Official Plastic Surgery Thread

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6 hours ago, Iljin Oppa said:

I think Winter got her nose done again... the tip looks ridiculously sharp, it's so distracting. 

 

 

SM needs to stop messing with these girls...

OMG I didn't recognize giselle at all in the thumbnail pic I thought it was a new member or something. Let's wait for more pictures because the video seems highly edited. I know it's supposed to be a winter concept but why are they so over-exposed? I don't understand SM, why make your idols get surgery and after that STILL highly editing their photos/mvs. I can barely make out their noses in this mv..

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17 hours ago, Owlet said:

The tip of his nose looks almost... cartoonish(?) to me, especially from the side and a 3/4 angle. I don't think I've ever seen someone having that type of nose naturally besides a few white people and it's even less believable for east asians to have it.

He's a pretty good looking guy overall but I'm frankly worried about how his nose will develop as he gets older; since I've read somewhere that your nose will keep on getting bigger with age.

I frankly don't get how people get such drastic and possibly life changing alterations to fit a trend, a concept or a beauty standard -All of these change very quickly overtime while ps is a permanent thing. I know they're young, impressionable and think that if they just listen to their company's advice they'll have a better chance at debuting and achieving their dreams but is it really worth it in the end.

His face really reminds me of a Disney princess if that makes sense. He has an impossibly small nose, slim jaw, and big eyes. Its really kinda scary how changing one part of the face can change everything. ( It would actually make sense since the nose is the center of the face ).

but since his face is so different now, I feel like his proportion is slightly a skewed. His nose bridge is too thin and straight in comparison to the nose tip.

This is also the case with Sunghoon. Due to their new noses, the middle part of their face looks slightly "empty".

I don't know if that made a lot of sense, but in comparison to the other natural members, their noses are too small for their faces. I've read somewhere that people have the ability to know if a person's face is symmetrical or not subconsciously. Although Heeseung and Sunghoon are very good-looking, their faces send off a bit of a red flag to me.

Pics of members with untouched nose:

 

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5 hours ago, ihaigah said:

Now about Minnie. Minnie also did some minor things, i think all are very subtle and she still looks so gorgeous to me. 
Since you were discussing her nose. I also thought she haven't done anything to her nose at first. Because comparing predebut and afterdebut photos there is no visible difference considering her nose. But i think she might have done something in 2020, because i can see the difference before and now.

Before:

 

Now:

 

And in moving:

Latata: Hwaa: 

Oh now I definitely see it. They made the tip of her nose smaller and the bridge straighter. Overall now it has more structure(?), her nose bridge also looks slightly higher. The changes were so small I barely noticed. I hope she's not planning to do more. Her nose is unique and it suits her perfectly. She is absolutely gorgeous *chef's kiss*. 

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2 hours ago, seola said:

anyone else think momoland's case is really sad? in 2017-2018 i remember they were cute and unique looking but since maybe around "I'm so hot" they started looking weird and they all just keep getting work done and not stopping. some of them are getting close to/have "the face" (jane, hyebin) just why would they do that???? some of it almost looks painful like jooe's overfilled lips

I know right. Momoland does not look bad in any way however they do have the signature plastic look to them. It's a bit hard to explain in english but it's when the skin looks really puffy and leathery. like the natural elasticity of the skin is no longer there. (Edit: "Pillow face" would be the most accurate english term for it). This can be noticed in both western and eastern celebrities. 

Iggy Azalea

 

Christina Aguilera 

Park Bom

Jane

Jooe

It's not really about a specific facial feature that is making them look plastic. It's more about how their skin looks. Jane's nose, eyes, and jaw looks the same to me since 2018 however she definitely looks different. I'm not sure if this makes sense but it's like they're wearing a realistic "human" face mask (like the ones you would see as a disguise in a spy movie).

A lot of people think that fillers are good alternatives for PS, but really to me it looks weird. Not everyone has a face that can pull of or look good with fillers. Also, can overuse of fillers be reversed? cause some of these people looks like their skin is dying.

Edited February 7, 2021 by Angelica_mochi
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Do i see a slimmer and sharper nose tip on Yeonjun?

