Official Plastic Surgery Thread

[Nctyleggo]

50 minutes ago, zhvero said:

I think the sagging is because theres now no bone (or less of a bone or essentially missing bone) to support the skin and thats why it sags (before the bone supported it and held it up and now you don't have that bone and theres nothing there to hold up the skin anymore). I also think maybe some people have the excess skin removed and thats why they don't seem to have a problem with sagging skin whereas some people don't and thats why they need constant botox maintenance to keep the skin tight and not saggy

But speaking on how having no angle or less of an angle (etc) can be a good giveaway on a jaw shave, do you guys think theres other procedures that have easily spotted giveaways? Like I know years ago someone on this thread said that triangular nostrils (think bts jungkook) can be a side effect on asian noses from having major nose (or at least tip) work done and I wanna say thats more or less true. Whenever I see someone having kinda weirdly shaped nostrils (and I end up looking at their predebut pictures) they usually have had some work done on their nose. idk I find it interesting and I wanna know if you guys believe in that too (or have other easily spotted giveaways from certain procedures. oh but obviously not the scar on your eye from double eyelid surgery. that ones obvious lol)

 

 

Perfectly dainty ski slope noses on people with an otherwise strong bone structure. There may be some rare cases when it actually fits, but it looks extremely phony most of the time. Also, when and idol has an unusually high nose bridge that is extremely smooth and has no bump. It is an indicative of a nose job –with an implant— a great deal of the time along with wonky, lopsided nostrils. Poorly done blepharoplasties, particularly among white people, are also easy to spot. 

[Nctyleggo]

Okay, so apparently these are the scars left by incisional eyelid surgery, aka the long-lasting one, aka the one that actually leaves a scar.

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In the vast majority of cases it is not quite as severe unless the procedure is recent or there have been complications that disrupt the healing proccess.

Irene‘s were pretty severe for a while (after she got her eyelids redefined, they’ve deepened quite a bit since Happiness era)

After a while the scars started fading.

Bom‘s eyelids (she‘s probably had them done who knows how many times) and Kai‘s (someone has to list a PS track of this man because his look‘s changes throughout his career have been interesting, to say the least)

My love LE, who‘s been messing with her face since forever

Jeonghwa from Good Night era (rip)

Chanyeol who I didn‘t know had his eyelids done, but you learn something new everyday, I guess.

Our resident man, JHope.

NCT Dream Renjun

The hard thing is to distinguish it from the folds that are naturally formed when pressing the eyelids together. It‘s an indentation, so it should be distinguishable. But it‘s not.

Anyway, here‘s Chanyeol with his pet ferret.

 

 

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59 minutes ago, kimjongwaee said:

I don't know if it's just because of who I happen to know, but I don't think deep, (mostly) symmetrical double eyelids are that rare?

My eyes:                                                                                                          3 of my friends eyes:

(sorry for the blurriness haha)

I know for a fact that none of us got ps or used tape/glue in these pics. I definitely have friends that fit the category the quora poster described as well, but I also know more than just the people I posted above who have more symmetrical double eyelids.

ETA: We're all fully Chinese.

I also used to have one barely double eyelid, but I used tape every night until it permanently became the same size as the bigger one. Sometimes when I don't sleep well (or cry the night before LOL) the double eyelid goes away but comes back after a day or two of taping. I think sleep also sometimes changes my double eyelids to vary in size?

Lol I was going to comment on that. I‘ve observed that natural double eyelids aren‘t always as  consistently apparent, particularly upon watching Nct Mark, who I‘m pretty sure is untouched. He has double eyelids that will sometimes appear to be a higher arc and sometimes (due to swelling) appear to be more of a hood.

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1 hour ago, tastyfruity said:

Thanks to everyone who replied!!! I'll never get Karina jaw thing decision, it's one of those times you say "SM and the surgeon need jail time". I wonder if it's because she had chubby cheeks but they could have tried something else without going to the extreme of jaw shaving first. That said, tho the jaw could be better, I can't say they didn't do a good job with her, a bit uncanny valley but she looks beautiful.

Is this how she would have looked without anything done to her jaw? Karina on want (2019)

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Anyway I hope none of these idols have any complications now or in the future since they start with PS/comestic proceduers so damn young and I hope they're happy with it at least because the cost of it is high.

        this is Want Karina (2019)

(She was actually very pretty before PS, this was just an awkward phase) 
 

Karina‘s original face shape.

