Official Plastic Surgery Thread

[Jikrytae]

20 hours ago, camelliabloom said:

Tzuyu has had her inner corners done (canthoplasty). I think I can see a difference in her outer corners since her eyes look more downturned. I feel like she could have gotten this done pretty young because eye surgery is not a big deal to Koreans anyways.

Ahh yes, that large Korean community she lived amongst in Taiwan. Who could forget?

This whole discussion was a train wreck.  You know it's not a good sign when someone tries to piggyback off of someone else's speculation and then proceeds to completely contradict that speculation (does her columella hang down because of a supposed implant or was it "trimmed?" At least make up your mind. Or you could forgo the headache and admit it's exactly the same.)

Also, we're using photos that have been blatantly run through an AI upscaling algorithm as evidence now? Hmm... I guess Seulgi really did get her eyelids done!

Edited February 27, 2021 by Jikrytae

[Jikrytae]

46 minutes ago, lilsone said:

I feel ya, I dont get it why they are so mad/pissed by it. I mean it's so obvious that she had work done so what's the problem.... we are not dissing or looking down at any idol here, we are fascinated by the work they are willing to do for their job. The difference is so obvious, yet some say she grow into it as she got older... no it didnt she fixed her nose that's it get over it!

I don't get why you're so bothered that people don't believe this (very strongly, matter-of-factly stated, "I can't possibly be wrong") speculation. It's not obvious, you stating it's obvious doesn't somehow make it obvious, and no one here is required to believe it. If you're going to speculate, the burden of proof is on you, not those you're trying to convince, and unlike the others, you haven't even tried to make a convincing argument, much less actually made one. You skipped right to the "complain that they don't believe me" step. Pretty peculiar. Some of you are trying way, way too hard. It begs the question of what your goal is. 

Edited February 28, 2021 by Jikrytae

[Jikrytae]

36 minutes ago, Nctyleggo said:

I agree with you in that it is sheer speculation that can be backed up to a degree and that no one is forced to believe it. I find it interesting, however, that you‘ll always show up whenever Tzuyu happens to be mentioned and will go full-on snark to try and undermine any possible claims of her having work done. Not just answering to them and providing evidence to back-up your own claims, I mean straight-up degrading and passive agressiveness. Talking down to other users as if they were dimwits. I remember an user here actually making early claims of Tzuyu‘s possible rhinoplasty (without providing any initial arguments, to be fair) and your being thunder-quick to shut them up by calling them delusional and suggesting they go to hospital. This is a place for discussion, but I swear every time you appear with your all-too-smug nagging it turns into a fall-out mess. You‘re plain rude.

Yes, this is all my fault, which explains perfectly why the conversation was able to continue on without my participation.  Now it just sounds like you're looking for a scapegoat to escape the guilt of beating a dead horse, for what motive I do not know. But if it makes you feel any better, I promise I'll show up every time I disagree with you, not just when Tzuyu is mentioned, with my charming wit and all. 

[Jikrytae]

3 minutes ago, Nctyleggo said:

The conversation did go on, it’s the derisive remarks that are on you, mate, and your apparent need to get personal and dismissive, thinking that you’re so sharp and see through all people’s reasons, for what motive I do not know. What a great psychoanalyser that you are. What dead horse I‘m I beating? What should I feel guilty for? Bringing up an idol’s possible nose job stated by a qualified doctor to a KPS dicussion thread? I‘m not sorry I brought that up, if anything I’m sorry I dared mention Tzuyu so that you had to appear. You shite on everyone everytime you show up, self-proclaimed wit and all. 

Well you're correct in assuming that I've successfully "psychoanalyzed" you and know exactly why you continue beating this horse to a pulp, but the answer is so obvious that I needn't even mention it. Shucks, there's that word again. As for me being derisive, it takes two to tango. I'd love to know what you think you're being right now, with all these personal attacks that add nothing to the subject of the thread. Can you not "psychoanalyze" yourself?

[Jikrytae]

1 minute ago, Nctyleggo said:

LMAOOOO

Just the way you word things reminds me from the edgy kid who thinks he‘s smarter than everyone else just because he made it halfway through Nietzsche. I‘ll completely ignore you from now on.