Latest comback:

 

9 1/3 quarters era:

 

In this picture his nose bridge looks really straight and the tip is raised up:

^ call me blind, but that's a nose job scar right? 

In comparison to his predebut:

I suspect he might have done his nose once before debut and again before the blue hour comeback. The members of txt relatively looks similar to their predebut photos (except taehyun), and since BigHit seems to have their own surgeon who specialize in nose jobs, i suspect txt would slowly change their appearance little by little between comebacks. 

BH really is giving SM a run for their money with these successful nose jobs lol.  

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9 minutes ago, lighterxx said:

its not too successful rip i noticed taehyun's? surgery in a glance rip

seems like this situation can be filler? might be but i need more pics

My standards for surgery are quite low. If it does not look botched, it's successful lol. 

Wouldn't filler technically make your nose bigger? (higher?), like i know it's used to straighten out the nose bridge or make some parts more defined.  

It actually could be fillers cause in some pictures his nose tip is sharper than in others.

However it really does seems like he had a nose job once predebut and fillers every comeback. 

ok actually maybe Taehyun's surgeon needs to go to jail. why did they give him such a high and slim nose bridge. It looks really uncanny (and kinda similar to heeseung's). 1 member with a obvious nose job in a group where everyone had work done is not that bad actually.

 

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24 minutes ago, meeeplet said:

I think Taehyun may have had an epicanthoplasty as well as a nose job? I'm not sure of the timeline, but compared to predebut I now see more tearduct and a slight change in the shape of his eye corners. This could explain why I've seen some people saying his eyes look "too big" or "unnatural."

Childhood:Now: 

Predebut: Now: 

I just see so much tear duct nowadays:

It can kind of make him look a little googly-eyed at times:

As a kid, he had big eyes, but I don't see the tear ducts the same way:

 

 

Why did they make him look so unnatural He was so cute before I don’t know what the BH staff saw wrong with him that was different from the other members? 
 

they could’ve just stopped with the nose but they didn’t. Now he looks completely computer generated in some photos ( especially when wearing those colored contacts ). 
He’s already the main vocalist and apparently that is not enough for them.

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7 hours ago, My Everything said:

I love mj but damn that nose job...

 

Wow I only recognized the name Astro because of cha eunwoo but even then I never knew the other members’ name and faces. After looking at his photos, I’m surprised as to why MJ is not the visual. Even with other good looking members in the group, he stands out the most to me. 
however the nose job was a bit tragic. Even though I didn’t notice it at first glance, it is definitely looks obvious. It almost has a plastic/cartoonish vibe to it. He looks like a ken doll.

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For those Doyoung plastic surgery deniers:

Rookie days

in a recent video

I only noticed this while watching a predebut video of him singing when they zoomed in on his side profile. they seemed to have lifted(?) the bottom part of his nose up and made the bridge straighter. It's actually quite well done, i've never suspected him of a nose job because it fits his face really well. 

Also i remember like a few hundred posts ago there was someone saying something about Jaehyun having gotten his nose done and they posted a picture of him at some award show ( he was wearing a suit and his hair was purple or grey i think ), and in that picture you can clearly see a nose job scar on his septum. I tried looking back in the thread and i can't seem to find that post and i also can't find that exact picture. but if you have it please quote and reply it for all of us to see.

anyways in this rookies picture you can see the shape of his nose (especially the tip) when he is smiling.

 

now look at it again in a recent photoshoot

The tip has definitely been refined and they is more of a shape to it. before it was rounded and now you can certainly see that there is a straight line throughout his nose from the front view (as opposed to it being interrupted or in a more triangular shape due to a bulbous tip). I'm 100 percent sure on this and anyone else probably would be too if i can find that goddamn picture of him with the scar. I think he had this done somewhere between firetruck era and regular era (big time jump i know). because if you check back on the photo of those times, the changes on his nose was not big enough to be pointed to surgery, however after regular era there definitely was a big change. His whole face became sharper including his nose ( i suspect this to be because sm wanted to push the prince image on him to make him more popular ). sm is know for doing stuff like this and when i first noticed it i thought it was strange because Jaehyun always seemed like a twink to me but it seems to be successful so good for them i guess??

