Official Plastic Surgery Thread

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6 hours ago, StanSatan said:

Wow they look like normal people.  Karina specially, she looked robotic in her previous videos.  But she looks much more natural here. Even lingling. I like this better!

Giselle has a lil bit rose vibes

Definitely TBH, they overedited the hell out of them, idk why they did, it's clearly best to show their natural state, idk why they insist on playing around so much in photoshoot lol

We wouldn't even be having this convo if they didn't played around like crazy to start with o.o

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38 minutes ago, Eremit said:

I mean they still all definitely had surgery but maybe they wanted to get ahead of fans talking about it and said we'll make it look MUCH WORSE in the initital pics cause then the conversation dies down right away. Although I don't think that's a good strategy cause they just drew a lot of attention to the fact that they had PS compared to other groups, cause everyone wanted to compare them to their pre-debut pics since they looked so...uncanny valley.

Well, they sucked at making us not notice ps then rip

1 hour ago, KentasGlittery EyeMakeup said:

I still think they did it for their concept!

Maybe o.o you mean avatar thing? If that's the case it might have a logic but I still prefer more naturalness over that TBH, despite how it might suit concept

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6 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

Defo looks like a jaw shave. Its actually really similar to that of SNSD Yuri, which, in my opinion, was nothing but horrendous. He looked much more balanced before and did have a V line, so be damned whoever the frick decided it was a good idea. If the image is photoshopped, then I‘m tripping.

This is shared on his insta

And this is from official photocard merch

I say he definitely did something to his jaw seeing these more HQ. Idk if it's shave or fat dissolving (they inject a solution where it reduces fats in specific areas) BCS his jaw shape is different from a growing up change, it changed its shape 

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For Yoon, I think nose tip thinning rather than full on surgery

For rest... Well I will hope it's natural growth for her ages' sake. Double eyelids surprisingly can form naturally, and I don't see lateral canthoplasty tho, I think that's majorly make up

For jaw, I will say nothing since I don't see drastic enough difference shape wise, anything done to it (if any) is not permanent

She is so young tho, I hope more photos get out, BCS ugh I kind of hate the idea such young kid, who didn't even fill out her face yet, goes under such surgeries

If there is eyes closed pic of her send away here btw, zoomed in and not filtered, we can see eye surgeries from there rip

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I spoke too early lol found bunch of pics as soon as I talked

Her eyes are natural (at least double eyelids seem to be) other not so sure now

Nose I'm not sure, but seems natural from.even older pics? But then her middle school pics look very different, she almost has droopy eyes at that time from what I see?? 

 

 

(Check the whole thread!!)

And you can see bump on her nose, it seems like not full on surgery for sure then, only nose tip, Naeun style

 

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8 hours ago, Owlet said:

From this thread, now I feel like she's naturally born with double lids but they're somehow more defined now? Also her inner/outer eye corners look much bigger/more open.

Closed eyelid

 

I can't see too well with a gif tbh, rip she has too little content yet

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7 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

Onto AESPA’s Main Dancer, Karina.

EYES

Before

1st procedure

Final shape

Firstly, I want you to take a close look at her original eye shape. They were narrow, sharp almonds, with slight assymetry in regards to the epicanthic fold and a rather feeble hood. 
I belive her first procedures were a upper blepharoplasty, that removed sagging skin froand exposed her “natural” hoode eyelids, and a lateral canthoplasty, that opened up and rounded out the sharp edges of ther outer eye corners. She then had double eyelid surgery once again, to deepen and raise her eyelid crease and get them where they are now. Last, but not least, she has had an epicanthoplasty, which sorta fixed the charming irregularity of her eye’s inner cornes, exposed her tear glans and opened up her gaze.

 

NOSE

Before

After.

Before I continue, I want to clarify something. Out of all the members, Karina might well be the one that’s messed with her features the most overtime, so her face seems to be constantly changing.

It doesn’t take a genius to see that Karina’s indeed undergone rhinoplasty. I suspect changes have been performed on her nose more than once, but until I get her pre ps (and obviously, pre debut) pictures assorted by date, I won’t be able to tell exactly when she did what. I think she’s had, however, a typoplasty, where her nose tip has been narrowed down, upturned and then enhanced with what I suspect might be either an implant or fillers. Shes most likely had some sort of slicone implant (60% likely) or fillers (we’ll have to see how her nose evolves over time to make sure. I do think, and I might be tripping here, she’s had some subtle shaving down of her nosebridge’s lateral cartilage, to narrow its breadth just a bit. She’s, as of last, modified it to be a ski-slope shape.

