Official Plastic Surgery Thread

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12 minutes ago, neo velvet said:

jeongyeon is very popular in korea actually, just not so much internationally. in korea people often mention her as one of the main visuals of the group and she definitely ticks all the boxes for korean beauty standards. her androgynous charm has secured her lots of fangirls, but i've never seen anyone say she looks masculine. it's more like krystal at her peak and how she was a massive heartthrob among women, while still being regarded as very feminine (as opposed to someone like amber). 

i personally don't see any resemblance between her and yuta/taeyong (or between yuta and taeyong themselves lol) but i assume people saying that mean it in a flattering way.

 

 

yeah yuta got his nosejob before debut (i remember being taken back by how different he looked from his previous self on "abnormal summit") and it was completely unnecessary imo. his natural nose just complimented his face so much better.

there's no way sm (or any company for that matter) would've let taeil debut with his original nose, but i might've actually preferred it over his current one.

they both have the kind of nosejob you can spot from a mile away, even without seeing the before pics, just because of how impossibly straight and narrow at the tip compared to the base it is. it doesn't slope out towards their nostrils in a natural way, it just continues straight down to the tip, creating a very squidward-esque look.

1) have zero idea about kfanbase leave the GP(though I do think Jeongyeon is infinitely more popular with the GP) but Jeongyeon is seen as "not so attractive" in the general English speaking Kpop fanbase as well as the male thirsty neckbeard fanclub(I have seen the posts in that Kpopthirst subreddit) which also makes up for significant fanbase of Twice and are responsible for actual sales/traction more than casual GP fans.

Jeongyeon might have a lot of casual fans/recognition in the GP But it doesn't translate to Dedicated Fanbase(From what I've seen she's one of the least popular even among Korean Kpop fans aka the ones who collect stuff which is significantly made up of teenage girls).

I think the bigger question will be what's the purchasing power(or rather, what's the amount of money fans are willing to spend behind an idol) of her fans are willing to pool behind her. While I don't have Twice's stats in particular apart from SNSD girl groups hardly beat Boybands in that area as girls themselves are more likely to spend behind their opposite sexes.

I personally feel like Snsd members were also chosen to be more actively serve as male fantasies than Twice members kinda like AKB48's biggest sales come from Japanese Incel men hooked to AVs.

Jeongyeon doesn't look masculine- but she's not regarded as a classic Asian Beauty on the lines of Tzuyu either By the i-fans(both men and women).

But the initial short hair look as well as pushing her as a more androgynous member did make many fans see her as a male figure/pseudo-oppa and a chunk of those fans left after she decided for a more feminine fashion style.

Also I've heard complaints(primarily from male Incels but also some female fans with internalised misogyny) how she comes off as way too bossy.

Ultimately it's her lack of push from the management that is causing issues for her. She's supposed to be a lead vocalist but doesn't get lines, isn't considered Conventionally beautiful by a chunk of fans so Doesn't get pushed visually as well, personality-wise also she's not very extroverted and/or cup of tea for all( Dahyun and Chaeyeon are also considered "ugly" but they have a more mass-friendly personality).

I think I kinda like Jeongyeon because she accurately highlights the issue that I've always felt - female celebrities never get the desired attention as compared to men unless they fit the male gaze and the established gender roles in the society to the T. 

Lol, actually I noticed Yuta because he looked Like Jeong lol. Many fans have mentioned their similarities in looks (as well as her similarity with Taeyong)

Check Chain MV. Both TY and YT looks like JY there

I think Amber is considered less attractive on a looks basis by female Kpop i-fans than Jeongyeon( there was a thread on One of the Kpop forums or even reddit that I read when Twice first debuted though I wasn't a fan back then). Also I don't think Amber is necessarily masculine though(a lot of girls have short hair and likes to play football) she is deliberately presented as a tomboy/masculine figure.

Now I sometimes wonder how things would've stacked up if both JY and Amber were male idols (since male idols are definitely more privileged when it comes to deviance atleast in Kpop) as both of them definitely have been talked behind the back and mocked for looking 'shemale' by antis and even some so called fans of the groups they belong to.

 

 

2) I don't see much difference between Taeil pre and post debuts to the point I initially thought he was PS free.