all thoughts are welcomed on this

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ok Guys I've found it

The first picture is the official one and the second one is edited. Idk when i first saw these pictures i thought they were really convincing, after looking at it a bit more i think it could just be the position of his head and weird lighting (not to mention the makeup and dispatch's clown-ass most likely editing this photo).

the scar that is one his septum ( the cartilage that is in between the nostrils ) could most likely be just a shadow or weirdly placed makeup contour. since his head isn't really tilted up in this photo, we can't really see it clearly.

these are where incisions are most commonly made in nose jobs:

 

However what i find weird is the white line that is found in both outer corners of his nostrils. It's more visible in the first picture. The line looks like its a scar from being cut open and stitched back again. In the first picture, the most prominent one,  it's on our left ( his right since the picture is mirrored ). also the way his foundation sits on that part of the nose is strange. it makes it almost a shade lighter which to me makes it seems like the base is uneven and the foundation just filled it up. idk though, maybe the doctors over there in sm's hostage room has found another way to do nose jobs without leaving scars on the columella. 

although the pictures are a bit of a flop it doesn't take away from the fact that his nose is drastically slimmer here than in the predebut picture in my last post. Also in the pictures, his face looks shockingly gaunt. for someone who says that he bloats alot, his face during regular era sure was bony. I hope he isn't continuing whatever he's been doing to make his face that skinny ( kinda wishful thinking on my part because in his drama trailer his face looks really gaunt ), i heard from youtuber Lorry hill that buccal/jowl fat removal are not helpful in the longterm since they basically suck away the face fat and it also apparently can't be reinjected back in. The only way for people who have done buccal fat removal to have full cheeks is to get some sort of fillers. with his jaw shave and overall bone structure, i can tell that jaehyun will definitely age better with rounder cheeks. 

I some how can't find the original poster on this thread but i found the one where user @/jung jaehyun's boyfriend quoted it so i got it from there. the post was made asking about the nose job on october 10 2018 but when i went back and looked for it, i only found ppl quoting it. judging by the date on jaehyun's boyfriend quoted, the post should have been made around pg 360 ish and i've checked and it should be between when ppl were talking about Gidle's minne (0ct 9) and shuhua and nam taehyun (oct 11) getting 25 injections or smth. it's not there so i assume the person who originally asked deleted their account.

 

Also not ya'll commenting more on the twink comment than the rest of the post. It's not my fault he acts like an anime girl in his rookie days.

 

Edited February 20, 2021 by Angelica_mochi
Also I swear he looks stoned af in every photo

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not sure if this is helpful but all my life I've had this thing where my eyelids would droop just a little over my eyeline(?) i think in english it's called ptosis. and since the extra skin is sitting on the lash line, it causes my lashes to point downwards and eventually started growing on the insides of my eyelids which would constantly poke my eyes. When i went to the ophthalmologist for my latest glasses prescription, the doctor recommended that i should get my droopy eyelids removed. She said that as i age the skin would constantly lose elasticity and it would eventually impair my sight. she also said that it would be easier to do it now since I'm young and healthy than when I'm older (smth about how scars heals faster and better when you are young and also how it's safer to undergo anesthesia now than when you are 40 ). 

so i said okay and recently got it done in mid december 2020 ( my country at that time was declared covid free ). During my consultation i also asked the doctors to stitch my eyelids in a more symmetrical line that i didn't already had lol. so technically this could be considered to be both medical and plastic surgery.

point here is that by the end of january my eyelids were already fully healed. you could only see the scar when i'm not wearing any eye makeup and if you stand really closely. the posts above asked about when taehyun of txt did his eyelids and my answer would be anytime during the breaks really.

it takes a surprisingly fast time to heal and with the makeup/lighting/filters all idols use it would easily conceal the scar. txt takes about a 4-5 month break between each comeback and they have plenty of time to get it done. for me it only took eight days from the day of the surgery to take of the stitches and after that i am allowed to put on makeup safely again. 

the covid 19 situation was also probably helpful in this since idols have to quarantine which means less fans taking up close/unfiltered photos of them and thus giving them the power to control their own photos and giving them more time to heal. 

