Official Plastic Surgery Thread

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50 minutes ago, sanchelin said:

I miss infinite 

I'm not 100% sure but I think L had some subtle nose work. 

 I think it's debatable, but if he did it was very conservative

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, zhvero said:

Looking at the pictures you provided and some pictures from google, it does look like he got a little bit of eye work (to even out his eyes and then I looked at some pictures from google and in some pictures it seems like his tear ducts are more exposed so maybe he could have gotten a inner corner cut too along with his outer corners, but I don't follow L/Myungsoo so I'm not too sure/dk how accurate those photos were). He also seems to have a tiny bit of nose work. His bridge looks ever so slightly raised and where his nose tip looked a little round in the before pic it doesn't look like that anymore in the after and looks more refined. Its really good work and so subtle. I'm actually glad we're talking about L, I always thought he was one of the most attractive idols I've ever seen and seeing how he's basically natural and only got the tiniest of work done, wow did he hit the genetic jackpot 

I agree for his nose! It's so subtle and extremely well done in my opinion. Looking at his eyes though, I personally don't think I see corner work?:

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by meeeplet

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3 hours ago, good_morning said:

Golden Child

here he is

 
 

and some predebut stuff

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, UrmiUndone said:

Perhaps nose and eyes but heard to guess to be honest tbh. Frankly though with the advent and prevalence of plastic surgery in East Asia, even someone who is from Mongoloid background like me have heard time gauging.

I don't see any major changes in him. I think he's a good example of someone who grew into their features:

There are a couple little things though. He does look like he may have chin fillers:

More for chin fillers:

Spoiler

 

I also think a subtle epicanthoplasty is possible, though I'm a little unsure about that one:

 

Overall, he seems quite natural and I'm really glad he didn't touch his nose! It's not cookie-cutter but I think that's part of its appeal. It's distinctive and works well with his other features.

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2 hours ago, Eirene29 said:

He very obviously had an asymmetrical jaw, It definitely looks like he got that fixed. Don't know if it's true reduction or implant on the 'lacking side'. 

Also the nose is quite subtly done, You can see in the 45 degrees pics you posted how his bridge is slightly taller than it was before while maintaining his overall natural shape. Such exquisite work. 

He really looks like a natural. 

 

41 minutes ago, Eirene29 said:

Yeah, It can definitely be a possibility because it looks like his jaw is actually bigger. Unless he get regular fillers on one side of his jaw? Idk

Like I said, the nose is very well-done. It could  be one of those thread nose jobs we discussed for Svt's Dino or a cartilage one.

Good catch for his jaw! I don’t know how I missed that haha it was staring me right in the face. Anyway, yes, I think you’re right and he’s had that jaw asymmetry corrected. As for his nose, I did notice the tip looks higher but it’s so slight that I dismissed it, though now you mention thread lifts I think that may be a possible. It might be fillers to the tip too?  I don’t think it could be an implant, though I may be wrong. The front view is pretty much identical. Really good work there if he did in fact have nose work. 
 

Overall, I’m noticing a pattern with Bomin, L, and Junho too: Woollim visuals seem to make the tiniest of subtle changes that result in a very natural, but slightly more refined look. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by meeeplet

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10 hours ago, good_morning said:

Wow, anything on Myungsoo?

Myungsoo was discussed a page or two back but it looks like he had some subtle nose work and eye work. 

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1 hour ago, Wnnabe said:

I know they were talked I just wanted to say my opinion since many people say Yeonjun had lip fillers, but I think he actually had lip lift + mouth corner lift. And chin fillers.

Btw is it common for minors to get plastic surgery? Because I think Sunoo had a nose job too since I-land but he was 16-17....

 I agree with what you said for Yeonjun. I think he had a lip lift too, not just fillers, which I mentioned a little while back. As for corner lip lift, I didn't catch that one, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had one.

As for PS in minors, yes, it is fairly common in the industry. I think the thing is that most of the time it happens while the idols are trainees, before we're introduced to them, so we often don't really realize how young they likely were when they had some procedures. 