It did not improve his looks at all so it was probably better to launch him with his original nose.

Yuta's implant is right into the uncanny valley teritory. Maybe if he thought his nose was way too flat, should've tried fillers or nose threading. The implant is way too obvious and throws his visuals of the balance(not to mention visible nose job scars that are apparent even in video for a distance).

I think he did his first nose job even before Abnormal Summit either right after entering SM or even in Japan. 

 

5 hours ago, Flywithsica said:

yes

 

Wow she was much prettier without PS.

 

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2 minutes ago, abra said:

Yeri is looking great recently imo

She's serving Mariyagi looks

She did a boob job?

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13 minutes ago, fullofjoy said:

Jeongyeon is actually quite popular. She 4th/5th most popular. She ranked 4 year straight GallUp. Nayeon, Tzuyu & Jeongyeon are only members to ever do so + she always on brand reputation compare to the other members. She use rank high amount who females fan like the most.

These are general public recognition parameters right? I have no idea about Korean GP since I don't speak Korean.

What I am saying is Jeongyeon's popularity is very niche and that a big chunk of her fans left(this is international aka most SE Asian and South Asian and Middle Eastern fans) after she stopped being the "manly/girl crush" (depends on who you ask) and currently has no other niche to fill in the group though she is talented because of lack of opportunity.

What I'm pointing out is a male idol in JY's position would get much more traction in the fanbase than what JY is getting even if your estimate of her being 4th/5th popular is correct aka the inherent bias of female fans Towards female idols.

It is also a point towards larger groups with many members who don't get lines or screentime but are simply there to attract more fans- that such strategies won't work for female groups unless you highly sexualise the Filler members(like Nana from After School though she's not technically filler) to attract Incel men as More girls are likely to be attracted to a boyband than men are likely to Stan a girl group. Heck men are more likely to Stan rock bands comprised of men than they're likely to Stan girl groups.

But opposite sex fans are also the biggest moneybags. Any girl group that can bag thirsty male fans are always going to be relevant. This is why SNSD was so big it had a huge male fanbase.

Even in Twice the so called sexy members like Momo Tzuyu are more relevant when it comes to GP recognition and individual sales.

Heck even openly filler members like Sana are pushed more visually because she is more attractive to the male gaze.

Jeongyeon was actually one of the most popular members when Twice debuted but her relevance and popularity has been going down and she is considered "Less conventionally beautiful according to the generic male gaze"(unlike Tzuyu).

Even Itzy which is marketed as Girl crush has Yena as a potential sex symbol and Even Izone tried to push Wonyoung as one(*eyeballs*)

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7 hours ago, lighterxx said:

Rip, if it helps Taeyong is so heavily promoted it would be weirder for him to not be popular, so don't be sad comparing her with Taeyong, bcs that would be very unfair ;-;

Otherwise it's a shame considering how talented she is rip, I hope her fanbase get it together bcs its plain sad to Stan someone bcs they are a lookalike

I think in her peak She was way more massive than Taeyong/Yuta ever were even now in the general Kpop i-fanbase(TY is very well known but I don't think he's very well liked) 

Jeongyeon's initial popularity was that she was being pushed as somewhat of a male "oppa" figure.

Infact Back then she had more dedicated fans than even Tzuyu( I only started being her fan from BDZ though) despite minimal lines.

My point is more on the lines that female idols don't get the same support from fans unless they're serving to the male gaze and that female fans support their male biases more than they do to their female biases(If any).

Male artistes on whole gets more support than female artistes tbh and that it is infinitely more easier for a boyband to gain attention than a girl band(even a so called girl crush band which serves inspiration to girls).

I made the visual comparison between Jeongyeon and Yuta/Taeyong because JY is often considered one of the least "conventionally attractive" members of Twice and has struggled to get male fans(opposite gender fans are the ones who spend more) while the latter duo who are part of a popular boyband are obviously deemed handsome and find it way easier to get fangirls (when even an ugly vile person Like Shindong has fangirls it is possible for every male idol to get oppalogist fangirls who will defend their oppa at every position).

Girls also get it harder to be forgiven after a mistake and it is female fans/consumers themselves who are the most judgemental and harsh.