The way I word things? English, you mean? You remind me of that brooding kid who desperately needed to win everyone over and prove they knew everything because of how insecure they really were. It would explain the feelings of dismissal... among other things. 

[Jikrytae]

17 hours ago, loveablejoy said:

These two photos are both from May 2016

Didn't you know? It only takes a few days for a nose job to heal when you use magic. And it's such an advanced technique that the differences are completely imperceptible, but they're there! Trust us! 

Spoiler

Watch one of the resident experts respond with "Well actually...".  I already know who upvoted that post too, but they'll deny it.

 

Edited March 10, 2021 by Jikrytae

[Jikrytae]

11 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

Of course they wouldn’t increase her nosebridge height by 2.5 centimeters so that it would be cartoonishly noticeable and make her look like Pinocchio lmao.

 

Pinocchio? Do you even know what a nasal bridge is? 

Edited March 19, 2021 by Jikrytae

[Jikrytae]

5 hours ago, sanchelin said:

Does anyone know if brow lifts are common in Korea? I saw a picture of Yeri that's making me think she got one

Also did Jiyeon do something to her eyes? Here she is in 2019


This picture is from late 2020 and I thought it was just eyelid tape because the crease looks pretty deep and defined


This is from her upcoming drama (they filmed for the past couple of months I think) and I noticed the crease looks deeper than I remember. I don't think she has eyelid tape in this one. It looks like she has a lot more eyelid space though

 

Aside from the filler, could he be on steroids? I've heard they can cause major face puffiness ("moon face")

 

3 hours ago, neila said:

It definitely looks like she did an eyebrow lift. They literally cut your face off following the hairline from ear to ear around the forehead. and then cut a little cutout. and then sew it back together. You can watch people do the procedure on YouTube. It's F R E A K Y. 

but omg she looks GORGEOUS IN THE LAST PICTURE. her eyebrows are slanted now and not straight. it reminds me of the famous Ariana Grande eyebrow lift. so I think you might be right. her neutral expression has completed changed. 

you're right maybe it's eyelid tape / glue, maybe it's some eye surgery. 

No.

(2014)

(2021)

Her eyes are exactly the same. Her eyebrows are shaped differently, not lifted.

[Jikrytae]

4 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

She went from one of Kpop‘s most unique visuals and just about the prettiest critter I‘d laid eyes upon to the Plain Jane version of herself. I hope that whoever brought up her getting any changes lost their job.

 

And yet you're still absolutely obsessed with her.  Sadly I don't think you can fire Father Time. He's above everyone's pay grade. 

[Jikrytae]

34 minutes ago, Eirene29 said:

girl, calm down she didn't insult her, it's their opinion nothing more

Read between the lines. A backhanded compliment isn't a compliment at all, but because she and a few others come here pretending to be "plastic surgery positive," they expect everyone to take that declaration at face value & just ignore the obvious contrary motives behind their posts, to say nothing of how wildly wrong their speculation usually is. I may be biased, but at least I'm not lying about it. Too often this thread is used as a bashing thread, just with a clever work-around so they can pretend that's not what they're doing. I know better. Not that it's difficult to figure out when you're mentioning the same person every other page. You don't have to believe me, their post history speaks for itself.

Edited April 24, 2021 by Jikrytae

[Jikrytae]

3 minutes ago, TataBoo said:

I actually agree because the way people talk about the Aespa girls(for example) is sometimes disturbing and down right bullying.  

It's funny, I myself have mentioned them in the past and been accused of bashing them just for pointing out how obvious their PS is, but unlike so many here, I recognize that they're still pretty women who just have some very obvious & unnecessary PS & haven't said anything since. Because why would you? We really don't need a hundredth discussion on Karina's jaw shave. 

[Jikrytae]

5 minutes ago, TataBoo said:

Yeah I know most people aren't trying to be rude in this thread. I really enjoy the discussions, but it seems like there is still negative judgements towards idols who may have gotten one too many procedures done. I don't know if this word is right, but I find it slightly dehumanizing.

