Official Plastic Surgery Thread

[Jikrytae]

Just now, Kabana said:

Lmao it looks like you need glasses too honey, because my first sentence literally says “you are entitled to disagree”. So not sure where you come to that conclusion that I expect everyone to agree with me.

Well I think they look similar so idk what else to hell ya.  

And you are entitled to continue getting clowned. I don't know why you even bothered trying to appeal to sympathy with that attitude. People think you're wrong, get over it.

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9 minutes ago, Kabana said:

As I mention before people are entitled to disagree with me so I have nothing to get over lmao.

And I’m not trying to appeal to sympathy, I’m just simply calling you out on your lack of comprehension to what I said

And I’m entitled to call you out on your lack of comprehension of my posts, get over it. 

Now we're using the ol' "lack of comprehension" excuse, a perennial favorite amongst people who can't admit when they've shared a shit opinion. No, I understood perfectly that you said something laughably inaccurate, and then I completely understood the insolent whining that came after people dared to disagree with you. Yep, my comprehension box is working just fine. Now stop already, I'm getting second-hand embarrassment off of you. 

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1 minute ago, Kabana said:

Lmao its hilarious how you try to mask me calling you out as an “excuse”. I made it clear in my first sentence that people are entitled to disagree with me and you keep deflecting that you failed to read that and keep going with the rhetoric “people can disagree with you” 

So no your comprehension box is not working well. And no love, I’m the one getting second hand embarrassment off you

That's all it is, an excuse. You're calling me out because you're looking for a scapegoat, someone to blame for the poor reaction to your post. But at least half-a-dozen other people have clowned you besides myself, so your efforts are sadly misguided. Do something productive instead, like calling your nearest eye specialist.

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3 minutes ago, Kabana said:

Nope not an excuse mate. I’m calling you out cause you are too hard headed to see you misread my post. So maybe you call your eye specialist. I made it clear that people can disagree with me but your eyes just incapable of reading the rest of what I said, and just the parts that benefit your flawed rhetoric 
 

Want me to help you find a specialist? 

Not unless they're a specialist in pest control, because I could use one of those right about now. 

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Just now, Kabana said:

Me too. I need extra strength~

You should be looking for a ghost writer, if anything, so you don't have to keep regurgitating the other person's insults and then acting like you did something. 

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35 minutes ago, Lyanna15171 said:

Are you guys really arguing this much over whether someone looks like Tzuyu? 

Not quite the proper reading of what's transpired here, but don't worry, I've grown bored of watching them struggle.

 

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58 minutes ago, miwa201 said:

lol I fail to see how it's offensive. It would be offensive if she wasn't biracial, but Somi IS white, and Asian. She's both. With the photos OP posted, and the ones I referred to, she leans now more to her white side. You're the one who thinks I meant something bad by it lmao. In my opinion she looked better before but it's got nothing to do with her race, I simply prefer her old look to her new one.

You said "Somi was prettier before imo. She looks more white now." You can't really blame anyone for thinking you meant something racist, because the way you wrote it, the second thought reads like an elaboration on the first, as in "she was prettier before because she looked less white." You even separated those two sentences from the rest of your text, and only those two.

Edited October 12, 2021 by Jikrytae

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10 minutes ago, sooa_t said:

she looks really different, I'm not that into momoland but I can see that they did a lot to her face and it's sad because she's a really cute girl

She had already gotten a lot of work done previously, some of which had clearly failed. She's trying to fix it.

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6 minutes ago, pinkpanda_spirit said:

Happens a lot of time I’m pretty sure.. like I already said here few months ago if I posted a pic of my boyfriend’s face, especially forehead, everyone would be analysing it and saying he had a forehead implant. Same with that french youtubeur whose pics I posted here (and got massively clowned) and said that she looked like a different person now (her facial features are more prominent) but she didin’t have any procedure and it could be the same for some celebrities.

When users use hypothetical phrases or « I think » it’s good, we fine. But when users are like « x? Oh yeah he got this, this and that » it makes me so mad like how tf can you be so sure? And naive / new users blindly believe them and ask them about other idols as if they had innate knowledge or they had a drink with their surgeon. (Also correct me if I’m wrong but these celebs could sue you for this. Not like they visited this forum but you got me. I think kim jongkook talked about this kind of things on that video he made with his lawyer).

Unless the poster in question is Korean, I don't think there's much they could realistically do from a legal standpoint. If they are, then they could possibly nail them for libel or something similar, as free speech doesn't really seem to be a thing there yet. But yeah, you've summed up some of the things that have made this thread into a complete dumpster fire at times. The overconfident armchair surgeons, the instant praise & clique mentality that form around such persons who manage to convincingly fabricate an air of expertise, the dogs consequently being let loose on anyone who disagrees with them, and the people who throw a fit just because someone disagrees with their speculation or clowns them for it; It's almost as funny as it is predictable.

