Official Plastic Surgery Thread

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Cha Eunwoo of Astro had not had anything surgical done right? I’ve tried searching back in this thread and that seems to be what everyone believes. I’ve heard his name multiple times before but I’ve never really paid attention to his projects.

This morning I was bored so I decided to watch a few episodes of true beauty (a show which he acts in) and I can’t help but notice that is facial expressions are really stiff. He seems to have difficulty moving his face in more than 3 expressions.

Is this a result of too much filler or is that his acting style?

Or like in this picture (its an unflattering angle im sorry) his lips and face looks quite swollen.

Edited March 4, 2021 by Angelica_mochi
Genuinely curious about this. Because his facial expressions are stiff but his face does not look puffy?

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23 hours ago, meeeplet said:

I think he does fillers and probably botox as well. I think he started doing them around All Night era? (Since then he’s looked puffy on and off to me).

To be fair, I’ve never seen him that extremely puffy since so I think it’s possible that his face getting fuller is from natural weight gain. (He gained around 10kg or about 20lbs). When he younger, before he’d started with fillers I'm pretty sure, there were points in time when face did look puffy:

That, I’m pretty sure, was just from weight changes. As for his puffiness now, on the other hand, I’m more inclined to believe is from fillers since since it look like he did them before. In True Beauty he looked quite puffy to me overall: 

As for stiffness, I think at least some of it is from his acting style as he plays a lot of deadpan characters. In real life he’s a lot more expressive:

I hope that helps!

Thank you!! I swear when i first saw him, i thought he must had a lot done to his face. idk he just has that type of face.

21 hours ago, Eirene29 said:

I think the problem is that he's just not that great of an actor lololol

lmao at first i wrote "Is this a result of too much filler or is he just an incompetent actor?" but i edited it because i thought it was too mean. Whoever says pretty privilege doesn't exist clearly haven't seen cha eunwoo's acting. 

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6 hours ago, aenct said:

Jungwoo

 

I rarely see people outside of this thread mention his work

I think he was mentioned once(?) back in 2018 when he first debuted but the op didn't go into details into what he had done. But i agree, among the nct members, he is definitely the one who has a lot done who is least mentioned. although he looks very handsome, i thought his face looks way too puffy at debut. his nose, chin, and cheekbones really juts out of his face in a sometime unfortunate way.

1. this is a photo from 2015/2016: 

look at his nose tip and how his nose kind off points down (like it's not pointy)

 

When he debuted in 2018:

The nose tip is suddenly very pointy and his nose bridge is sloped.

 

Superhuman era:

 

In this photo it almost looks like an implant.

 

2. I also believe he had his eyes done, it looks very different compared to what it look like. the angle is similar on these photos and he is kinda squinting(?)

(also his nose looks a bit crooked here but it could just be the lighting)

notice how the line is very harsh here. 

 

4. Lips/smile area:

I'm not too sure about this but his smile looks different. I don't know the correct vocabulary for this but I believe his smile has changed. In the past his lips rounded out when he's smiling and it points up at the corners(?). This is both visible in his neutral head position and when smiling. Can this change be achieved through fillers or is it a whole procedure? 

 

If we were to do this Lorry Hill style, this would be the verdict:

1. Nose job (possibly an implant)

2. blepharoplasty 

3. fillers continuously through 2018-present

4. possibly something to his lips

 

This is a photo that shows everything he had done. The nose, eyes, and smile is quite obvious.

I think some nctzens know that jungwoo is not natural yet most of them always defend him when someone accuses him of having a nose job. I think maybe because his nose looks somewhat similar to his pre-debut's one to an untrained eye. 

Edited March 6, 2021 by Angelica_mochi

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1 hour ago, good_morning said:

Why does she look so aged? 