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1 hour ago, camelliabloom said:

Despite what Blinks say, I just want to say that Lorry Hill's BP videos were very well done and I agree with all of the procedures she brought up. Some people claim that she sees things that aren't there but imo she's extremely modest and often misses things. I think it's more likely that she missed some procedures rather than her overdoing it. First of all, she's a white woman in the US who is not totally familiar with Korean plastic surgery procedures--her level of experience with western procedures is completely different compared to her familiarity with Korean plastic surgery. And even when it comes to western plastic surgery, I've seen her miss procedures in her videos (Kylie Jenner's iirc). I also know as a huge Britney fan that she didn't catch all of Britney's procedures. 

I think that rather than getting defensive about their bias' plastic surgery, Blinks and other fans should realize that no one is born perfect for their own self-esteem's concern. I would still feel so awful about my natural face if I thought that all celebrities were born perfect. Before Lorry's videos, I used to actually compare myself to celebrities (as a lot of people do) but it's unfair to compare yourself if you don't have the money to get work done. 98% of celebrities have had some cosmetic procedure done. What her channel has taught me is that most celebrities start out with a decent face but get adjustments to look "snatched". Stuff like alarplasty, fillers, and buccal fat removal will give you a level of "snatched" that contouring cannot do. I have a bulbous nose tip myself and no matter how much I contour, it's always going to be bulbous unless I get a Hollywood nose job where a surgeon would trim the tip cartilage.

Sorry for the tangent, I just really appreciate the movement of celebrity before/afters because of how they've personally helped my self-esteem. I know some people consider it to be detrimental to the celebrities themselves but I think the negative stigma with plastic surgery is what's actually detrimental to them. You can't blame anyone for getting plastic surgery when 'unnatural' faces are the ones that are basically guiding our current beauty standards.

 

Yes i agree!! I really love Lorry Hill's video mostly because they are so positive and it never feels like she is trying to "expose" these celebrities. also stans should really know that by being defensive they are implying that they are not okay with plastic surgery and they are also indirectly perpetuating an unnatural standard of beauty. 

I don't know if this is relevant to this or not but i feel like ps in kpop is kinda setting an unnatural standard for asian to foreigners who are not familiar with asian faces. I've seen many comments on other websites in english ( and maybe im wrong for this but im assuming that most of these people are not asian ) defending idols who very clearly has had plastic surgery. there are many features that are common within east asians and we can immediately tell who has and unnatural nose or not.

the reason why i can barely find any posts on weibo demeaning idols about their plastic surgery is because most of us already knows who had plastic surgery and who had not. it's strange how the most defensive stans are english speakers who are most likely not east asian.

like I've had someone tell me on qoura that no one in enhypen had plastic surgery. however as a east asian, i've never seen anyone with a natural nose like Heeseung's and Sunghoon's. it's strange how kpop have distorted what a typical asian face is supposed to look like.

( also the international stans who like to say shit like "f knets" and "all Knets are snakes" are really annoying. People really like to make up their own problems huh. Literally like Lisa is actually really well loved in china and korea and foreign kpop stars are actually mistreated by their companies, not the korean/east asian audience. moving to a new country and learning the language and culture is a really respectful thing that all east asian audiences recognize.  i think english speaking fans don't fully understand this because they are raised to expect everything to be in english already. )     

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what's so appealing about pointy chins? I'm sorry if this is a bit mean but i really don't understand this trend. 

is it to give an allusion of having an oval shaped face? but if they used it to make the face look more balanced, then why is it so prominent most of the time. a pointy chin would not suit hyewon's face because she does not have a strong enough bone structure for it. she also doesn't need it at all considering her face is already very well balanced. also doesn't chin filler technically makes you face longer from the front view? i've seen multiple idols who have gotten their jaws sawed off get chin fillers. couldn't they just have shaved their chins into a v line at the same time? or is that a different procedure? must be tiring to undergo multiple surgeries that sometimes contradict each other just to fit into the standards. 

also i've seen some ppl deliberately using that cursed snow app to get this appearance. it looks like their chins have been through a pencil sharpener almost.  