I think that could be said about this entire thread honestly. Regardless of whether you're in the "OMG, what were they thinking?" camp, the "Yaas girl, get another nose job!" camp, or the "I have a totally positive attitude towards plastic surgery, now watch as I obsess over the ones I dislike, whether real or imagined" camp, I think one thing is certain, the idols themselves would not enjoy reading this thread at all. They'd be mortified.

[Jikrytae]

2 hours ago, Eirene29 said:

I honestly thought they weren't bashing. It wasn't "obvious" to me, thank you very much. I never remember users' nicknames and what they've said nor do I go through people's post history. Anyway if you say they constantly mention Tzuyu it's probably true! I personally just don't pay attention unless I follow those idols. 

Btw I never saw a lot of bashing here, not often! Can you make some examples? I'm just curious, I spend a lot of time in here but I never noticed. 

I don't have time to go through it, but you can find judgmental comments on practically every page of this thread.

 

2 hours ago, life strong said:

her round features made her look cute. now her cheekbones seem more prominent perhaps that gives her more mature/sexy vibe. does anyone know is it because of buccal fat removal or botox? afaik she had braces, can that change your face shape? (sorry i really hv no idea about this) 

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whatever she had done (idc if it's a little or a lot) they're tastefully done. she looks maturely elegant.

 

She's lost a ton of weight since she debuted. That is going to naturally make your face more gaunt.

[Jikrytae]

16 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

Well well Manuel, @Jykritae

Just like Mamma Mia, There You Go Again

Popping  up every time a certain someone is mentioned so that you can brandish your butthurt fanboy sword in a display of utter hypocrisy.

Do you feel better now after getting that tantrum out of your system? The fact that you even went out of your way to look through my previous posts is pretty amusing. You must have A LOT of free time. Unfortunately it was all for naught, as I never said I hadn't posted anything judgmental myself, so your accusations of hypocrisy sadly miss the mark.  Ultimately this only served to show everyone the lengths you'll go to in service of your obsession, further proving my point.

16 hours ago, Angelica_mochi said:

Every time we talk about Tzuyu, we always argue. Why is that? I'm genuinely curious to know what she had done yet everyone seems to have different opinions. 

Because they don't know what they're talking about, and they presumptuously assume that everyone in kpop MUST have rearranged their entire face and then work from there, like a baby who won't be satisfied until they can shove the square peg into the round hole. So they keep trying... again... and again... and again... and again... 

I think it's a damaged pride thing.

Edited April 25, 2021 by Jikrytae

[Jikrytae]

5 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

She looks the best (and most natural) out of T-Ara, ginormous eyes and all, but watch yourself get negged for pointing out the obvious, LOL.

She got a blepharoplasty and her inner eye corners blunted with an epicanthoplasty. Also shaved down her nose cartilages + brought her nostrils in in order to make it slimmer. I don‘t think much else has been done apart from some fillers and schit. Her face shape is something you don‘t see too much of in K-pop, so kudos to her.

 

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*Idols watching mouth foaming fans saying “oppa‘s beauty is natural/they would never do something like that/their genes snapped “ like*

 

Now that you're such an expert on plastic surgery, you should move on to learning about make-up & contouring.

(Uploaded just yesterday)

Her nose clearly isn't any slimmer. Her eyes aren't "blunted" either. (If you get to use a photo where her eyes are only half open, so do I.)

Spoiler

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by Jikrytae

[Jikrytae]

1 hour ago, Nctyleggo said:

If I ever need to improve my makeup technique I’ll make sure to ask Jiyeon for some advice...

 

It couldn’t hurt. I don’t know how much it’ll help  with all your other insecurities though.

”Larger eyes” LOL

Edited April 26, 2021 by Jikrytae

[Jikrytae]

2 hours ago, lighterxx said:

Yeah most celebrities also try to look like their childhood. That's why thread does not really consider childhood pictures unless they are big enough. 

Unless they want to say people look different than they did in childhood. Then childhood photos are suddenly fair game. 

 

2 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

Eyes of Asian people usually become smaller with age

I haven't noticed such a trend. Either way, hers obviously didn't (no matter how many times leggo-my-eggo wishes to repost the same photo with her eyes half closed, thinking she's done something.)