 

Her cheeks look so lumpy???? I watched Lorry hill's video on "plastic surgery that makes you look fake" and she mentioned something about different types of fillers and their side effects. She said that sometimes fillers turn lumpy and don't fully dissolve (it has to be surgically removed in that case). I think this could be what happened to eunha because her cheeks looks really strange. 

also that hair color is not it. It doesn't suit her skin tone at all and she looks like those soccer moms I would see in target at 8:00 A.M.

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6 hours ago, mayday said:

one of the most natural idols imo

 

I agree that he's the most natural member out of the neos (probably out of the whole company tbh) however in those pictures his nose has been edited. His nose is not straight naturally and I think someone in this thread had mentioned how sm likes to photoshop his nose?

 

In candid photos during SuperM's debut, his nose suddenly appears really straight. i guess it could be fillers?

But as of recently it seems like his natural nose is back!!!

Edited March 7, 2021 by Angelica_mochi

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9 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

Even when I knew nothing about PS I always thought he looked a bit uncanny. Like, his features were just too perfect and waxy, and his gestures seemed unnatural.

 

15 hours ago, SepiaSkies said:

Jungwoo is kind of a funny case in the sense that most people agree that he had work done (even outside of this thread!) but very few can actually pinpoint what exactly he did. I've seen people refer to him as kinda "fake" looking several times over the years, yet nobody seems to really know why that's the case lol. Looking at this pre-debut pictures, he doesn't look wildly different to me - most of his defining features are still there, hence why it's so hard for people to figure out why he comes across as unnatural looking. I've always thought that his nose job was super obvious because his bridge is just SO high and defined on an otherwise very soft and doll-like face (not unlike Winter, now that I think about about it), but tbh he's always had a high bridge that doesn't look like it naturally belongs there for some reason. I'm still convinced he did have a nose job though, like you said in those pictures his bridge looks kinda crooked, which I think I've also noticed in a different pre-debut pic of him. Pretty sure he did some fine-tuning at least. I'm not the biggest fan of it, not because it's a bad nose job or anything, I just think it didn't help his "problem" of his nose looking like it belongs to a different face (that's just my opinion though, of course).

Next up, he's always had a rather fluffy face with soft, full cheeks. I do believe he gets continuous fillers on top of that though, and that this may be one of the main reasons he supposedly looks "fake" - there was no need for fillers in the first place imo, now he often looks just on the verge of overfilled. Not sure what they were trying to accomplish with this, other than emphasizing his youthful, doll-like appearance , maybe. I've seen it on many other idols before. Eunha was just mentioned, and she's another case of completely unnecessary fillers on top of a naturally full face. Jungwoo's case is not nearly as bad, though.

Agreed on the eyes, he may have had his inner corners cut as well, I think. The one thing I don't really see is a change in his lips, but that just might be me.

I've also seen many people on twitter claiming he looked strange after he returned from his hiatus in January last year - almost like a completely different person yet instantly recognizable for some reason. I don't think we ever figured out what that was about lol.

I think his face gives off a slightly "unnatural" feeling because of a combination of the things I just mentioned. A bit of fine-tuning here and there, some unnecessary fillers, plus his face just kinda looking the way it does lol, and there you have it! Most of it wasn't major work, which contributed to him looking kinda the same yet different. Enhanced, if you will. I think everything was well done (minus the fillers maybe) and it suits his image, but I'm not a fan personally.

Its like this photo of him. He looks really overfilled yet i doubt he had that much put in. I guess he just has a natural pillow face? I agree with you on the mix-matched features statement. all of his features don't look like they belong to him (even though they are really similar to his natural ones) but somehow he makes it work. He looks really good and i would consider him to be one of the visuals of 127 without the fillers tbh.  

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Oh no..... I didn't even recognize him at first ( or second ) glance. I think this is one of the worst photos of his nose. The doctor removed too much tip cartilage and now it look similar to jhope or that actor we were previously talking about. Something about the nostril shape is rubbing me the wrong way.

Also is it just me or is his eyes, lips, and chin completely different? his cheekbones also seems strangely flat. or is his cheeks fuller?