Edited February 21, 2021 by Angelica_mochi
also, serious question, is the skull reaction emoji used here ironically or not?

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more close up pictures of jaehyun's nose changes:

 

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this is a picture i saved from this thread not long ago. notice how the tip of his nose is slightly longer than his nostrils. he also overall has a kinda straight bridge that points a bit downwards at the tip.

2018

this photo is from a similar position and now his nose seems a bit more upturned. 

 

front angle photos

 

school aged jaehyun

i have no idea when this photo was taken so i originally didn't used it in my earlier posts about him. I've heard it is before he even joined sm since he still had his original jaw. at first i just brushed off this as him growing into his nose thus making it seem smaller now. however, in a closer inspection, there is almost no definition in his tip and you can clearly see the extra skin that forms a ball shape.

also note the size of his nose bridge compared to his tip. 

 

2015 ish

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 in this picture you can still see the lack of definition and the big size difference of his tip compared to his bridge. 

now look at these photos:

the excess skin surrounding his tip has disappeared and his nose looks overall a lot more harmonious. the size of the tip and the bridge flows well together and his nose also no longer look as flat as it was in the upper photos.  

 

2019

I think this photo is the most apparent one. you can clearly see how much more defined the tip is ( kinda almost looks bony like bella hadid's ) and again the size of the tip is proportional to his bridge. the bridge also seems to be higher but that could be because he isn't really smiling in this photo.

I think the only other idol package thing he hasn't had done are his eyes? They are still thin and slightly hooded. 

 

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4 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

When was he bald

 

4 hours ago, neo velvet said:

IM SORRY WHAT

 

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I have a gallery of pics that i've saved from this thread so i can better point out changes in ppl's faces. And since I was making a post on jaehyun, i looked through my gallery and found this. I thought it was a good enough photo since it showed his nose while he is smiling. I however, edited out the whole picture and only used his face. ignore this post if you aren't curious. 

watch me get negged for posting this

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2 hours ago, tgog said:

I wonder how it works for people like Jennie (who may or may not have done the buccal fat removal) who still retained some chubbiness in cheeks? Like we know Gigi Hadid is going to age poorly because she has almost 0 fat there, but if Jennie isn't totally devoid of cheek fat after the supposed removal, does it make her less at risk of looking older than her age? (does this sentence make any sense lol)

Speaking of P1harmony, I wanted to ask about their leader Keeho (01 liner). He was on stan twt as @busanwings but disappeared and debuted a while later (during the pandemic so not many photos of him, but)

Debut

The pre-debut photos that were released

The pre-debut photos that stan twt released after realising this new dude in P1harmony looked awfully like their old friend lol

Looks like it's the typical K-pop combo on him. It's hard to say with only selcas but I think they worked well on him though, he kind of looks like BTOB's Hyunsik with a longer skinnier face now

Also that Jaehyun monk photo reminded me of this thing he tweeted:

That Jimin tweet haunts me all the time. Waiting for the day he gets confronted for it. 
 

I have to say though, his new blue hair definitely makes him look different. Along with the eyebrow slit, the filters, and Kpop styling, I would say that the only thing that seems different are his eyes and maybe nose? 
his eyes are definitely more open and “even” looking now. As for his nose I’m not really sure because it still has that peculiar shape to it. It just looks more defined and less bulky.  
comparing his Predebut pictures to now, you can definitely see a big difference, most people would probably say they look like two different people. But on closer inspection, not a lot of his features have actually been changed. 
 

also a big part in why he looks so different is probably his skin tone. He jumped like 7 shades.

 

Edited February 22, 2021 by Angelica_mochi

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25 minutes ago, MiyaV said:

Not exactly surgery, but what would you say is the percentage of idols undergoing skin lightening procedures? 

I would say a lot of those skin care treatments that companies make their idols go through have some skin lightening properties however i don't think that percentage of idols who ACTUALLY got their skin lighten is that high.

I say this mainly because when you see pictures of idols completely unfiltered, without makeup, and in a normal lighting, their skin tone is not that different from predebut. their skin just looks a bit paler however their undertone(?) is still the same.