Sunoo I think actually had a nose job before I-land (maybe that's what you meant tho?) He used to have more of a "roman" nose from side profile and on the show he already had a ski-slope bridge.

Edited June 25, 2021 by meeeplet

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On 7/7/2021 at 4:06 PM, good_morning said:

Someone here said that Rowoon started to look like Siwon and now I can’t unsee it help

 

 

 

ps. Anything on sf9 hiwyoung? Boy is so gorgeous 

 

On 7/7/2021 at 6:06 PM, sooa_t said:

found some predebut Rowoon:

 

 

On 7/7/2021 at 6:17 PM, sooa_t said:

talking about SF9, found some images from the other members:

jaeyoon

zuho

hwiyoung

youngbin

inseong

chani

taeyang

dawon

SF9 are my ult group and I posted about them a while back but I'll give my current opinions here (my older post was kind of a mess):

Rowoon - nose job, epicanthoplasty, double eyelid surgery, and fillers

Inseong - nose job, epicanthoplasty

Dawon - nose job

Youngbin - natural? (he has very few predebuts and the ones he does have aren't great quality but based on them, I don't see any major changes. I do find his jaw to be kind of suspicious but I couldn't find any evidence that it isn't natural). 

Jaeyoon - nose job (he's another one with like no predebuts but his nose demonstrates a lot of the signs of a (slightly overly-done imo) nose job. It reminds me a little of Lee Jongsuk's nose pre-revision though not as extreme.)

Chani - natural

Taeyang - natural

Zuho - natural

Hwiyoung - natural? (he has what could be alarplasty scars but I honestly don't see a change in his nose from predebut to now so I'm more inclined to believe that the "scars" are just discoloration.)

I hope that was helpful and thank you for asking about SF9! I'm really happy to see them getting more attention after Kingdom and with their comeback. 

Edited July 28, 2021 by meeeplet

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17 hours ago, sanchelin said:

I'm happy there's other sf9 fans here 

Do Inseong's eyes look any different to you? I don't know if it's his eyelids or outer corners but they seem more round/open. I could be wrong, but I've followed him since debut and I can't help but feel like his eyes look different now

I don't really trust his selfies but it's hard to find other pics

 

1 hour ago, pjihoon said:

He has his inner corners and deepened his eyelids. In the second to last photo, you can really see how exposed and sharp his inner corners are

Yep. It looks like he got his inner corners cut by way of an epicanthoplasty. They look sharper and more tear duct is exposed. I wouldn’t say he’s had his eyelids deepened though. They were always inner and therefore visible from a slightly lower angle, like the ones the newer pictures are taken at, and not visible at the higher/more neutral angle the older pics are from. Good catch with the eyes though! The inner corners definitely changed at some point in the last couple years.

Edited July 18, 2021 by meeeplet

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I came across a recent Cravity performance and was surprised by how different Minhee's nose looked....

 

  

It looks to me like his bridge was raised and nose made overall sharper and narrower. I honestly think this nose job was totally unnecessary and he's so young.... Considering Yujin's and Wonyoung's situations as well I'm quite disappointed in Starship.

 

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On 8/6/2021 at 1:08 AM, Rei sakuma said:

For men, their jaws usually develop and get "wider" during puberty.

And yeah, Jaehyun has said before that he often gains weight in his face first but that's not really what we focus on when spotting the work he had done. His entire mandible is missing (not weak, but entirely missing) no matter what diet he is on.

for the nose, There's this picture where you can spot scars on his nose. (I posted this before a couple hundred pages ago but I'll post it again since we're on this topic).

I totally agree for the alarplasty! However, I just want to clarify and say he DOES have a mandible/gonial angle. It's just a lot weaker than it would probably have been before his jaw shave. He tends to have loose skin in the jaw area which can hide mandible angle (and his whole jaw bone) but its definitely there:

Compared to Doyoung who actually doesn't have a really at all mandible angle, there's a clear difference:

Jaehyun, like the majority of people, has an (almost) right angle that projects beneath his ear. Doyoung's jaw on the other hand just continues straight up to his ear. You can almost be where mandible angle should be and where the bone was removed. Jaehyun's looks so much more natural than Doyoung's to me and I think the mandible angle is a big part of that. 