LIPS
Based on her older pictures, I’m led to believe she’s had a v to the y liplift. It’s a subtle one, but once you see it, you can’t unsee it. Sure, she’s always had a fairly defined bow, but it certainly didn’t stand out or had as much outward projection as it has now, even when comparing smilig pictures you can see the difference. To get them as plump as they are as of now, she’s had a fairly moderate and skillfully done share of fillers.

JAW

I’m pretty much sold on a jawshave. Compare her before and after, she almost has no jawbone now, and from certain angles bones aren’t joint where they sould be. It has been an excessive and, in my opinion, utterly unnecessary, procedure of bone removal. She had a natural V shape before. That “unbalanced” feeling you get when you look at her face comes, most likely, from some unfortunate fucked-up jawwork that disrupts her overall facial harmony.

SKIN

As far as we can tell, sis has always been naturally pale. She’s just had to avoid too much sun exposure, slap some sunscreen on, and she was good to go. I just wish the money SM has saved from her skin whitening procedure had gone to a more skilled and experienced jaw surgeon that would have kicked the poor girl out of his clinic as soon as a jaw-shave or the like was brought up.

 

Once again, feel free to discuss and comment, we’re here to learn from each other and remember that almost no celebrity  born looking as polished as they do aside from perhaps young Monica Belluci, so please, love yourselves as you are and make sure that every change you make to yourself comes from within and isn’t forced upon by unrealistic outer expectations.

 

 

 

I agree everything maybe minus, funnily enough, typoplasty, I believe a good doctor can create than effect with rhinoplasty, without fillers but like you said we gotta wait first. Also at times her eyes look edited, they might be smaller than what we expect any ideas on that?

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It seems like sm made it into a challenge to give every member perfect double eyelids, which is a shame considering how loved Seulgi is rip

Like winter was completely fine why would you play with her eyes?? 

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11 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

Giselle still has her hoods tho. 

I think she had surgery before joining sm that's why o.o

 

20 hours ago, Nctyleggo said:

I guess it is an aesthetic preference regarding the whole group, like they’re all some sort of android with the same character design. Winter legit looks Eurasian with how much they’ve messed with her features. I also think constantly about what it may have felt like to be “advised” to change basically your entire face at such a young age. I hope they leave things as they are for them, because invasive procedures tend to age badly and need constant upkeep and they’re literally just teens.

Exactly what I thought too, there is a reason normal plastic surgeons try to advise some younger people against it because they know features need growing in, I always remember a Disney child star? I forgot her name but her mom got her a nose job at 14? 15? And she changed herself ALOT as years passed like constantly to make face fit in again

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2 hours ago, Wdojcdid8 said:

Dove Cameron?

yeah that girlie, poor her honestly, she looks around 30 now, despite being in 20s and ngl i kind of blame her mother for that

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1 hour ago, StanSatan said:

Her eyes already look enhanced in the first set of pics here. Its a lot bigger than in her childhood pics, not just slightly(which would be natural growth). If she was a trainee or started auditioning in the first set of pics, its likely that she already got surgery by then.  I know it's hard for people to digest when kids in their early teens get surgery(prolly why they do it early), but surgeons have revealed before that they got clients as young as 8-9 years old.

She is definitely a trainee there, companies start bleaching hairs around close to debut era, so they can try different hairstyles on idols before deciding what is best. That's why you might see ALOT of predebur idols having too long hair or blonde hair lol

In the mean time, I watched that famous winter fancam, they truly shouldn't have played with her nose, it reduced her aura somehow

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5 hours ago, babysnowflake said:

Yeri's photoshopping is so cringe and obvious. She makes herself into a whole different person. She looks gorgeous in unshopped pics.

I'm totally shocked by Winter's before pics. She looks completely different, pretty plain looking. she must have had enough potential predebut that sm decided to take her as trainee. She looks beautiful now, so I hope she maintains this and doesn't do anything else.

Some faces are just perfect for ps, some people have face shape and type that can handle ps really well and look natural, SM probably noticed that as she despite making quite a numerous changes,still looks quite natural 

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3 hours ago, mei said:

I guess sm gave her the taeyeon face.