Edited March 10, 2021 by Angelica_mochi

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I don't know if this makes much sense but is this type of nose shape achieved through surgical means only or does it also occur naturally?

I'm asking because K/Kei also has this type of nose and since his predebut pictures are quite blurry, I can't tell whether he had it done or not.

In I-land:

 

Predebut:

His nose bridge seems significantly taller. What do you guys think?

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On 3/11/2021 at 2:21 AM, meeeplet said:

Who is this? I feel like I should know but I’m drawing a blank.

 

On 3/11/2021 at 2:26 AM, lighterxx said:

I believe that's Yuta from NCT if it helps 

I also thought he looked really unrecognizable tbh. I think it's already been said multiple times that he had one of the worst nose jobs out of the SM idols. 

This is what he looked like before the Lovaholic comeback:

In these photos, his nostril placement is completely different. I believe he had a ( badly done ) nostril tuck before the latest comeback which is why his nostrils look really thin. I wonder if he could breathe properly? I'm kinda worried about him tbh, he was the most handsome member to me ( around 2016-2017 ) I wonder whos been telling him that he should change this much. 

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3 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:

Imo, his face had a rough edge that made him interesting in a manly way. Part of the reason BTS became so big because they were....real. Sure imperfect, but that imperfection and lack of polish made them endearing. But Jungkook tried to refine himself in the more androgynous ideals of mainstream kpop and while he still looks good, I think he lost the initial charm that made him big.

Likely implant but the base shape has not changed that much. Who is the top guy though?

Rowoon from sf9. I believe he has been discussed in this thread for having a nose job (and possibly more ).

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4 minutes ago, UrmiUndone said:

I didn't recognise him lmaoo and I think he is one of the idols who is making it big in the k-drama scenario right? He looks completely different in this photo. ((Granted I have been following him only pretty recently)

Yeah he's getting more popular due to his acting than his idol career lol. He's supposedly quite famous for his height ( 191 cm ). In that photo he was "bare faced" and maybe the angle made him look different. I have to say though, he was cuter before the nose job.

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1 hour ago, meeeplet said:

I think he did his nose predebut tbh? I don't know if that's the "before" nose you were referring too, but I think the more recent changes in his nose (and it starting to look more obviously unnatural, at least to me) are just from his first nose job aging.

This is his original nose I believe:

 

It was a perfectly decent nose imo but I guess it wasn't "high" enough for the Korean standard.

Before and after comparison:

 

This is him in 2016 when I'd assume his nose job was fairly recent:

As he ages, it became more noticeable imo:

And then this year:

yeah his predebut nose was so cute! If he had that nose now he would look a whole lot younger. His nose now looks jarringly obvious - like you can kinda see the outline of the implant. I've heard from a Lorry Hill video ( where she was analyzing Cindy Kimberly ) that the skin around the nose gradually gets thinner as you age. ( she recommend that the surgeon be conservative with the tissue removal in the nose tip ).  The doctor who did his nose must have not cared about how he would look when he ages. This is the main problem i have with kpop surgeries tbh. Most of them look amazing now but in 5-10 years they would not. This seems to be the case with rowoon, and countless more. i can already predict which young idol would not look good in a few years ( the entire SM jaw shave gang for instance ). 

Rowoon naturally has high cheekbones and a strong lower face which can make someone look more mature than they are however he had enough facial fat to still make him look young. Now that his facial fat is fading, so is his youthful looks apparently. 

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27 minutes ago, Dilettante said:

 

I have to disagree with these claims of a new nosejob.

Firstly, the photo you claim that he look unrecognizable is from Work It photoshoot, not Loveholic

 In recent selcas (from the past two weeks) his nose looks exactly the same as these pictures you attached (And the last pic was took during From Home promotions...)

 

 

I'm sorry I don't know the exact dates of the photo I just categorize them by how recent they are posted in my pinterest home page. Just to be clear, i looked it up and Work it/From Home are from the same comeback (resonance) and Lovaholic was like 3 weeks ago (there are about a 4 months difference between those 2 comebacks). I got a bit confused because his hair color was kinda similar in Work it and the dreadful gimme gimme music video. 