If you're trying to find someone's mandible angle my advice is to find a pick where you can clearly see there jaw bone (sometimes its helpful to find shots where they're looking over their shoulder). Not every jaw shave completely annihilates the mandible angle, especially in a case like Jaehyun's where there was enough jaw to begin with that even after removing enough bone to make his face narrower from the front he still had some mandible angle left over.

I've also noticed that there are some jaw shaves that avoid shaving the mandible angle significantly and instead remove bone mostly from the lower jaw/the sides of the chin like in Karina's case. The result of this is a jaw that's narrower from the front but doesn't look much changed from the side.

Karina's mandible angle was weak to start of with so I wonder if her surgeon decided it would be safer not to mess with it too much.

Edited August 7, 2021 by meeeplet

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6 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

Extremely helpful and frankly, I still find Karina's jaw shave kinda weird. Now, I wonder if NCT's Yuta had a jaw shave or not since long tbh. Can you please check it?

Yeah of course! I think it's pretty much common knowledge that he's messed with his chin (on multiple occasions) but looking at his jaw, I actually don't see any major changes there:

He has a pretty prominent mandible angle actually, more prominent than Jaehyun's. Looking at his most recent pictures, that's still the case:

His actual jaw bone has very little slope (it's pretty straight) which makes sense given he naturally has a square jaw. He plays around with fillers which have elongated his chin and made his jaw seem more v-shaped from the front, but the actual bone doesn't look to have changed.

I think he also edits his insta photos a lot to make his jaw look more sloped and his chin pointier so I wouldn't trust them:

 This is what his jaw looks like as of a month ago: 

Assuming he hasn't messed with it since, I would say no jaw shave for him.

I hope that was helpful!

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2 hours ago, Oriane said:

As a Jaehyun fan since... Forever lol (2015) yes he has done quite a bit. A jaw shave (his jaw used to be super strong), a nose job, maybe botox, maybe lip fillers (I’m not sure about this one tbh). He did his jaw work very young (when he was 15 I think ?) and while he’s really handsome I cannot help but feel bad for him tbh.

I think he has even more pressure than the others considering he’s THE visual of the group. Low key wish he was known for his voice too

I (like almost everyone on this thread) used to be pretty sure Jaehyun had a jaw shave too but someone posted something a few pages back that made me start to question it. Basically, they said he may have just used a heck ton of masseter botox and eased up on it as of late rather than shaving his jaw and getting jaw implants to rebuild it. I was skeptical of this theory and kind of I still am, his jaw is honestly a big question mark for me. One interesting thing is his jaw doesn't go straight up to his ear a lot of other idols who have had a jaw shave. He still has a pretty clear (though weak) mandible angle:

I assumed this meant that he must have had stronger mandible angle to begin with and it was just shaved down, but looking at his predebuts, that doesn't appear to be the case. His mandible angle was always on the weaker side:

Looking at his photos over the years too, his mandible angle also seems to have been surprisingly consistent from predebut until now. I don't see a change there even with the fluctuations in his jaw width from the front view:

Pre debut and likely pre any work:

As a trainee and after SM started messing with his jaw (whether it be botox, a jaw shave, or some combo of both):

In 2020, after his jaw looked wider again from the front:

2021:

Pre debut vs 2021:

The second picture is around the time his jaw started to look significantly narrower from the front (around when people guess he may have had his jaw shaved) and the 2020 one is after it had started to look wider again (after people suspect he got jaw implants. However, the mandible angle looks like it never changed. It's been consistent from predebut until the present.

What this makes me think is that he didn't have a jaw implant. Jaw implants attach to the gonial/mandible angle area and make it more pronounced:

If Jaehyun had had jaw implants we would have seen a stronger mandible angle pop up which we didn't.