Given the treatment Jeongyeon has been getting from the management for a while now(regarding her participation in music and variety activities) and recently her Injury and consequent hiatus, the whimper around her has been more or less muffled.

For a member of one of the biggest girl groups in the world, the amount of muted reactions around this is kind of disheartening.

(Ofcourse twice is less popular internationally than Blackpink or even Red Velvet so maybe I'm overreacting).

But isn't it true that Boybands find it easy to find popularity and spotlight and accumulate dedicated fanbases willing to pay for every shit management sells?

Even in male bigger bands Many members struggle to find lines and screentime but even the ugliest boyband members find it easier to get fangirls and many do gain fangirls just because "they're underrated".

I wonder if Twice was a male group, Fangirls would have bombarded JYP building with complaints against JY's mistreatment by now and wrote petitions on change.org.

Jeongyeon(and many other cases) are the reason I don't support bigger groups that they fail to give attention to all members and it gets upto the members to attract attention using their own Social media.

Since JYP doesn't let the girls do other solo activities too, it ends up worse for Neglected members.

Atleast in smaller groups like Itzy or even BP, more introverted members like Lia/Chaeryeong And Jisoo get lines and screentime even if they fall back in popularity but for bigger groups, it's just zilch.

PS: Sorry for the huge Continuous rants but this was something that was on my mind for a long long time.

 

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4 minutes ago, justarandomfellow284 said:

Jesus christ her face looks so stiff... As if it's hard to smile because of all the botox 

She's only 21 and so much botox....I feel sad since she's naturally pretty.

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1 hour ago, lighterxx said:

If I'm not mistaken this is the initial digitals for ggs physicals for bg idea. Before, this was the idea for this theory. Bgs get more dedicated fanbase, in exchange public checks them out less because they assume they are selling themselves (Koreans have a weird mindset about idols). For ggs, they were checked out far more and did better digitally, because both sexes were willing to listen them, instead of only females like bgs. Now, with produce series and BTS this ideal is more or less wrecked apart. That's why, ggs all try to create really really strong fanbases just like bgs do. 

 

I think depends on scandals. For something like bullying bgs have alot easier time than ggs. For something like dating, things that can wreck apart bg fandoms, is seen far more calmly with ggs. Imagine Taeyong dating news, similar to Momo. His fandom would eat him raw and he would not be able to promote peacefully ever again unless SM is stubborn about promoting him.

And I think you feel extra sad because you are comparing fandoms. Its something I mistakenly did as well, but every fandom structure is different from each other. For example NCTzens and Blinks go crazy daily about literally at a sight of anything unfair, so don't compare onces with them. Carats took like 4-5 years to ask for more equal lines for Jun, so it definitely depends on what type of fandom it is and what type of idols they are. Twice is type of group that is pretty open, therefore majority of its fandom thinks of going them to first before any type of wish. Its same for us too, we literally @ cheol before objecting anything pledis does. On the other hand BP and NCT talked about company restrictions or unfounded rumours about cbs, lineups so much, their fandom is extra protective against them. Basically fandom nature really really creates a difference in such situations.

I do agree about Jeongyeon getting too few lines tho, which I assume due to structure of their songs and individual member popularity. For ggs individual popularity is everything, so while not doing any solo activities as groups is logical for bgs, its very illogical for ggs. But it seems to be something jyp insists on from what I saw with itzy. 

Lastly I don't mind rants feel free to do so. You are a gg Stan and I'm a bg Stan so our talks will surely be interesting somehow

1) I don't think GGs will have the crazy fanbases BGs command in recent future on a large scale. I think Only BlackPink commands that craziness and it's partially because of inflated promotions that YG do.( A lot of BP fans are also company stans)

 

Though I personally think KPop is eventually going to be restricted more to a female dominated niches instead Of being also catered to a diverse group of horny Men.

So While Female bands will be seen as role models for girls the Boybands will be seen more of a boyfriend material

2)2) there was a time dating news was extremely sensitive piece of info to leak.
Check Minami Minegishi AKB48.

Right now I think the GP/casual fans are more sensitive towards bullying scandals and similar incidents than dating but I think it also cumulates upto company support.

Taeyong is not that popular/boyfriend material Like Baekhyun was. In NCT none is tbh. Yuta tries but he's too old by now that NCT is finally booming so maybe Haechan/Jaemin(HC I personally find too unattractive).