But either way i think we can all agree that he looks really different in that Work It photoshoot. It's really tragic how they edit the photo like that, would not be good for anyone's mental health really.  

 

Edited March 12, 2021 by Angelica_mochi
Shotaro is so cute wtf

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One of the greatest nose jobs in the industry really. Follows the structure of her face completely and makes her look even more gorgeous. 

(^This photo looks heavily filtered ngl)

Overall Itzy really has some of the best work done. they all look really natural and it's clear that JYPE's surgeon knows what they're doing. The twice girlies ( there are a lot of debates we had about this so i won't be naming names ) all have that natural yet elevated look. Out of all the big companies, JYP idols are often seen as the most "natural". I've seen so many ppl in the comment sections of ppl discussing Twice's ps defending them. The most common comments i see are "but they were 15" and 'i don't see any changes" and "it's just puberty". I hope people like that never find this thread.

 

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1 hour ago, UrmiUndone said:

His nostrils do look smaller.

Actually in the top photo he looks like some Afro-American rapper.

I would have believed if you said he was Black.

Interesting observation but I think it’s just the way his bleached damaged hair is covering his face and the filtered freckles? Cause in the second pic he doesn’t look like that.

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1 hour ago, igotaboyonmychin said:

Compared to Chaeyeon's, Chaeryeong's nose job is just perfect

Chaeyeon also had her eyes done right? I remember reading an article where Knets were saying that she “got prettier” and that is allegedly due to her getting double eyelids. Looking through predebut pictures of them, chaeryoung’s eyelids also look a bit difference but it doesn’t look like the work of a double eyelid surgery to me. It could be a lateral cantoplasty or a similar procedures to that. I’m not that good at spotting eyelid changes (unless it’s really obvious) so if anyone more knowledgeable would like to share their opinion please go ahead. 
 

Chaeyeon’s nose was only obvious to me in recent comebacks. My opinions are kinda mixed but it definitely made the middle part of her face seems larger(?). 

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14 hours ago, mayday said:

thoughts on fromis_9 saerom?

^This is a photo of her in school so i'll assume that she's natural here.

The only big difference i see is now her nose tip is more lifted. Her nostril placement also seems different. 

 

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2 hours ago, igotaboyonmychin said:

Speaking of beauty youtubers, has anybody mentioned Michelle Phan here earlier?

I think her transformation is quite interesting. 
Mid 2010s:

Now:

She looks younger now but I don't understand what has changed? Only chin and lips? 

 

I think her nose has also changed. The middle part of her nose seems more pinched and lifted. Overall her nose also seems higher. 

Although I'm not too sure about this. I think it could be occasional fillers instead of a full nose job because in videos her nose still looks more or less the same.

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12 minutes ago, mayday said:

most of fromis look natural at first glance... now chaeyoung on the other hand

Ikr.. she has one of the harshest eyelid crease I've ever seen. They are also strangely high up on her face.

^I know this pic is blurry but notice how her eyelid crease is not as deep as it is in the first photo (she is kinda doing the same pose here).

Her nose tip also seems to be lifted. I'd say overall, Fromis9 has a really good surgeon.

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6 hours ago, meeeplet said:

Oh I really like his jaw! Funny how it's often the features you feel insecure apart that other people gravitate towards because they're the features that set you apart/make unique. My mom always used to say these are features that "have character" lol and though they may not be the most conventionally attractive, they're kind of what makes you you, if that makes sense. On another note, his jaw kind of reminds me of Cravity's Taeyoung's jaw. I've heard people say they look alike too. 

Taeyoung:

I think they're both good looking kids and I hope neither of them touches their jaw in future.