 

 

Her current face shape. I‘ll never forgive SM.

 

Her face is naturally fleshy and she had a defined yet short jaw. This probably made her face appear rounder and wider than SM wanted it to be. If you look closely, she had already had her chin area narrowed down and sharpened during the promotions of Taemin‘s WANT, but is her naturally chubby cheeks that sagged down (the width in her face then came from flesh, not bone) that prevented the new narrowness of her jaw to shine through. Then she had buccal fat removal, changed her eyebrows, one or two tweaks with botox and fillers and there you go, her current state. I hope for the love of everything that‘s holly that they don‘t go any further.

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57 minutes ago, lighterxx said:Jeonghwa looks natural to me, eyes can "look" to have that line, when they are not fully closed

rest i agree tho unless its formed afterwards (i cant see scar with renjun)

anyone curious can read it here

https://eunogo.com/blogs/journal/the-complete-guide-to-korean-double-eyelid-surgery

overall if you have big eyes to start with you can get non incision and no one can tell it unless they literally poke into your face 

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Sry if the image I picked was a bit too light

This were his eyes predebut.

 

 

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9 hours ago, ihaigah said:

Definitely they look bigger.

I also think she started looking different before How you like that or maybe earlier in the 2020, but can not pinpoint why exactly. 

She‘s definitely been looking more glamourous in the Western sense, as in sexier and more mature. I honestly think it‘s due to styling, since the makeup they used to give her used to be soooo freaking plain. I agree that she has the features of a goddess and doesn’t really need a full-on makeover everytime she goes onstage, but there‘s a limit to how simple you can go. It made her less eye-catching compared to her members. Not less attractive in any way, just... less it. She‘s gone for a heavier eye makeup and has stopped having underlined the shit out of her lips, which made her look older than she actually is.

Her lips are naturally big and plump

 

Here you can see the natural line of her lips. They were covered in makeup so as to make them look smaller.

Same here.

This is her natural lip shape+ gloss.

 

I do think she did her eyes predebut, she used to have a lot of fat atop of them and barely more than a hood and she now has defined, perfectly symmetrical eyelids. They also used to have more of a droopy shape, whereas how they‘re longer, without any noticeable downward tilt. A bleph and an epicanthoplasty seem very likely.

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I think she‘s untouched otherwise.

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2 hours ago, ga_shina said:

Does anyone think it’s weird when people praise idols beauty saying to get on their level you have to be born pretty when they legit got a whole new face? Should be praising the surgeon. 

To be fair, most idols who look exceptionally beautiful (without looking uncanny valley) after ps where already really pretty to start with. They just get a couple tweaks and that‘s enough to make them into legendary visuals, which is usually indicative of a high quality canvas beforehand. There‘s only so much plastic surgery can do. 

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On a different note, I have to say I‘m fairly pissed with ÆSPA‘s styling, mainly concerning Giselle. Even Knetz have complained about how her makeup/styling always seems to be extremely plain, and I have to agree. I have a theory as to why: her ABG past and malicious rumours ans SM wanting to tone down her edginess and giving her the makeup you‘d expect from a GG with an innocent concept. It doesn’t suit her at all and I think she could pull off a heavier look.
 

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17 hours ago, ga_shina said:

Kai isn't aging/going to age well imo.

Every year he looks slightly different. I wonder what makes him think he isn’t attractive enough when he’s already considered to be the sexiest man in SK, mainly because of his dancing, proportions and chic aura. It’s a rough industry, I guess. And his visual is instantly recognisable, mainly because it doesn’t fit into the standard that much yet is nonetheless viewed as attractive.

    

Here he is predebut (and hopefully untouched)

Here he is in 2012, with some of the most awkward looking double eyelids I’ve seen in my life. As for his nose, he should have stopped right there, just some touch up on those nostrils, and that’s it. Redone noses are a bitch.

Here he is in 2015. I’m at a loss of words before this travestite of a nosejob, and I mean it. At least he got his nostrils opened up, because, lbh, ain’t no one getting enough air in through those slots he had as nostrils in 2012. His eyelids were redefined again, which caused them to appear bloated onstage.