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5 hours ago, elseelseelse2 said:

As a big Seulgi fan, I think she might've had a pre-debut nose job:

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vs.

https://tenor.com/view/seulisasoo-seulgi-red-velvet-kang-seulgi-gif-22706297

The tip became less bulbous and the nostrils were brought in.

 

Unlike the newer image, her nose isn't in a neutral position in those screencaps. Her nostrils flare when she smiles (which they still do.) Looks the same to me.

 

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42 minutes ago, chewyandminnie said:

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-single-female-K-pop-idol-who-hasnt-had-plastic-surgery-or-even-non-invasive-surgery/answer/Lyra-Lee-22?comment_id=247841328&comment_type=2

behold the delulu stan of the day. i literally went ahead and explained why tzuyu is not natural, and then she went full delulu and kept on linking that video of the japanese surgeon that said tzuyu is natural, and also her mom apparently saying tzuyu is natural... like they do know ppl can lie right? i even gave her visual proof from one of the pages in this thread and she still didn't believe me delulu stans are honestly the worst.

There is no "proof" contained within this thread, only speculation, which is exactly what you're doing now, speculating. You don't know that she's had plastic surgery any more than they know that she hasn't. That said, I've still yet to see a convincing argument that she isn't natural, and your "look at this person on another site who is clearly wrong!" non-argument isn't doing anything to change that. 

 

36 minutes ago, chewyandminnie said:

also, seulgi's nose is suspicious:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUNFXqPpdm6/?utm_medium=copy_link

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZhjLVxvgcl/?utm_medium=copy_link

I'm afraid you're going to have to be (a lot) more specific. As I showed a few pages back, her nose has been shaped like this since childhood. 

Edited February 12, 2022 by Jikrytae

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7 hours ago, chewyandminnie said:

okay, but if the changes are already there, visible, and you know those changes cannot rlly explained by puberty, am i supposed to ignore it and keep saying or believing that she is natural? are the small changes not considered proof enough, or do the changes have to be as big and obv as kim kardashian's ass to be considered believable? that's one of the reasons why so many celebrities can keep on getting away with lying and duping their fans with whatever procedures they have done by hiding behind the whole "it's just speculation!!" shield, and ofc some fans just take it lying down and refuse to use their eyes. a lot of ariana stans are like this.

also, aren't u the same user some peeps here were arguing abt jiyeon's and also tzuyu's procedures and u kept on denying them? i would tell u more abt what i see from seulgi's nose but judging from your previous responses... eh.

Are there visible changes? Because I don't see any other than what's likely typical, natural aging (and weight loss.) You're supposed to convince me that there are irrefutable, visible changes that aren't natural, not bemoan the fact that they aren't obvious enough to be irrefutable, thereby proving my point in the process. If you can't somehow prove beyond any doubt that it's anything more than mere speculation, then you can't expect me to accept it as anything more than that. Being overly sure of yourself without providing anything to back it up, other than recycling the unconvincing arguments of another OH user who likes to exaggerate, isn't doing you any favors. I know you came in here fully expecting everyone to give you a standing ovation for showing us all how "delulu" another random person on the Internet is for not believing your unverified opinions, but that isn't how this works. So yes, I'm going to continue "denying" it, because you've given me no reason not to. And you won't tell me more, because you're not willing to make the effort, you just want to be snarky and use this subject to get one over on people. Toxic behavior. 

Edited February 12, 2022 by Jikrytae

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15 hours ago, chewyandminnie said:

really? are you for real? bc if i recall correctly, the person whom you last argued with in the past few pages actually gave you evidence and even explanations as to what had changed (i don't recall if it was the one with jiyeon or tzuyu) and yet you still outright denied it stating you saw no changes (when even i saw it for myself).

feel free to look into that quora link i have left above. not sure if the comment itself is on top, but there should be a comment there with attached comparison photos as to what has changed in tzuyu's face. i would post the screenshots for your convenience, but since that was taken from a user's post from this same thread, just go and search up that post using the search engine with the thread name and tzuyu's name, lmao.

I hadn't argued with anyone recently until you came along, so I have no idea what you're even talking about. I'm now convinced you just want to stir up trouble though, especially with your peculiar focus on conversations that happened months ago. What's wrong, did you forget the password for your other account?  And stop complimenting yourself, it's embarrassing.