 

Yes!!! Jay from Enhypen also has this type of jaw. His jawline is really sharp and the mandible angle is really prominent. His face is the most recognizable to me out of all the members due to his strong facial structure. And i know this type of jaw is not very desirable among idols but i think it looks great on him. He only had his nose done ( to make it more sharper ) which really suits his natural features. ( honestly, getting a nose job to fit a sharper face is way better than getting a jaw shave to fit a softer face imo ). I notice a lot of newer male idols are showing off their natural jaw. Maybe the jaw shave trend is starting to go away (at least for male idols)?? 

I'm honestly curious as to what the SM jaw shave gang would look like with their natural jaw now. I'm pretty sure all of them had it done before they were even 18. 

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Okay guys I found a better photo where his alarplasty scar is more visible.

His reddish/brown makeup makes him look like he was crying before taking this pic ngl.

slightly off-topic, but does his left eyelid ( our right ) looks suddenly higher? I thought he never touched his eyelids but I'll look more into it.

In the last two photos, you can undeniably see two scars along each of his nostrils where they connect to the base. When i first saw this picture, i was kinda confused because we've established through another similar picture with visible scars that he had it done around mid-late 2018 but this photo is fairly recent and the scar looks new. I guess scars technically never really go away but it looks so much more evident now than it was in 2018 ( and shouldn't that be the other way around )?

Either (1) he had a second nose job during the almost year long break before neo-zone, or (2) he didn't apply any base makeup in this photo which would be a bit strange imo because he is wearing everything else (eyeshadow, lipstick, etc.). Jaehyun is also known for saying he doesn't use filters but this picture definitely looks a bit smoothed out. ( Important to note that in the chinese subtitles it says specifically that he does not use any "whitening/brightening" filter but that doesn't mean that he doesn't use any other type of skin smoothing or blurring filter ). 

I guess I just wonder why the makeup artist didn't cover the scars up or why he didn't conceal them with a filter? Maybe he just doesn't care lmao

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1 hour ago, igotaboyonmychin said:

Is that lip fillers I see?

If it's not just weird makeup shadowing then I definitely think It is lip fillers. In this video by Lorry Hill, she explains the different types of fillers and its characteristics. I believe he had some type of water-loving filler like Juvederm which would often travel around and subsequently create that shadow above his lips. She talks about fillers around the 1:35 minute mark.

Also off topic, but Ten's jaw in that photo looks really smooth ( He's the only person I've ever seen who has a natural jaw like that. It seems like mother nature got to him first before SM did ).

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1 hour ago, good_morning said:

WHAT, i thought that’s Chenle

 

I won't be surprised if he looks completely different in the new comeback. SM seems to have a problem with his face for some reason. They keep trying to change his face to fit their visual mold. I swear, his nose keeps getting smaller every single comeback since BOOM. I hope they won't try any jaw shaving with him, his jaw already looks really suspicious in MAW. 

 

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20 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

Jaehyun.

Lmao when I first got into Kpop I also thought they looked similar. But after becoming more familiar, I would say there are alot of differences between them. Although I definitely agree that Jaemin's facial structure has been looking suspiciously like Cha eunwoo's nowadays. The first thing that I've notice is that all three of them have a very similar jawline. Which is not much considering it's a very popular shape ( v shape ). Nowadays, Jaehyun's chin has been looking pointier than it used to be. Cha Eunwoo's face is more structured and full (high cheekbones, high nose bridge), while jaehyun has broader and "sharper" features ( longer face, "flat" nose bridge, flat ass). 

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10 minutes ago, meeeplet said:

 

I honestly see a resemblance to Rowoon too in some pics: 

I think SM is trying to balance his vertical fifths like they did with Jaehyun:

Comparison:

 

It looks to me like his chin is wider now and the hollows on either side of it seem less noticeable, like they may have been filled in.

I think the chin thing might be a chin wing implant. Kinda similar to what Ariana grande had done.

Honestly, for the amount of surgery he had done, he still looks pretty good. I like that SM has not touch his eyelids as they are a bit asymmetrical ( his left eyelids crease is higher than his right ). The skin filtering/bleaching is quite subtle, I barely remembered that his original skin color is tan.