Edited April 26, 2021 by Jikrytae

[Jikrytae]

53 minutes ago, tgog said:

Honestly it's pretty obvious she's had work done. Idk why I'm trying to defend this argument even, just thought it would lend more credibility if I share my own features/experience

 

Except this isn't lending any credibility to Leggo-my-eggo's argument, as you can't just apply your own experience to everyone else's. You don't even have to be Asian to know that. Nor do photos of a completely different person nullify what I've already proven with photos of the person actually being argued over. There's nothing "obvious" about the argument being presented whatsoever, and this does nothing to change that or make me look delusional. Should've stayed logged out. 

[Jikrytae]

46 minutes ago, Nctyleggo said:

Everyone’s eyes become relatively smaller with age. That’s the thing with babies being neotenous and shit, they all have big eyes. Literally everyone knows that.

Babies' eyes appear to be very large because normal infant development proceeds from the head down and newborn babies' eyes are already about 70% of their adult size. They will continue to grow and develop for the first two years of life. Your new baby's eyes are not very sensitive to light in the first month.[/quote]

source: http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?con=611

Uhm... yikes, dude. If those are all your arguments, I can tell right away you’re not a very good debater. 
 

 

You know, I could say Yoona or Jungkook are PS free just by looking at their baby pics. Which they are obviously not.
 

You get using a pic of a 12-year-old will be much fairer a comparison than referring to a photo of said person straight out of her mother’s womb... right?
I seem to have hit a soft spot. Don’t worry, the fact that she’s had blatant cosmetics enhancements doesn’t detract from her being breathtakingly beautiful and being one of the few visuals with any actual talent of her generation. It helps me sleep well at night knowing a woman is beautiful and talented. That’s why I mostly stan female idols who happen to be both. 

Unlike you, I’ve cared to post pics from the exact same angle, no distorted camera lenses or crap, both with “half closed” eyes caused by smiling.

 

*Super duper unfair comparison pics* (beware, Jiyeon has her eyes ‘half closed’ in the first pic! That explains the monolids and lack of warped skin around the inner canthus! It’s not like it’s been so trimmed it’s painfully obvious! Also... the nostrils were half open, which explains the bigger, more bulbous nose! Checkmate!

 

It’s comforting to see you care so much about details, angles and lighting when you could obviously tell plastic by just taking a quick peek at an after pic and proceed with your roasting before. That’s what I call character development. She obviously has double lids with rounder edges and a smaller, sharper nose. She even has visible alarplasty scars. You can see it from afar in unedited pics. But I guess it’s the light’s reflection this time (and every other time as well)

Yep, that will do.

 

 

 

Selective blindness works in mysterious ways.
 

Oh good, for a while there I was starting to think you had conceded. This should be fun.

Everyone’s eyes become relatively smaller with age.

(One paragraph later)

"babies' eyes are already about 70% of their adult size."

We're off to a great start. 

You get using a pic of a 12-year-old will be much fairer a comparison than referring to a photo of said person straight out of her mother’s womb... right?

Yeah... which is why I already posted photos from that age range, to which you've had no response. You just conveniently tip-toed around them because they don't align with the narrative you're spinning. Still waiting. 

Unlike you, I’ve cared to post pics from the exact same angle, no distorted camera lenses or crap, both with “half closed” eyes caused by smiling.

You think those are the exact same angles? You must've failed geometry. Several times.

(beware, Jiyeon has her eyes ‘half closed’ in the first pic! That explains the monolids and lack of warped skin around the inner canthus! It’s not like it’s been so trimmed it’s painfully obvious! Also... the nostrils were half open, which explains the bigger, more bulbous nose! Checkmate!

Still salty over me pointing out that her eyes are half closed? I know you don't like having such large holes poked so effortlessly through your whole argument, but that's why you shouldn't keep putting your eggs in one basket! Much like a portfolio, you need to diversify! 