2020 Kai

I mean, at least he isn’t piling on the botox.

But his nose is looking more pinched than ever.

Also, he gets his jawline defined from time to time through fillers. Hence its looking ready to cut some glass vs having some sagging skin around it from time to time.

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17 hours ago, meeeplet said:

I feel like rowoon falls into this category too (implant and pinched nostrils). His nose is looking more obviously done as of late (though it always did look kind of done to me.) I don't know if he had more work on it or if its just aging poorly.

Recently:

It already looked pretty pinched though imo:

Afaik the skin around nose’s on which a nj has been performed tends to get tighter and tighter as time goes by. That’s why with old, poorly done rhinoplasties you start to notice cartilage dents and irregularities that weren’t apparent at first.

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59 minutes ago, 1_5_9_8_0 said:

Created my account not too long ago, and first time poster but long time lurker. I don't want to re ignite the talks about Karina's jaw there's been a lot already. I always saw what you all meant about her jaw but never fully realized it until yesterday. Obviously it's a screencap so it's not the best quality and her mouth is slightly open so it might enhance the visual effect but ye sm really said no jaw for you

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Honestly, poor thing. Imagine having someone tell you you should have some of your facial bone cut off. Jaw shaves, along with epicanthoplasties, are the stuff nightmares are made off.

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1 hour ago, Wdojcdid8 said:

Since its OT

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Is there like a reliable kibbe guide for men

 

It’s the same as with female idols, you just have to train the eye and raise the height limit.

Romantic:

Male idols: BTS Jimin, SVT Seungkwan, EXO D.O

Female IDOLS: IU, RV Wendy, CLC Seunghee

Theatrical Romantic:

Male Idols: Taemin, NCT Ten, SVT S.Coups

Female Idols: TWICE Dahyun, Mamamoo Hwasa, (G) -IDLE Shuhua

Soft Gamine:

Male Idols: BTS Suga, EXO Baekhyun, SVT Woozi

Female Idols: TWICE Nayeon, GFriend Eunha, SNSD Taeyeon

Flamboyant Gamine:

Male Idols: NCT Taeyong, BTS J-Hope, SVT The8

Female Idols: RV Seulgi, OMG Yooa, BLACKPINK Jennie, TWICE Chaeyoung

Soft Classic:

Male Idols: NCT Jaehyun, SVT Joshua

Female Idols: TWICE Mina, BLACKPINK Jisoo, ÆSPA Winter

Dramatic Classic:

Male Idols: BTS V, NCT Doyoung, EXO Lay

Female Idols: TWICE Momo, HyunA, (G) -IDLE Soojin, BP Rosè

Soft Natural:

Male Idols: NCT Jungwoo, BTS Jungkook, SKz BangChan

Female Idols: TWICE Jihyo, CLC Seungyeon, RV Joy, Suzy, ÆSPA NingNing 

Flamboyant Natural: 

Male Idols: NCT Lucas, BTS RM, SKz Hyunjin

Female Idols: BP Lisa, A.S Uee, ÆSPA Giselle, AOA Hyejeong, EXID Hani

Soft Dramatic:

Male Idols: NCT Johnny, BTS Jin, ASTRO Cha Eunwoo

Female Idols: Twice Tzuyu, AOA Seolhyun, SNSD Seohyun

Dramatic:

Male Idols: EXO Sehun

Female Idols: A.S Nana

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, igotaboyonmychin said:

Jaw bone reduction isn't that popular in the West, I feel like the only group of people who actually do it is trans women because most of the time jaw shave is included in facial feminization surgery. With that being said, Sophie doesn't look any different in my opinion, she's still got a very strong jawline. If we're going to reach, I'd say bichectomy?

 

Sophie Turner had her chin shaved (it was irregular and longish/protruding before, now it’s short and perfectly blunt), a blepharoplasty, a bichectomy, a minor nosejob and subtle lip fillers. She literally went from looking charming, fresh and unique to looking 10 years older than she actually is, and that terrible blond shade isn’t helping.

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2 hours ago, nctinthehouse said:

I'm not sure what he did, but his nose definitely looks diff. Does anyone else think that he got his nose done during his hiatus?