I'm not going to bother looking through posts you literally copied & pasted from a previous debate on this very thread that I myself participated in. That would be the epitome of wasting my time, just like this entire conversation and the first time we had it. You obviously have no other basis for your regurgitated opinions, so moving on... 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Jikrytae

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11 hours ago, elseelseelse2 said:

This doesn't prove Tzuyu had anything done, but her mother does own a plastic surgery clinic. So if she had a rhinoplasty at 15 years old, her mother could have easily arranged it.

People keep bringing this up while completely ignoring the fact that they aren't South Korean. A mother encouraging her own daughter to get plastic surgery would be highly unusual in Taiwan, whether she owns a clinic or not. It's a completely different culture with completely different views & tendencies. It's not like she would be a paying customer either. I'm also not sure how she would arrange it when they were living in two different countries at the time. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Jikrytae

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22 hours ago, AstroBaby said:

um, from what I've seen of Taiwanese actors/actresses beauty standards don't really seem less intense than SK which would probably encourage plastic surgery among those who want to be famous which Tzuyu did want. Mothers of young entertainers are often quite different than regular mothers in their decisions, the percentage of stage-mothers in LA who let their aspiring teen influencer or actress get work done, is likely much higher than the average U.S percentage. It's highly unusual in Taiwan to let your 15 year old live alone in a different country to pursue a pop career so idk why cultural standards would stop her in the case of PS. Especially when it could easily be justified with "they'll might encourage you to get PS anyway so why don't you get it done here with me and doctors I trust than when you're alone and can hardly understand what the doctors are saying/doing" or "you're already stunning but this tweak will make you perfect so you'll have to debut!"

Just compare the rates and cultural views in each country. With South Korea, we're talking about a country where more than a quarter of the populations in major cities has had plastic surgery. You're not going to find anything like that elsewhere, not even in another major outlier like LA, although I don't think either comparison is appropriate here. It's not like she's from Taiwan's equivalent of LA, where everyone purposely goes seeking fame. That cultural influence wouldn't be present. Your hypothetical is also nigh impossible, as it would have needed to be done even earlier, before she even left for Korea, with her mother acting preemptively, having no idea what JYP even thinks yet. The logic just isn't there. It also doesn't even address the accusations that she's been getting boat loads of work done post-debut. 

20 hours ago, Iljin Oppa said:

Anyone else notice how Taeyeon's starting to look kinda Karina esque?
 

 

SM needs to keep this Kwangya AI bullshit in the aespaverse and leave their other artists out of it.

I don't see the relevance. Taeyeon was already getting work done when Karina was still in nappies, and I seriously doubt SM even tries telling her what to do at this point. That's all her. 

Edited February 13, 2022 by Jikrytae

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52 minutes ago, zhvero said:

 

 

 

Thanks for sharing your theme song with us, but it's sadly off-topic. We wouldn't want to spoil this little echo chamber for you and your clown car of alt accounts with extra noise pollution now, would we? 

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9 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

Thank you.

You're not half as cunning as you think yourself to be. I'm not THAT invested in chatting you up, sorry to disappoint.

And yet here you are. 

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1 hour ago, elseelseelse2 said:

I mean, I do think there are some natural - or nearly natural - kpop idols out there, but there are also a lot who aren't, especially because work is often rather subtle. We talk a lot about obvious cases here but there are also idols who had tiny, milimetres of changes that were only spotted years later or if you really sat down and put the pictures next to each other to check. Plus a lot of work is performed in the high school years which makes it difficult to determine (and I'm always sus of idols who were known for being ulzzangs or having beautiful predebuts when they were already trainees). It's show business, plastic surgery is normal and more likely common than not common. It doesn't reflect anything badly on idols to get it. This is to say I have no idea if those StayC members are natural or not, they very well could be!

Also I do think there's a higher chance to find a male kpop idol who is natural or near natural than a female one, just because the standards on women (everywhere in the world) are much, much higher.

If it takes you literal years to spot a small perceived difference, not only is it going to be pretty inconclusive, but you're likely seeing aging at that point (a factor people tend to completely ignore.) I'm also not sure I agree about male vs. female idols. They're both in the same beauty-focused industry. At the very least, you should have a much easier time sorting out the male idols who could be natural, because the ones who aren't have usually had drastically more obvious work done than their female counterparts. I feel like the generally more natural-looking results of PS on female idols leads to more suspicion of them all getting work done, which isn't fair to the ones who are actually natural. 

Edited March 5, 2022 by Jikrytae

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1 hour ago, exodus05 said:

I hate it when Taeyeon have her lip corners lifted. Knetz hate and criticize her so much but now most kpop idols and specially most girl groups and some kpop male idols have that procedure as well. 