I would take jaw implants off the table but that does mean we no longer have an explanation for why his jaw suddenly started to look wider again from the front. Jaws can't "regrow" after a jaw shave. An evolution of his jaw from the front over the years:

Predebut (pre any jaw work):

2016 (debut) (post any jaw work):

2017:

2018: (he looks really gaunt here. Like he lost a lot of weight. There is like no fat around his jaw area anymore and I can see that his jaw bones are actually somewhat asymmetrical. The left side is more pronounced than the right. I think this is around the time people started to speculate he'd had jaw implants?)

2019: (his face looks fuller again here).

2020:

2021: (I know this picture is touched up slightly. Sorry. I couldn't find a better one.)

Pre debut vs 2021:

I'm not fully sure what I think of his jaw besides that I don't think had jaw implants. The width of his jaw has fluctuated over the years, but honestly, I don't see much change in his jaw bone. It looks to me like what's fluctuated was the flesh over his jaw and probably the masseter muscle. He's a rather odd case and he's definitely done other stuff (alarplasty, botox, fillers, many buccal fat removal?) but looking at his jaw, I'm not so sure he had a jaw shave after all. I'd love to hear what you guys think!

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3 hours ago, Orb said:

Can someone fill me in about jungwon's jaw case. Jaw shave or just masseter botox? 

I think some of these pics are of Sunghoon, not Jungwon?

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8 hours ago, Orb said:

There's jungwon's predebut on the second tweet. I cant post those pictures separately here and i dont know how, thats why. 

No worries! In future, maybe try two finger clicking on the pic and selecting the "copy image address" option. Then you can paste the link you get into your post and the image should pop up. I hope that helps!

Edited August 18, 2021 by meeeplet

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12 hours ago, superloydy said:

https://twitter.com/yoonatella/status/1432164848616366089?s=20

 

so 9/9 members of snsd shaved their jaws whyyyy

 

12 hours ago, Poetry said:

The link is to this picture for me

One of them got buccal fat removal for sure but I don't see how you can call jaw shaving.

 

4 hours ago, UrmiUndone said:

I am not sure if Seohyun shaved her jaw or not. I think she hasn't done much invasive work apart from nose. But I have speculated earlier about her jaw shave here. 

I don't think Seohyun has had a jaw shave. Her jaw bone doesn't seem to have changed since predebut.

Predebut:

2008:

2016:

She does have a mandible angle, though it's very weak and close to the ear:

Tiffany, I do think has had a jaw shave. I believe its been discussed here a while back, but her jaw looks like this:

Her jaw bone goes straight up to her ear and there is not a visible mandible angle.

Looking at her older pics, it looks like this wasn't always the case, leading me to believe she shaved her jaw in SNSD's early years, probably between 2009 and 2010. 

Pre jaw shave:

Comparisons:

As for Sooyoung, I suspect she has in recent years gotten either chin fillers or a chip implant, but I don't see a jaw shave:

 

SNSD, along with Aespa, is one of the groups with the highest percentages of jaw shaves (SM's stupid obsession with v-lines), but I definitely wouldn't say 9/9 members of have had one.

 

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On 9/1/2021 at 1:30 PM, Lolly21 said:

I've been getting into SF9 recently and Youngbin's face has slimmed down a lot since 2016.

It was a gradual change though, but a noticeable one nonetheless. His face shape is still the same.

I know SF9 has been discussed already but his face is intriguing to me, lol.

Baby Youngbin:

Here are some random gifs because it's hard for me to find pictures that are not so edited, lol:

 

2016 - 2021.

Was it really just weight loss? Am I just crazy? He was around 21-22 years old when he debuted, I think. He's currently 27.

 

 

On 9/1/2021 at 1:39 PM, good_morning said:

I’m getting into them too haha

 

theres an obvious difference between that red coat gif and the last one-looks like a jaw shave but I’m not sure, might really be a weight loss and natural aging.

mostly sf9 seems quite natural or their work is subtle (not all of them tho)

I'm so happy to see people getting into SF9!!! They've been my ult group since good guy and it's amazing to see them getting more recognition these days.

As for Youngbin, I think it's either weight loss/aging or buccal fat removal. His actual jaw bone hasn't changed during his active years (It's always been kind of sus looking and had a very weak mandible angle but based on the few predebuts of his I could find I think it's natural and that he didn't a jaw shave predebut either). I hope that helps!