I think GGs as a whole have a more tolerant/diverse/relaxed fanbase.

Imo, I understand why some members would get less lines as they might not be as vocally talented but as long as they're compensated elsewhere with screentime/outside solo work it's okay.

Like half of SNSD aka it's dance line was absolute crap when it comes to singing and they received very less lines as well.

But I didn't think it was unfair because most of them were weak singers and also because they were being compensated elsewhere or atleast had sex appeal to draw In male fans enough.

I feel sad for JY because she doesn't get lines/screentime/solo work despite being talented.

Sana I find a filler actually the group can actually do without her but she still gets pushed visually.

Actually sometimes I feel like JY doesn't get much lines because her (deeper) tone doesn't fit Twice's concepts much more than individual popularity.

(she used to be one of the top3 Popular ones when she debuted and was also recognised by GP)  

Never really followed Seventeen except Jeonghan so I don't know about that fanbase at all.

I think Pledis is also a smaller company that's why the fanbase is more relaxed.

 

 

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4 hours ago, todoripril said:

i saw tzuyu stans angry these days i didn't know jeongyeon had problems too nnn i feel like onces themselves have favorites in the group not only the company that's why they don't find something wrong 

What issue (that she's being mistreated)? Funny when Twice debuted stans of other members hated Tzuyu and her stans because she was seen as Suzy 2.0.

Now that anger has mostly shifted towards Nayeon lmaoo.

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2 hours ago, lighterxx said:

Ugh that's true, but I saw it as something common considering how akgae filled other fandoms are, but since twice has more members, it truly can create a bias

Akgae fans happen because of mainly disproportionate attention between members and also as seen nowadays, excessive numbers of members as well.

I think only SNSD really didn't have akgae fan problem despite some of its members getting disproportionate amount of lines because those members were also regarded as ugly/untalented and thus liable to be avoided.

Twice's issue is many fans(including me) think that so called less talented members are getting More attention than they deserve.

Like In SNSD Yoona never really got lines and her screentime in videos were also quite limited though she had a lot of outside work and well-regarded by the GP.

And proportionate to her talents people including her fans were satisfied with the amount of exposure she had in the group because they knew her limitations.

But in Twice Tzuyu got lines and screentime right from the start apart from being pushed as Suzy 2.0 which additionally annoyed traumatised solo stans of other members.

Jihyo is one of the least popular members but I haven't seen many being angry on Her being pushed as main vocalist and leader because she's regarded as pretty/pleasant to the eyes Vis a Vis Nayeon whom I suspect gets a lot more brickbats primarily because they don't find her as pleasant on eyes apart from the OTT push the management gives her both musically and visually.

(actually reminds me of the Taeyeon/Tiffany dynamics in late SNSD fandom- people were okay with Taeyeon getting Max lines and screentime but found Tiffany off-putting)

 

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2 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

I dont think fans would find their bias ugly or untalented. Majority of the fans I saw even has huge belief their bias is most talented. I think it's more of a case of making bias obvious. yooa might not get most lines but she got alot of center or hit lines, therefore allowing her fans to be satisfied. For twice both hit lines and most lines are taken by same people, that's what causes imbalance I believe. 

Talking about GP/Casual fans.

Also SNSD is older and from what I've seen had many male fans who were only there for thirsting.

Also SNSD members and management were pretty much clear about their individual limitations so I think fans were also more accepting of the imbalance in line/screentime distribution. SM compensated the members who received less lines with outside solo work.

I think apart from the disproportionate line distribution it is the talent Vs visual issue that also bugs twice. People were upset with Tzuyu receiving more lines because she wasn't deemed as talented and now Nayeon isn't that well liked because she isn't deemed as that pretty.

JY always received the least lines in Twice but earlier she got noticed because she was seen as Amber 2.0 and thus played a role.

Now she switched to a more "feminine" fashion so doesn't have either lines nor play a role which is why she's not getting that much noticed.

 

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53 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

She is great tbh ,but her role is not main vocal, so I barely heard her singing long enough for me to have any opinions T^T I blame jyp for that 

I think Jeongyeon is more of a lounge singer and certainly not a belter that some of her other fans pretend her to be.

