niadiallo said:

I swear I'm not trying to be mean, but in the first photo she reminds me more of Jungwoo  (or Jungwoo on Halloween 2018 to be exact) than her old self  

You’re right OMG. In Nana’s defense, Jungwoo is a really pretty guy.

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21 minutes ago, Owlet said:

While we're on the topic of shadow doctors; I've finally found that one video of the interpreter working at a PS hospital talking about the issue.

 

Omg, what a lack of work and human ethics, they shouldn’t even have a job.

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5 hours ago, mayday said:

this has probably already been mentioned somewhere in this thread but im curious, what are some idols you think have had more work done than people think vs idols you think havent had as much done as people think? for me i think taeyong, tzuyu, and joy have had more work done than people think and i think chungha hasnt had as much done as people think. like dont get me wrong she looks very different from her ioi days and you dont even need to see what she looked like before to know shes had work done but i feel like a lot of it has to do with makeup and styling. i mean she definitely doesnt know when to stop but there are times when i see pics of her (usually without as much makeup and little editing) and i dont think she looks anything like park bom 2.0 like people claim. though she needs to stop before it gets to the point where she does look like bom i dont think shes had every cosmetic surgery done you can think of (at least at the moment) the way people says she does.

Less work than people think: Nayeon (it’s not like she’s way ahead of the rest of the group in that department), Kai (eyes and nose are touched, but it’s not like he changed his entire bone structure), Bora (whatever she may have has done to her face has to be minimal), agree with Chungha in that she hasn’t had many more invasive procedures done than your typical idol, but she definitely packs on the fillers, some WayV members (Hendery, WinWin), Girl’s Day Minah for sure.
 

More work than people think: agree on Tzuyu, HyunA (she’s messed so much with her nose), pretty much all of BTS, IU (duh), Seolhyun+ Hyejeong (naturally pretty anyway; Seolhyun’s work was tastefully done, HJ’s, not so much), Cha Eunwoo (a bit of a nip and tuck here and there, that face has definitely seen more than one syringe) Seulgi (nose done, sometimes her cheeks look like they’re about to burst), Suzy (not all natural as people claim her to be; you can only make a Suzy out of a Suzy, though), Chanyeol...

[Nctyleggo]

3 hours ago, tgog said:

Wow I really like what @Nctyleggo said about how you can only make a Suzy out of Suzy. She does seem to have had work done, but pre-debut she had the same pretty and sweet (I have no other word to describe it LOL but she looks so sweet) face. Forehead's been mentioned for Suzy as well, she lifted her hairline.

Honestly I always find nose jobs difficult to detect unless the shape is really different, I've seen some people grow out of their noses REALLY well (r/UglyDuckling is my favourite for that, but I've seen it happen irl as well). Definitely agree on her eyes looking wider, in her latest drama they were practically popping out sometimes lol. 

I think this pic ilustrates it well:

It’s not just the double eyelids that disappear, notice how her inner and outer eye corners seem to “close down”? That’s not just a simple blepharoplasty, her eye corners have been cut as well in order to increase the scleral show and make her eyes appear langer, whence the slight “bug eye” effect.

Also, her nose before was a bit wider, bulbous and on the flatter side; it is now projected and slimmed down (both the tip and the alars have been refined) and the bridge height has been raised likely through an implant (it is now sloped whereas before it was a bit “flattened” against her face).

Then she had a hairline revision to make her forehead higher (which is common knowledge by now)

She kept it simple, chose a conservative doctor and doesn’t seem to be buying into the filler bullshit (good for her), has been blessed with flawless skin and an innocent countenance from the beginning and hasn’t messed with her facial contours (Istg that never ends well).

[Nctyleggo]

On 3/5/2021 at 3:12 AM, igotaboyonmychin said:

Winter's face looks tighter and rounder, right? Or am I just seeing things? She had a very soft face shape during Black Mamba promotions but I don't remember that she looked like this. Maybe it's the mom haircut, I don't know.

On the other hand, NingNing's fillers dissolved a little. I hope it's fillers tho and not one of those extreme diets. 

It’s Giselle’s jaw that’s caught my attention in this vid. I’m no longer of the opinion that her jaw shave is successful and natural looking. She was presumably the last member to get major work done, so, when ÆSPA debuted, there was a bit of swelling going on, which made her face look rounder and her lower half a bit more proportionate. Her jawline, however, has been waning as months have gone by.

 

Her circa debut:

 

As of now:


 

 

There’s something that doesn’t click anymore, kinda like with Wendy’s mask effect. SM seems to be allergic to anything jaw related.