"Most" is a pretty big exaggeration. Lip fillers are far more common than any other mouth-related procedure not including dental work. And to her credit, Taeyeon's lip lift was actually relatively subtle until she started upping her fillers (among other things) more recently. You could tell she had it done if you follow her, but it wasn't like, "Oh... her lips must be fake." The results are usually more conspicuous (think Gahyeon from Dreamcatcher) especially when paired with lip fillers. But now... yeah...

Edited March 11, 2022 by Jikrytae

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3 hours ago, chewyandminnie said:

what causes that deformity tho? is it bc of a nose implant? tzuyu's nose is the exact same type these days (she used to have a ski slope nose bridge but then her nose started looking more hook shaped as the years went by) and it has been pointed out by the tiktok surgeon that she's had an implant (which can explain her hanging columella).

Gee, that's one flexible "implant." 

https://twitter.com/ysc620814/status/1213643739958104064?lang=zh-Hant

 

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46 minutes ago, chewyandminnie said:

lo and behold, the "tzuyu is natural" truther finally emerges from the swamp.

implant is not "flexible" enough i'm afraid the area where her nose is supposed to bunch upwards/squish after being pressed looks suspiciously stiff......

but hey, what do i know? it's prolly just "contour" and i'm just a madwoman and my eyes are prolly just playing tricks on me. oh silly me~

 

How did you know I live in a swamp!?  Actually I've been here all along -- no need to "emerge," even though I know you say these things just to get a rise out of me. You really ought to do it as yourself at least, not with your alt account where you pose as a fake Tzuyu fan (which, big surprise, posts exclusively in this one thread! That's not at all conspicuous or anything!) If you need your eyes checked, I can probably recommend a good optometrist. Just don't take everything they say as gospel, like you do with a surgeon on TikTok (of all places) who speculates about people he's never even met, much less worked on.

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10 minutes ago, Zaralei said:

I'm guessing you're the one clowning all the replies mentioning Tzuyu lmao

There are different types of implants that still allow you to move your nose like that. 

You're being weird by getting passive aggressive and defensive over a discussion trying to objectively analyze procedures in a plastic surgery forum, not to mention the fact that you're feeding into the negative stigma against ps which btw... your bias likely had and there's really nothing wrong with that. Isn't it more disheartening when your fans react like they're ashamed of the thought of you getting ps? If you want to be taken seriously and have us sing "all hail Tzuyu the natural beauty" please provide more basis next time instead of misconceptions

You sound awfully defensive yourself given,

1) you have no way of actually proving your speculation,

and

2) I never even responded to you in the first place. Unless you're another alternate personality of the thread's resident crazy? 

I think you might also be lost, as this is a Kpop forum, not a plastic surgery forum. If you have a problem with anyone stigmatizing plastic surgery, you should probably find an actual plastic surgery forum that has a rule against doing so.

And don't fret, I don't need you to take me seriously. I already don't take you seriously.

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6 hours ago, chewyandminnie said:

EDIT: did somebody seriously clown this lmaooo, you blind as fuck

there, you happy now, random clown? if you still can't see it, have an optometrist check your eyes

EDIT 2: welp, looks like i might've riled up the 'sejeong is natural' truthers

Or maybe you've gone fishing for validation with the wrong bait this time. I personally couldn't care less about Sejeong, but it's still funny to come back here & see one of the usual suspects throwing a childish fit any time people don't all nod their heads in agreement.  But since I'm here, I might as well take this opportunity to remind you that redness & irritation around the nostrils & creases of the nose is a common condition, and just because you see it, it doesn't automatically indicate a scar. It's not like what you're trying to point out is CLEARLY a scar. Also, if that's an alarplasty scar, where's the other one? Surely you don't think she had it done on only one side? 

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18 minutes ago, chewyandminnie said:

you know, even if didn't mention tzuyu or any of your faves this time, somehow i'm not even surprised you chose this time to emerge from the sewers. how's it down there pennywise?

You oughta know. We all metaphorically float down here, and you're metaphorically floating too!

 

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3 hours ago, thegoddess31 said:

I usually don’t comment on anything really, but even in the thumbnail of the fan cam it is extremely worrying. We all know Yuna is naturally skinny, but she is also very athletic, and she looks like she doesn’t have any muscles, which people have already said. She looks so different now vs dalla dalla, and I hope she is losing weight healthily and not pushing her limits in any way.

There's no such thing as "losing weight healthily" when you're already skinny to begin with. There's a line you can't cross and still be healthy, no matter how good it looks according to some deranged standard. This is something the Kpop industry don't seem to understand. They think there's an upper limit of what's healthy but no lower limit, and that needs to change. 

Edited April 26, 2022 by Jikrytae