 

 

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6 hours ago, good_morning said:

Tbh as much as i like him, I haven’t paid that much attention to his nose lmao. But here are some recent’ish pics (from tear drop era), and that “scar” or wtv is here

 

 

But it is invisible here

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6EkdsvVcAIvO4Y?format=jpg&name=large

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Lolly21 said:

I think someone said some pages back that they think Inseong got a procedure on his nose...

 

 

4 hours ago, good_morning said:

I remember that, but i really didn’t notice that scar and much changes in his nose, tho i’ve watched lots of sf9 content… weird. 

I think he had a nose job predebut and an epicanthoplasty more recently. The scar is probably from the initial nose job. I also don't see any changes in his nose since then so I don't think he's had anything else done to it more recently. The scar is pretty faint and is likely usually covered up with makeup/edited out which I guess is probably we haven't noticed it before. That's probably why it's only visible on one nostril too -- either the makeup only rubbed off on one side or the other side faded more. Idols are probably given scar creams to help fade nose job scars and the like but it's possible it was more effective on one side than the other. I doubt he just had his nostrils brought in on the left side haha. I hope that helps : )

 

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23 hours ago, plastichearts said:

does anyone know what txt members have gotten done?

I haven't checked up on them recently, but from what I remember...

Yeonjun: nose job (at least x2), lip fillers, corner lip lift, center lip lift, chin implant/filler

Soobin: double eyelids, lip fillers

Beomgyu: nose job, double eyelids

Taehyun: nose job, epicanthoplasty? 

Huening Kai: natural? (his eyes were more hooded predebut so may have had a blepheroplasty, though I'm unsure. He may also have had fillers in his nose bridge on and off to smooth it out somewhat)

I hope that helps!

Edited September 11, 2021 by meeeplet

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5 hours ago, sanchelin said:

A lip lift decreases the distance between the lip and the nose. To my understanding, it's usually done when the upper lip is too long

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I think in Yeonjun’s case he got another nose job after doing his lips which raised his nasal tip and thereby increased the distance between his nose and his lips that the lip lift may have decreased previously. I think the work he had done on his lips was to make them plumper and poutier. Center lip lifts raise the middle of the lips which also leads to move teeth-showage and that may have been the effect he was after.

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1 hour ago, ihaigah said:

Just saw that video on my timeline, his chin looks off. Is this a filler or implant? Looks like an implant to me?

https://twitter.com/tiny__hyuni/status/1438875703236247555

 

I think it’s an implant. He’s had his chin discussed here before and the conclusion if I remember correctly is that he likely had a chin implant. I hope that helps! 

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1 hour ago, itzyclub said:

basically (upper) blepharoplasty is eye lid surgery which gives double eye lids, lateral canthroplasty cuts the outer corner of the eyes and epicanthoplasty cuts the inner corners. these procedures are commonly done together. i personally think she mainly did blepharoplasty because her lids are the main difference, as well as lateral canthroplasty to give her eyes the wider look now.

 

38 minutes ago, Lyanna15171 said:

Blepharoplasty is removal of fat from the upper eyelids or correction of sagging/disconnected eyelids. It's popular among idols cause it makes the eyes larger. Epicanthoplasty is double eyelid surgery. I doesn't make your eyes much bigger. 

Blepheroplasty is the removal of the the fat pad above the eye like  @Lyanna15171 said. It can reveal a double eyelid that was previously hidden by skin (in the case of hooded eyes) but it cannot create one. Asian blerpheroplasty is another name for double eyelid surgery which actually makes an incision to create a crease that was not previously there. Epicanthoplasty is not double eyelid surgery. It's the removing of skin around the epicanthic fold to reveal more of the tearduct, basically, inner corner cutting like @itzyclub said. It wasn't mentioned here but for the record having your eyelids "clipped" is having a pre-existing double eyelid crease redone/raised or deepened. Karina actually seems to have had a natural double eyelid crease:

The main "issue," Like @itzyclub said, was the fat pad above her eye which effectively hid that crease and made her eyes seem smaller. She likely had blerpheroplasty done to remove this fat pad and open her eyes up. These days, her creases also seems deeper and more even so I think it's likely she had her eyelids clipped:

I'm not sure about her inner corners being being cut via an epicanthoplasty (the shape doesn't look too different to me) but I'm pretty sure she had a lateral canthoplasty. The rim of the outer corner of her eye is lower now, showing more of white space.  