People who have gotten their skin lighten will often have a pale and greyish appearance to their skin that really stands out. their skin will also often appear super thin and their veins will be visible.

I do suspect some idols of skin bleaching but only in moderate amounts. I can't really think of anyone who shows all the signs of skin lightening. I would say the percentage is maybe 30%?

 

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I think someone earlier in this thread had said something about Itzy's Yeji having a nose job and at first i definitely agree. I saw a lot of changes in the base of her nostrils, it seems smaller. but i wonder could it just be because of fillers and photo editing?

however, i also came across this photo of her barefaced and i thought it looked really similar to her predebut's.

 

predebut

i see a change but im not fully convinced yet that she's had a nose job. Can someone please clear this up for me?

 

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The nose fillers really jumped out in this picture

Also have you guys seen WayV's comeback teaser's photoshoots? Some of them look slightly off to me but i can't place what it is yet. I'll post more photos of them when i spot something.

Also imo, lucas does not look good with a pointy nose tip. Idk it doesn't suit the rest of his features. 

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6 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

Fucking agree. Everything about him is rounded, open and blunt, and yet SM seems to think they‘re doing something there by giving him a sharper nose. They like to butcher his chinline as well, I mean...

   WYD

Not him looking like Ellen Degeneres in that boss gif

The hair, eye contacts, and filters are really not it. I can't believe sm had the audacity to think that they could get away with whitewashing him that much. 

Out of all the nct members, he definitely has the most recognizable and unique face. even my friends who don't follow nct knows who lucas is. 

It's a shame that sm put these standards on members who clearly don't fit it. The chin fillers made his face looks weird because his cheekbones doesn't point down in a V line shape like ,for example Taeyong's and Jaehyun's, it just threw off his lower face proportions because his lips were already full and high up on his face. 

His nose doesn't look that bad from the front view ( I believe he never gotten actual surgery right?, just fillers? ) however from the side it looks hella weird. his nose tip is round and a bit flat which suits his round cheekbones and blunt chin. 

And lets be honest, i think we can all agree that he looks best with tan skin. I've seen some idols where pale skin looks fine on them but lucas is definitely not one of them. It makes his skin looks like uncooked chicken. 

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Have ya'll been blessed with Doyoung's titties this morning yet?

Anyways, what i wanted to ask was that the shape of his jawline is a dead giveaway of a jaw shave right? I remember multiple people commenting only a few posts back that people who had their jaw shaved often have that "egg-like" shape to it? like their jawlines will be completely smooth without a mandible angle no matter how they pose?

like for example in the picture above, you see the bone part underneath Jungwoo's ear and if you look at Doyoung, that part is missing. I've seen many doyoung plastic surgery deniers on other websites and the thing they are always passionate about is doyoung never getting his jaw shaved.  they always seem to vehemently deny it for some reason and they always use the excuse that singing practicing/techniques(?) shifted his jaw? Idk anything about singing however I doubt that it would make your jawline smoother???

I'm not sure though but I've never seen anyone with a jaw like that naturally.

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6 hours ago, Jikrytae said:

Just some hack plastic surgeon who riles up kpop fans for fun. His speculation is rarely accurate, and has drawn the ire of actual idols, but some people are really gullible, especially whenever an "authority" is involved.

Yeah, I agree that the tiktok doctor probably has performed multiple surgeries and is super knowledgeable but some of his videos are lowkey a reach. Like i don't really understand what he means when he says that if a nose has a clover shape nostrils it is an implant? I have a similar nostril shape and i've never had an implant placed in.

I remember him doing an analysis on BTS but he used edited/highly filtered photos of them and i believe that most of them are not accurate.

People who naively believe anything a doctor say about plastic surgery are almost as bad as those stans who deny their faves' surgery tbh.     

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2 hours ago, SepiaSkies said:

I dunno what those people were smoking who claim that practicing singing techniques smoothes out your jaw but I want none of that lol, like what the hell?? The only thing I'd imagine happening is the exact opposite, your jaw becoming bigger because you use your jaw muscles a lot more, kinda like with people who chew a lot of gum, but even that's a reach imo. At least I've never seen that happening lol.