I thought it was common knowledge among NCTzens he had had it done. It’s subtle, well done, but it is very much there.

His nostrils were more flared out before, the tip bulbous and the bridge rather low.

Judging by the shape of it and the way the heightened bridge seems to protrude I’m inclined to believe it is an implant that has been inserted, rather than fillers

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Also, should I have to bet my entire bank account on an idol being 100% ps free, including fillers and shit, it would be Mark.

 

He’s been literally the same person since the day he was born. I’m glad SM didn’t pull off a Dr. Kim with him

 

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2 hours ago, meeeplet said:

I think she got her eyes done at the bare minimum. I see a deep and high crease which I don't see in her predebuts. It looks to me like she naturally has slight, inner eyelids, but what I see now are far more noticeable and defined. 

Wonyoung's eyes now (it's possible she wears tape.):

Wonyoung's eyes predebut:

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More pics of Wonyoung's eyes.

Predebut:

More recently:

Filtered but I still see a higher and deeper crease.

 

I also think she's done something to her chin. She used to have a strong, and slightly "witchy" (for lack of a better term) chin. (I personally thought it was cute and added to the "hear-shaped" appeal of her face. I also think if she'd given it more time, she would've grown into her chin and ended up having a nice and strong jawline, which is all too rare among female idols.) As it is, it looks to me like she did something to her chin/jaw area. I now see a weaker, less protruding chin, that doesn't show up as dramatically when she smiles. (It's also less visibly pointed and more "blunt" looking.) I've seen speculation that this may have been a result of filler, but, correct me if I'm wrong, I think filler would've had the opposite? Made her chin stronger and pointer rather than weaker and less pronounced? This has me thinking we're in either the jaw shave or botox boat (like Cha Junho.) Because she's so young, like Junho, I'm praying it was not a jaw shave and simply botox to her jaw/chin area to weaken/relax the mandible muscles with maybe some help from fillers too.

Wonyoung's chin now:

Wonyoung's chin before:

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More pics of Wonyoung's chin before and after.

Before: 

More recently:

Comparison:

Fillers may also be at work here, as well as botox. I'm guessing botox to weaken her jaw and filler to soften the angles of chin. 

Also - I think her original chin structure (and eyes as well actually) was very similar to that of Rosé predebut, but I may be the only one.

I won’t say I’m shocked, since it’s Kpop. But she’s a literal child. And her before chin/ face shape was soooo pretty imo. She literally had an ultradefined Vline naturally, the procedure was so unnecessary and uncalled for.

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2 hours ago, meeeplet said:

Sehun had what looks like a nose job scar as a child before he even joined SM?

Close up:

 

I've seen this marking used for evidence of him having an alarplasty on this thread a long ways back.

 

Based off this "scar" in his left nostril, I too used to think he'd had his nose job. However, if he has had this marking since he was a child, I think it's incredibly unlikely that it is a nose job scar. I really wouldn't put anything past SM, but he hadn't even joined the company yet in this picture. I highly doubt he would've gotten a nose job as a child, especially given he wasn't a trainee yet. More likely, I think it's either a scar from something else, a birth mark of some sort, or just a patch discoloration. Now, he could have still had his nose done since joining SM, but this is really making me question whether or not he did. For one, this kind of scar is an alarplasty scar and an alarplasty was what I saw people speculating he had, not another sort of nose procedure, though I could be missing something. Two male idols who have this kind of scar are Rowoon and Younghoon, but they had wider noses to begin with. Now their noses are narrower, after they had their alars taken in. Sehun, on the other hand, never had a particularly wide nose and compared to his predebuts his alar area looks the same width, at least to me.

In general, I really don't see much change in his nose at all, though I could be missing something.

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Sehun's nose predebut:

 

Sehun's nose more recently:

Comparison:

 

I could be totally off, but I'm starting to think his nose might be natural?? (I think he has probably had double eyelid surgery on one eye (he used to have one monolid and one double eyelid, now both are double eyelids) and probably some botox and fillers over the years like the majority of idols.) Let me know what you guys think!

I absolutely love his nose and how prominent a feature it is on his face. It makes it all come together. He looks like no other male idol. And he corrected his eyelid assymetry, no doubt.