 

 

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6 hours ago, SepiaSkies said:

Jungwoo is kind of a funny case in the sense that most people agree that he had work done (even outside of this thread!) but very few can actually pinpoint what exactly he did. I've seen people refer to him as kinda "fake" looking several times over the years, yet nobody seems to really know why that's the case lol. Looking at this pre-debut pictures, he doesn't look wildly different to me - most of his defining features are still there, hence why it's so hard for people to figure out why he comes across as unnatural looking. I've always thought that his nose job was super obvious because his bridge is just SO high and defined on an otherwise very soft and doll-like face (not unlike Winter, now that I think about about it), but tbh he's always had a high bridge that doesn't look like it naturally belongs there for some reason. I'm still convinced he did have a nose job though, like you said in those pictures his bridge looks kinda crooked, which I think I've also noticed in a different pre-debut pic of him. Pretty sure he did some fine-tuning at least. I'm not the biggest fan of it, not because it's a bad nose job or anything, I just think it didn't help his "problem" of his nose looking like it belongs to a different face (that's just my opinion though, of course).

Next up, he's always had a rather fluffy face with soft, full cheeks. I do believe he gets continuous fillers on top of that though, and that this may be one of the main reasons he supposedly looks "fake" - there was no need for fillers in the first place imo, now he often looks just on the verge of overfilled. Not sure what they were trying to accomplish with this, other than emphasizing his youthful, doll-like appearance , maybe. I've seen it on many other idols before. Eunha was just mentioned, and she's another case of completely unnecessary fillers on top of a naturally full face. Jungwoo's case is not nearly as bad, though.

Agreed on the eyes, he may have had his inner corners cut as well, I think. The one thing I don't really see is a change in his lips, but that just might be me.

I've also seen many people on twitter claiming he looked strange after he returned from his hiatus in January last year - almost like a completely different person yet instantly recognizable for some reason. I don't think we ever figured out what that was about lol.

I think his face gives off a slightly "unnatural" feeling because of a combination of the things I just mentioned. A bit of fine-tuning here and there, some unnecessary fillers, plus his face just kinda looking the way it does lol, and there you have it! Most of it wasn't major work, which contributed to him looking kinda the same yet different. Enhanced, if you will. I think everything was well done (minus the fillers maybe) and it suits his image, but I'm not a fan personally.

Even when I knew nothing about PS I always thought he looked a bit uncanny. Like, his features were just too perfect and waxy, and his gestures seemed unnatural.

[Nctyleggo]

11 minutes ago, mayday said:

one of the most natural idols imo

 

One of the few idols to have completely avoided the scalpel. A hill I’ll die on. I don’t see him getting anything done, tbh. Like, can you picture Mark Lee getting to an appointment for his costumary dosis of botox? Yeah, me neither.

He has a face that doesn’t strictly fit into SM standards yet at the same time has that “it” factor. It’s instantly recognisable and amiable, like a freshness that pulls you in. Or, like someone put it once, “he has the kinda face old people like”.

[Nctyleggo]

1 hour ago, UrmiUndone said:

From what I remember in Black Mamba era she still had her jaw angle. So she probably shaved it in the break. (If I am wrong, please feel no issue in correcting me)

I think she didn’t have the angle when they debuted, she just “masks” it better due to her fleshy face.

Her case baffles me the most. I can sort of “get” why SM would want to get rid of stronger, uneven jaws, but her face was plenty small already. Like, nothing was added to her looks by it. 
 

Also, jaw shaving “designs” are for the most part rough looking. Like the doctor didn’t even care to follow the patient’s natural contours and just retires a piece of bone big enough to create a geometrical V-shape in the face. I’m in no position to criticise medical practices, I’m just speaking from a purely aesthetical viewpoint.

 

Spoiler

https://youtu.be/WlWeTjh-8D4

 

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48 minutes ago, SepiaSkies said:

Honestly, who at SM keeps suggesting their young artists/trainees to get such invasive work done? The amount of jaw shaves we've seen come out of that company in the past few years is starting to become alarming. Come on, at least give them a chance to grow into their features.

Fr, it’s such an invasive procedure and they’re handing it out like free sandwiches.

[Nctyleggo]

On 2/24/2021 at 10:12 PM, Nctyleggo said:

 

 

 

 

Chin:

Sana sure has lost some weight throughout her career, but it doesn‘t account for the fact that her naturally recessive chin (which one of her most caracteristic features, an overbite, made all the more noticeable) is now a bit more aligned and forwarded. I think she‘s had a small chin implant, not exactly to elongate her face but to add some volume. I also think the gets fillers around that zone every once in a while, which would accound for the minor changes (its getting sharper or going back to receding a bit) that are to be seen with every comeback.

 

 

1 hour ago, camelliabloom said:

What did Sana have done to lessen the appearance of her overbite? I see a chin implant but really want to know because I also have an overbite and my chin/lower third area is very short from the front. Anything that would help to balance her lower face so well. If any of you have any ideas aside from a chin implant pls lmk.

The reason why I see a chin implant and not something done to her teeth is that she still has her noticeable overbite.