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9 hours ago, ahhhhhgsgsgdstn said:

I've noticed this too, I see a lot of chinese celebs with very strong noses much more often than amongst korean celebrities, like the WayV member Hendery also comes to mind. I wonder if it's related to China's proximity to Russia? In japan I know that one of the reasons why many japanese people have stronger noses than other east asians is because they have inhereted on average between 8% to 45% of their genome from one of the ancient japanese ethnic groups, the Jomon people, who inhabited Japan thousands of years ago and had a few gene alleles that are associated with features commonly found among middle-easteners and europeans like having larger noses and being more hairy. Genetics are cool

I think part of it is that China is a lot bigger than Korean and is comprised of many more ethnic groups, which leads to more diversity of facial features. The Korean population, on the other hand, is very homogenous. In Hendery's case, he's actually Macanese, and since Macau was formerly a Portuguese colony, as I understand it, a fair number of Macanese people do have some Portuguese blood. Looking at Hendery's features, I wouldn't be surprised if he is one of those people who has Portuguese ancestry. 

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5 hours ago, O2O3O922 said:

i recently learned that injections like botox can do a lot to change the shape of the face. But how do we tell if a person did masseter botox, contour injection, or a jaw shave?? i do know the differences between them but i personally thought it's kinda sad if people thought someone shaved their jaw when it was actually just botox

I think this is the kind of case where it’s important to understand not just the ideal result of a procedure/ why someone would get it done, but also how it’s done. Masseter Botox, jaw shaves, and, I’m assuming, contour injections, though I’m not as familiar with them, have similar purposes: they all make the jaw area/lower face seem narrower and less prominent. The difference, and the best way to spot which is which, is how they go about doing this. For me, a good way to think about it is masseter Botox deals with muscle, contour injections deal with fat, and jaw shaves deal with bone. 

If you see an idol with a seemingly narrower lower face the best thing to do, in my opinion, is look at their previous pictures and try to pinpoint exactly what has changed to cause this effect: their facial fat, their jaw muscles, or their actual jaw bone itself. I think it could be harder to distinguish between the less invasive procedures (masseter Botox and contour injections) but it’s not too difficult to separate them from a jaw shave. Jaw shaves literally cut away and remove chunks of bone from the sides of the jaw bone to create a narrower impression from the front. This means that someone who’s had a jaw shave will have a noticeable difference in their jaw bone. It will seem steeper from the side and most of the time the mandible angle itself will be either weaker or, in some cases, seemingly completely gone. This is the “jaw goes straight to the ear” effect that’s usually a dead giveaway of a jaw shave, and probably the easiest way to recognize one, especially without earlier photos to reference. (Not all jaw shaves have this result, of course.) 

If someone’s lower face seems narrower but their jaw bone hasn’t changed, I’d likely chalk it up to a less invasive procedure, probably masseter Botox which seems to be fairly common (there are also some cases where weight loss might be involved.)

I think understanding how the procedures work can really help us both with spotting them and distinguishing between them, but also with avoiding jumping to the conclusion that everyone with a narrower jaw area has had a jaw shave, and not really understanding how that procedure is performed, how it presents on the face, and how incredibly invasive it is. I hope that helps! 

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On 10/17/2021 at 11:51 AM, exodus05 said:

jaehyun had masseter botox? I thought he had his jaw shaved + implants inserted?

 

On 10/17/2021 at 12:51 PM, SepiaSkies said:

There have been a few users who have pointed out in the past that Jaehyun's look can be achieved with botox, and I also talked about it here not too long ago. There's this post which I believe was a reference to the post I previously made and the user goes really into depth how him getting jaw implants is rather unlikely, providing pictures and all. It's worth a read and really solidified my opinion that Jaehyun did not get jaw implants but instead allowed his muscles to build back up again.