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51 minutes ago, meeeplet said:

Just for reference - I think these are real alarplasty scars. They're very faint, but there. Also, there are two of them. One in each nostril. Unlike Sehun who only has a marking in his left nostril.

Close up:

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Alarplasty scars:

Rowoon has them too:

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Close up:

 

Okay, I see it now, great eye. It was quite subtle a change.

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I was also wondering what Seolhyun might have had done. Whoever her surgeon was, they had the hands of a God. One of the most natural finishes I’ve seen in an idol.

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3 minutes ago, meeeplet said:

Oh I don't know if this is what you were thinking or not, but I actually provided the alarplasty pics to show that Sehun's scar isn't an alarplasty scar, in my opinion. (Because it's only on one nostril and he had it as a child.) I hope that makes sense! Sorry if it was confusing.

I see the scars in the photo you provided. The one where he has them on both nostrils. It wasn’t confusing, you actually convinced me he has probably had a touch up on his nose lol

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8 minutes ago, meeeplet said:

Younghoon (he was the both nostrils one), Rowoon (in the spoiler), or Sehun (the original post)?

I thought the first pic was Sehun I’m

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20 hours ago, Aryu said:

Wait I am confused - why do you guys think she had a jaw shave? She's always had a shorter chin in comparison to her forehead; now she's more evened out (look at the distance between her lips and chin). Her facial features are now less at the bottom of her face and more centered. It doesn't look to me like anything was taken away, besides maybe buccal fat reduction.

Here, in comparison, Maisie has the longer chin:

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Curious to hear why a blepharoplasty is suspected. Either way, she's absolutely stunning so whatever she did I approve lol

 

 

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The fat atop her eyelids is gone and they’re much more exposed now. That’s the bleph. Her nose is trimmer and less bulbous now. Went from having full cheeks (which she still had when she was almost twenty) to a hollowed, modelesque look. Her lips are slightly fuller. Her lopsided chin is gone, which has resulted in her face looking more square overall. I think she looks older than 24, and bichectomy is a procedure many people end up regretting. You look fab for some (short) years, then you start looking haggard and prematurely aged.

32 minutes ago, rananicolee said:

I've been watching Tiktok lately. Shhhh.

And someone I regularly watch is basically handsome squidward and yes he acknowledges it. His name is Levi Jed Murphy.

I know IG doesn't link but!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJwCKuUFf89/

 

He did this on purpose! I...I umm..I'm kind of loving his plastic surgery and he is so open to making fun of himself. 

Why did he do it? Was it his intention to look like that?

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She had her eyes reshaped via lateral canthoplasty for a foxy look, which combined with her unfortunate brow lift ended up giving her and extremely pulled back appearance, had a rhinoplasty, gets fillers regularly (still can’t forget the Rain On Me pillowface alongside Lady Gaga, utterly tragic) and has a jaw implant (she had a dainty, fairy like jawline before). I guess it was all in the hope of looking sexier and more mature. I’m kinda really pissed at how she and many Ig models, artists and influencers play the ethnically ambiguous card. 

23 minutes ago, KentasGlittery EyeMakeup said:

Her face looks so tight and her eyes seem to be very pulled back. She does look Blasian now, which is weird considering she's Italian American.

 

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49 minutes ago, jelly said:

i think blinks would have an easier time accepting the fact that lisa’s had a nose job if antis didnt use it as a drag. whenever theres a fight going on a lot of people bring up her old pictures and make fun of her nose. theyd call her monkey, transgender, etc. blinks usually post photos like these to “prove” shes plastic free. the people who dont have a good eye would be convinced

and with karina i think most western fans cant grasp the fact that a literal child would get so much done at a young age. if you told her fans karina got her eyes, nose, jaw, fillers done before the age of 19 theyd find it hard to believe because its absurd. 

I’m far from being a Lisa stan, but the amount of disgusting comments this woman gets just for breathing I’ve literally seen white Kpop fans act racist towards SEA idols in the fashion of entitled South Koreans of The Master Asian Race, they’re abhorrent.

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10 minutes ago, Dilettante said:

 

I hope this is an optical illusion. What the fuck, it’s like there is a piece of bone missing. Why fuck her up so badly? I honestly feel for her and wonder what it must have been like to get told to get her jaw bone scraped down. The standard is utterly ridiculous at this point.