Like, come on. While he never had a particularly large jaw, he sure had an angular one. You can see it even in his childhood pictures when his jaw was much less developed, it was still obviously angular. From the front I could see why people might chalk it up to weight loss, but one look at his profile (actually I think it's even more obvious in semi-profile) and you can pretty much immediately tell he's had a jaw shave, especially when you compare it to his teenage pre-sm days. Jaws like his can occur naturally, but in his case it's quite obviously surgical. Like you said, his mandible angle has been shaved down considerably to the point where it's barely visible when he keeps his head in a neutral position, plus the way his jaw connects to his ear is iffy. It think it does look a lot better nowadays though, the initial procedure really threw off his facial harmony imo, but like @Nctyleggo said, whatever follow-up procedures he had really improved his overall facial balance. He's been looking great these days.

(lol I feel like I only ever come here to talk about Doyoung, I swear at this point I've looked at his face so much I coud write an entire thesis about it...)

 

2 hours ago, lighterxx said:

what the- this happened??????

I've seen like three accounts on twitter claiming this. They say that the jaw shrinks as people age ( which is true ) however they always use photos that compare jaw size from the end of maturity to when they start to age ( like 20 - 60 ). They never use photos or articles that prove that your jaw will change this much during your teenage years.   

Also some people are so naive to the point where they say that their faves idols never got anything done ( which is weird because at the same time they acknowledge that plastic surgery is common in kpop especially big 3 idols ). 

 Also I've found this post on tumblr showing this before and after photo that proves that he never had anything done.

I'm really not convinced that he never shaved his jaw. I mean look at his brother's jaw. Wouldn't his jaw naturally look the same to his brother's now if he had nothing done?

and the sad thing that I've read everywhere is that antis like to spread plastic surgery rumors about him. Although it is true that some antis are like that, I think that the majority of people talking about his surgery are not doing it in a disparaging way. none of us are bashing him or anyone else discussed in this thread really. If antis stopped using plastic surgery as an insult then I bet more idols would be open about it. 

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On an unrelated note, look at this picture of baby jaehyun. We see his natural nose and jaw(?). His chin also appears blunter here than it is now. I've asked a question sometime back about why jaw shaves and chin shaves are not performed at the same time and basically it's because the results wouldn't look good. so on top of his jaw shave i believe he also gets chin fillers regularly. 

 

[Rei sakuma]

Hey guys have Ateez been discussed thoroughly yet? especially Hongjoong. From the very first time i saw him, I thought his nose was super strange. Like no offence, but he looks like Jeffree star.

Like in these gifs, notice how pointy his nose tip is??? 

However, looking at his predebut pictures, his nose was already really thin. I suspect that he had further work done to his tip. ( he reminds me of SinB of Gfriend who naturally had an unnatural looking nose and got more work done. )

It really makes me wonder why he did that. His nostrils now have the triangular shape like the actors you guys were talking about just now. 

rip in this photo his nose tip looks like Txt's Taehyun.

Edited March 1, 2021 by Angelica_mochi
He do be looking like Michael Jackson tho hee hee

[Rei sakuma]

On 3/2/2021 at 4:24 AM, lighterxx said:

I think we said nose pegs for him since no structural change yet only his nose tip going up

To note they do this 

(Sizes of pegs) 

After looking at pictures of nose pegs i've decided that i hate them. I tried looking up whether nose pegs cause further damage when used improperly however there seems to be different types of them (some are even made of metal???).  I think they look too uncanny because the nose tip is too lifted and pinched. 

 

I winder how could he perform and wear them at the same time? what if they fell off during a performance? that would be kinda wild (and funny) ngl. 

On 3/2/2021 at 4:33 AM, Owlet said:

We did talk about him specifically last year on pages 519 and 520.

I also found a few posts about Seonghwa here and I'm pretty sure we mentioned San being fairly natural as well but I couldn't find the right page TT

 

Thank you!! I've always thought some of the members (especially seognhwa) looks different but i just can't put my finger on what they did. His eyelid crease looks so harsh though. 

san predebut:

San looks natural however i remember ppl talking about his jaw and chin(?) but i also can't find the exact post.