You're looking at those canthi, huh? That's fascinating how you can pick up so much minute detail from such blurry, terribly low res photos. You must have Superman's vision. Or you're just full of shit. Personally, I'm going with the latter explanation. You really do love those photos though! "The poor quality hides my equally poor argument!" 

Did you say monolids? 

Ruh-roh, Shaggy, those don't look like monolids!

I've already proven her nose is still just as "bulbous" as before without make-up. You either accept the evidence or remain in denial. It's no skin off my nose.

As for your "checkmate," I don't recommend trying to play chess. You'd find a way to lose your king to a pawn. Maybe checkers?

It’s comforting to see you care so much about details, angles and lighting when you could obviously tell plastic by just taking a quick peek at an after pic and proceed with your roasting before. That’s what I call character development.

I have no idea what you're even on about at this point. I think you've lost the plot. Flown over the cuckoo's nest.

 She obviously has double lids with rounder edges and a smaller, sharper nose. She even has visible alarplasty scars. You can see it from afar in unedited pics. But I guess it’s the light’s reflection this time (and every other time as well)

She obviously has none of those things. You could say you're obviously the Queen of England, and you probably have at some point in your life, but sadly that won't make it true. 

Alar what now? From afar you say? 

Speaking of selective vision, you must be far-sighted. 

[Jikrytae]

1 minute ago, Nctyleggo said:

 

Just as I thought. It's okay, you can at least walk away with your head held high knowing you tried your best.

Your best just wasn't good enough. It happens. 

[Jikrytae]

Just now, Nctyleggo said:

Nah, just gave up on trying to talk to a delulu fanboy.

”Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pidgeon. It’ll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it’s won anyway”.
 

I can relate. That's exactly why I recommended against you getting into chess. 

[Jikrytae]

3 minutes ago, neila said:

I guess that 99.99999% of kpop idol has had at least 1 eye related surgery, even if it's a minor one.

Okay, but there's no actual data to back that up. Just amateur rumor-mongering amongst people the likes of whom use this thread on a regular basis.

[Jikrytae]

1 hour ago, pinkpanda_spirit said:

What do you think of these pics tho @Nctyleggo ? This was when Jiyeon was still a kid and her eyes were large like the « after » pics you shared. I mean you only posted that blurry and low quality pic to show that she had tiny eyes but Jiyeon always had had large eyes

Here is another pic for comparison

 

And this is a pic after she debuted btw (so pic taken after the pics shared in the quoted post and the left one above). I can also « prove » she used to have tiny eyes with that pic even though it was taken AFTER pics where we could see she has large eyes... That doesn’t make sense right? Some people are so sure of themselves, pics could be tricky. Don’t believe everything you see so adamantly. I can also choose the pics that fit my « narratives » 

[Jikrytae]

52 minutes ago, Nctyleggo said:

ROSÈ. She had ginormous eyes predebut... in her angled selfies. You know. The ones with distorted camera lens.

Except the photos proving you wrong are NOT angled like that. At all. This is plain to see for anyone who doesn't need vision correction surgery.

Fail #189 (yes, I've been keeping score)

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With that said... Even in the pics you posted you can see the changes in her eyes. There‘s no longer remaining fat atop her eyelids

On 4/27/2021 at 10:03 AM, Nctyleggo said:

It depends on where you store your body fat.

So you think fat can leave the cheeks but not from above the eyes? Fail #190

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You can do all the blepharoplasty you want, an epicanthic fold won’t trim itself.

Except you've completely failed to demonstrate that she's trimmed anything. Her eye corners are the same shape in every photo where you can actually make them out, not the blurry messes you try to use as evidence of such details. Fail #191

You can also post as many photos of her nose as you want, it's not going to make these non-existent scars you've deluded yourself into seeing magically appear. There's literally nothing there. If anything, you've only helped prove how different her nose looks from those guys'. Fail #192

 

Here's your chance to neg me with all your sock puppets again. We both know why this remains the only consistently active thread on an otherwise dead forum.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Jikrytae

[Jikrytae]

3 hours ago, loozzer said:

oh i wasn't talking about u lol. there was a jiyeon/tzuyu stan clowning themselves for like 4 pages.

I was clowning others, not myself. And more importantly, no one asked.