Giselle - yuri/Krystal face

Ning Ning - Jennie face

I think Karina is the one with minimum ps done.

Karina's jaw and eyes are dare I say more obvious than Ningning I think o.o

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6 minutes ago, shia said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHP0OjRnI9Q/

It looks like shes trying to look like Chaeyeon but ended up more plastic looking. Her lips are huge 

This is bit of an old pic but from what i saw her lips are still quite bloated, reddened eyes tho, lenses and double eyelid surgeries so dont match rip

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2 hours ago, Lolly21 said:

I've realized that MANY idols seem get Bichectomy. Back when I was a B2UTY (fandom name for BEAST, which later turned into HIGHLIGHT) Yoseob became more fit with lean muscles around 2013, but his face looked slimmer although he was never fat. Same with Hyunseung. I'm pretty sure they both had Bichectomy. I mean, how else can you lose weight on your face and not on your body? LOL

You can, you can reduce your body fat to minimal aka making all your weight only muscle, but its such an hard thing to do... More often than not you might only lose minimal fat at face too

So it is possible tho very hard

 

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2 minutes ago, shia said:

It's the most recent picture she posted of herself I could find on instagram. All her newer posts are promotional pictures or they're hard to see because of all the shadows. 

I agree, im waiting for mv bcs of that lol, but ugh tbh it seems like from promo pics she made her lips bigger, shaved her jaw more and got a implant. I dont think she is necessarily dieting healthy as well, considering her neck... 

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1 hour ago, Owlet said:

I've only noticed that now but what's up with that strange dashed line that's above her double lid?

I've never seen that on anyone before so I doubt it's just a simple crease, it follows her actual eye shape so to me it looks a bit too "man-made" to be natural.

I think this pic is one of the HD fied ones, so we gotta look at original rather than this, for nose it's fine to look at this, but for eyes we need more detail so no machine rendered pictures lol, that thing even removes mingyu's double eyelids (which is frankly really handsome lol)

 

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16 minutes ago, pjihoon said:

What procedures did Eunha have exactly? Her eye lids look so unnatural.

Wow her eyes looks very... White here o.o

To my knowledge from childhood she had inner double eyelid but she surgically changed it to out double eyelids (kind of like Giselle's eyes Vs Winter's eyes in aespa) otherwise eunha tends to go overboard with fillers rather than anything else

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why does some members of enyphen seems to have nose job o.o it looks so unnatural, i watched the mv and i think jake? and one of them too (first one appeared i think), those two have such weirdly shaped and unfitting to their face noses, i cant help but notice it rip maybe they are natural but i feel like they had some fillers there, as shape is really off compared to face size at certain angles. is there anyone who has opinion about this?

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btw i saw someone respond thinking reaction to HD fied pictures thing. Basically some apps, have an AI based system where is tries to make low quality pictures HD. Its usually easy to spot like for Winter's case, her side face is weirdly distorted due to that, you can see it from her lashes. 

To give example, it assumes features, like here, programme assumed Mingyu to be monolid, when infact he is not

Spoiler

I gave him as an example since he is one of the idols that has a natural very deep double eyelids

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3 hours ago, Owlet said:

I'm the one who did the haha, I would've never thought that these types of programmes could do that so thank you for explaining it!!

I don't really know the members very well and I've only looked at a few of Jay and Jake's predebut pictures, but I think you might be onto something when it comes to them possibly messing with their noses.

Jake has quite a few predebut pictures but they're either: predebut but not necessarily pre-surgery or from when he was a kid so I can't exactly tell what he might've done, but I'm glad I found pictures of jay doing the same facial expression in the before and after so the changes are a bit more obvious with him.

JAKE

BEFORE:

AFTER:

 

JAY

BEFORE:

AFTER:

No problem!! Feel free to ask too, if I didn't checked past page I wouldn't even see it rip  

Jake seems natural, I was talking about another member but wow Jay looked nothing like his current look?? Which is surprising for me because he is considered Jun alike, and Jun barely changed at all

I feel like he had fillers or maybe implant for chin looking here?? And even jaw shave perhaps? I did not expect that considering he looks fairly natural o.o maybe I thought that because Jun is natural rip

I was talking about Heeseung btw, I googled and found about him!! I'm pretty sure he relies heavily on fillers and maybe nosejob (I need more predebut pics) 

Current:

Predebut:

(I hope these are all him btw) 

Currently his nose is overly perky, I suspect fillers at tip, and fillers at chin 

He is too young to overly rely on fillers rip, its a shame

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7 minutes ago, Owlet said:

Oh yeah he does look like jun! was wondering who he was reminding of lol.