She's a good singer, but tbh the one Twice can do without despite their need for a power vocalist- She's not the Solar/Solji style vocalist many expect her to (I'm her fan and I appreciate her for who she is anyways so I don't mind)

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When do you think Renjun did his nose job? From Chewing Gum to Ridin' it was pretty consistent.

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4 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

To be honest we need more pics of him to determine, as well as most recent so it's best to wait for his CB instead of guessing now o.o 

There's definitely some change in him like his face looks older and puffier and I thought he put fillers.

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4 hours ago, lighterxx said:

No fillers (minus his chin he INSISTS on), his face thinned out instead of getting bloated. I also realized he is so tired generally (his eyes are almost always puffy but in a natural way) but I cannot think of anything but cheek fat removal. But the thing is his cheeks sometimes look normal same old same old, but sometimes too thin idk how that happens unless he randomly gets bloated (this happens day to day basis, so unless there is a filler that passes in 1 day, its not ps) idk T^T I'm confused

 

His cheeks here look small^

And his cheeks here look full

 

 

 

I've not met any artist yet whose looks were improved significantly with the use of chin fillers.

Max it made them look the same before and worse, actually degraded their look

One of the most pointless fillers ever

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23 hours ago, lighterxx said:

He honestly looks far better without them, I have 0 idea why he insists on those, I guess he feels like he needs sharper features since his features are very very soft (which you can tell better next to that Doyoung selfie he took with!!) I also noticed he has a very small head size (sounds weird I know) so I guess he is more liberate with fillers bcs of that, since no one will hate comment on his head size even if he gets fillers. 

This is the pic^

Doesn't Fillers make your face look even for softer? I remember Nayeon started taking them because she lost weight and her face had risk of becoming too bony so fillers helped soften her face(apparently) for a cuter image.

I think a lot of celebrities take fillers they work so hard the stress reflects on their face and gives them wrinkles so they use fillers to look fresh(er).

 

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16 hours ago, wap said:

Has chenle done something to his jaw it looks different

Personally suspect a bichectomy 

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2 hours ago, wap said:

 

 

his nose got shorter and they made the tip super small 

his jaw from this

 

 

 

to this

 

 

 

Its hard finding good pictures of his jaw but i hope you see it. I really do not want to sound rude and i say this as someone who has been biasing Renjun since dream came out, HE DIDN'T NEED ANY OF THIS!!!the nose job and whatever they did to his jaw was completely 100% not needed. I swear if Renjun was 5`10 he would be crazy popular and IMHO i think he has the best male idol face during boom era. His nose was already perfect and his jaw (or say chin) was prominent but only if you look close enough (it wasn't even big). His face was so natural looking and fresh. a whole cutie. I know it's not my face to care but why does it hurt to see?

 

LOOK

 

 

 

SM when I get my fucking hands on you! Anyways I really hope he made this choice himself..

Renjun's issue is not his height, but the fact that he looks like an isolated Nerdy ricecel that in real life would shoo any girl away and given how his face been progressing, would end up looking like a Chaebol Uncle whom again girls would avoid and his only recourse would be either to get a mail order bride or become a 40yr old virgin.

I believe he's trying to go for a sexy, seductive mature image and the nose job/jaw shave and other procedures if any is aimed for him to achieve a more sexier/mature/outgoing image in future.

Now whether it would work is the question or not but isn't it true that Renjun is one of the least popular in Dream because he's not that outgoing? I mean I consider Haechan Ugly but he's atleast outgoing which helps him getting fangirls.

There's a lot of competition in NCT Given SM's eventual plan of having senbatsu shitshow so I get why Renjun will get pressured.

(I think with glasses in the From Home stage he looks like MAMAMOO Moonbyul.

Heck I saw his photo from that stage in another person's dp and thought it was Moonbyul)

PS: I didn't mean to say he's ugly, but Simply that Renjun gives off a nerdy vibe that is not most girl's cup of tea and is likely to be an acquired taste.

I actually like him and he's my favourite in Dream but that's because I'm more into nerdy thoughtful introverted guys.