We as fans of course can only speculate, we are not his doctors and are not entitled to know anything about his procedures. But I personally think masseter muscle botox is far more likely in his case than a jaw shave+implants to reverse the process, given how his jaw evolved over the years.

 

Yeah, it's becoming more and more apparent to me that Jaehyun most likely did not shave his jaw and just really went in with the masseter botox instead. I think a user on the previous page mentioned something about a side effect of masseter botox being that it can leave you looking quite gaunt and that seems to be the case with Jaehyun. Because of this, you can very clearly see his jaw bone, and it really does not look like a shaved one. He has a clear mandible angle, a blunt chin, and a jaw bone that doesn't have much slope to it:

 

It's the same jaw structure he had predebut:

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19 hours ago, beloved said:

Hi I made an account on here like 6 years ago and I always wanted to post here but never got the chance. I noticed Rose's face changed alot over the years but couldn't pinpoint exactly what she did until users on here showed her getting a jaw shave. I was watching a video today and I can see a chin implant moving in her chin, it looks so weird idk how I never noticed it before! you can also see how her jaw is now egg shaped and lost that nice mandible she had at debut

Hey! I think you may be on to something with a chin implant for Rosé. You can kind of see it here too:

Here chin also looks like it was less projected predebut:

However, I don't think she's had a jaw shave.

I know there have been discussions around her having one floating around for a while and her face has definitely changed a lot in the last couple years, so I totally get why people may think she has. However, Rosé still has never had a particularly strong mandible angle:

(These are from 2017)

She didn't really have any jaw to shave lol. She's always had a very steep jaw line with a weak mandible angle right below her ear that easily gets "lost" or hidden by skin fairly (which is quite common tbh). However, that doesn't mean her mandible angle isn't there. In pics where it's "lost" like the gif you posted, her whole jaw bone is lost too. (In the gif, the shadow is from her earphone cord). To spot whether someone has a mandible angle, the best thing to do is find a pic where you can clearly see their jaw bone. In pics where Rosé's jaw bone is visible, she still has a mandible angle:

 I'm pretty sure Rosé has had buccal fat removal, and that combined with the chin implant and naturally weak mandible angle/steep jaw can definitely make her jaw seem suspicious. However, I'm pretty inclined to say she did not have a jaw shave. At least not since debut.

 

[meeeplet]

20 hours ago, exodus05 said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CVgRzbCp4nm/?utm_medium=copy_link

This page in instagram tackles about V-line surgery, it made me believe Jaehyun really had a jaw shave.

Kpopprocedure is really really good and I definitely recommend checking their page out. However, there are a couple of cases of "v-line surgery" they've pointed out that I'm not sure I agree with. In the comparison they posted of Jaehyun here his jaw definitely seems wider on the right than on the left:

 However, the head position doesn't really match. In the first picture he has his chin down which makes his lower face seem narrower. In the second picture he has his chin up which makes his lower face seems wider. (The second pic is also more zoomed in which makes his whole face seem bigger). Here are some examples of Jaehyun's jaw looking narrower and wider from different angles at the exact same event.

2017 (supposedly after debated v-line surgery and before debated jaw implants):

2019 (supposedly after debated jaw implants):

Here is a comparison Jaehyun in 2016 and 2020 where his head is angled the same way:

Now the difference in his jaw really looks nowhere near as drastic as in the comparison where the angles don't match. The slight change that is present looks lot more like the results of him letting up on masseter botox than jaw implants (which are a very rare procedure in the kpop industry and korean plastic surgery industry anyway).

Of course, like @Lyanna15171 said, we have no way of really knowing for sure what he did to his jaw. This is all speculation and, of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, I do think it is important to make sure the head position in comparisons matches up as much as possible. It really does make a big difference when evaluating whether or not someone had a certain procedure, especially anything jaw related. I hope that helps!

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by meeeplet