But yeah I highly doubt Heeseung didn't make alterations to his nose, whatever they were (most likely fillers but who knows, could be an implant too). And it might just be me but I feel like his nose looks different in every picture.

Also, I think jay's eyelids got somehow smaller over the years? Like I know that can happen as you get older but the difference between the before and after pictures just looked a bit odd to me..

they were more outer and turned to full on inner eyelids, this can happen naturally, it can also happen with surgery too tho its something hard to pinpoint. They usually ignore your original fold and create new one they believe as more aesthetic. Similar to winter, where she had double eyelids but hers got changed because they were not equal or suitable for make up. 

Heeseung, homestly i agree, he looks like a different person in every pic i found, thats why i noted down 

1 hour ago, lighterxx said:

(I hope these are all him btw) 

Because he looked so different to me. In some pics his eyeshape face shape nose lips everything has small changes, in others they look more different and natural. Idk wha t is happening unless he started to get surgery at very young age. 

I myself didnt notice Jay Jun similarity tbh, Hoshi did, i didnt notice before him lol

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2 hours ago, Owlet said:

The guy in those pictures is Heeseung but it's actually Jay who resembles Jun a bit. Althought I don't think he naturally looks like him

From what I've seen of her in aespa vs her SMrookies days, Ning Ning got a cat eyelift. But I kinda wanna see her current face with no makeup to be totally convinced.

 

I heard that when people get plastic surgery at a young age, whatever change you did won't be completely permanent and your face will continue to change/grow overtime (that's especially true for the nose and not for drastic and irreversible changes like a jaw shave) so maybe that's what happened with him?

First, I am surprised Jay looks like Jun with surgery, Jun has quite an interesting, natural face, so it would be interesting to get a full on surgery and instead look like someone else you didn't aim for rip

Oh well, Jun is gorgeous at least so no need for worry 

For Heeseung, I think it could be like you said, but if that's the case it is quite sad. But if what you said is true, it also explains why his nose is constantly changing. Face grows up, he makes small changes, face grows again, and tiny changes again rinse and repeat till today. Still, that's too young to have surgery, I'm judging his parents not gonna lie. 

6 hours ago, Eirene29 said:

Oh, that's the guy Jun danced with on I Land? Damn they look NOTHING alike. Who even said that anyway? LOL That side profile...girl, that nose...

Anyway the only person Jun looks alike is Heechul anyway. His face is way too unique honestly. 

Jun looks like Jay, whose pic is shared by Owlet. He is not natural too, but from plus side he knew where to stop. The pics you quoted and I shared is Heeseung lol

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29 minutes ago, MicrowavedTeaforYourSoul said:

Are those just bad lightning/makeup? Why she looks so stiff?

No her moving face looks very stiff too. 

https://youtu.be/tcvNtZRrLt8

She looks better in video tho, I think it's because she is a bit stiff from fillers Botox etc, but light also makes it seem worse than it actually is. 

She still really needs to stop however. 

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46 minutes ago, seokii said:

Bit of a late response, but I guarantee they didn't put fillers under her chin lol that is an extremely undesirable place to add "mass" to a person's face

I'm pretty sure it's just the way her fat naturally collects. Jennie is kind of the same way (interestingly, since they kind of look somewhat alike) where sometimes her face looks "squishy" with almost a bit of a double chin even though she's also very slim and doesn't have much fat on her body in general.

Likewise, I know people irl who both do and do not collect fat there. It can also happen with medication: I know someone personally who is VERY underweight (I'm talking like, Lizzy at her lowest kind of underweight... much past the point of "kpop skinny") but one day I saw her with a double chin out of nowhere. I didn't think she had even enough fat on her body to form a double chin even if you pushed it all up to her neck, but whatever medication she was on was giving her all kind of neck and chin bloat. I do know it was from the medication because she was dealing with a lot of health issues at the time.

I'm not saying that Ningning is on a medication like that though lol I would have NO way of knowing that. But my point at its core is that even very skinny people can have an appearance like that for multiple reasons, and it's absolutely possible to have that kind of appearance from just bloating instead of fat. I sincerely think it is not a consequence of the plastic surgery she's had.

Oodly vitamin d always bloats me for example lol