Edited October 26, 2020 by UrmiUndone
People might misconstrue my ricecel comment

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5 hours ago, abra said:

Bringing back an old favourite of this thread to say that Jeongyeon was the highlight of "I Can't Stop Me". She really killed it with the chorus. Posting this here because it seems the most relevant thread for it.

 

Also on topic, did she get surgery? She looked different for the teaser photos and maybe for the MV but I don't follow her so idk if there's actually any change.

Yeah she's heavily featured in the MV but not in the song actually it's very easy to miss her if you listen the song only as her chorus gets overlapped by Nayeon's adlibs.

She did chin fillers from what I'm seeing and maybe dermal fillers around her smile line

Her face looks stiff and the chin one is jutting out her face is small so it looks bad 

 

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On 10/26/2020 at 11:28 AM, justarandomfellow284 said:

Renjun always looks like a kid to me lol 

He kinda looks like my cousin's boss(Aditya Shukla of Bain Consultancy) Tbh.

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On 10/26/2020 at 7:29 AM, wap said:

Hey be nice to Renjun! I am still sad about the work done on his face. Btw how would slimming your jaw and nose make u look masculine/seductive? If anything it makes you look feminine since it is softening your features. Haechan is the only outgoing dreamie everyone else is quiet. I never said Renjun wasn't famous? Where is the Renjun nerd narrative coming from lol you're only saying this cause he is short. Renjun does look feminine at times but doesn't every male idol with their dyed hair and makeup too?

Renjun can look manly depending on his styling

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol I don't really care about height because I'm short too and he's still taller than me.

But tbh, I always got nerdy vibes from him out of all NCT members for some reason.

He's not bad looking, but he just has a Chaebol owner appeal that is likely an acquired taste.

Also I don't think he really looks feminine tbh The only dreamie I think looks feminine is Jaemin lol.

 

 

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Sorry if it's out of topic- but is it there a way to get all photos of a certain Idol(say airport pics,photoshoots, social media updates, TV show appearances,concerts, live performances etc) from debut till now in onehallyu? Finding one such thread for Jeongyeon Momo Doyoung NCT Joshua(Seventeen)

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28 minutes ago, wap said:

no clue i am new here. btw what do u think renjun has done? do u agree with the jaw shave and nose job? 

Nose job yes jaw shave not sure might be bichectomy+botox as well.

The issue with jaw shaves is that it doesn't fit most people and it also really don't age well. I think the only person Who I believe kinda benefitted from jaw shave is Jaehyun lmaoo.

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27 minutes ago, Owlet said:

Maybe NCT's mark? or Jisung? I can't see any difference between their older pictures and how they currently look unlike most members, but you never know. 

I was also about to mention Seulgi but I think she might've played with fillers/botox a few years ago but I'm not so certain about that...

Jisung nose is suspect.

Possibly Mark has double eyelid surgery as well so only Amber At this point I believe .

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4 hours ago, Owlet said:

Yeah I agree that amber is most likely all natural. I can see why Jisung's nose could be sus, however, I never really questionned mark's eyes, but I'm usually sus of double eyelids since it's one of those simpler procedures that can give a very natural result if done right so you could be right on that as well.

I was also gonna say sulli but I could've sworn people were speculating about her getting a boobjob at some point but I'm not sure, I usually focus on the face more.

Amber is natural not only because she dislikes cosmetic surgeries but also because of the image they created for her(aka masculine/androgynous) so I think SM didn't put much thought/attention on her looks since they were not sure about how her initial reception would be.

(I wonder How popular Amber is though she is very recognised by The GP partly because of her unique image and looks because Most people I know regardless of gender find her not so appealing in terms of looks)

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1 minute ago, yorimeme said:

i dont stan but im pretty sure ateez's san is 100% natural no ps or fillers or botox from what i can see 

Lmaoo Ateez had one of the most Obvious PS in Kpop.

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On 10/30/2020 at 8:19 PM, fullofjoy said:

All of ITZY

All TWICE expect for Nayeon (nose job). I was going to say Jeongyeon too but she starting getting fillers (?) this year. However they will wore far, so I'm not gonna consider it.

All of Blackpink expect for Lisa (Nose, lip & eye)

Jeong didn't need the filler she was so cute without them.

I think Jisoo Is the most natural one out of them.

Rose and Jennie appear plastic sometimes