misconception about K-rappers (unpretty rapstar edition)

[shugwi]

ok I decided to make a thread about rap and technique because there is some misconception about  what's good or bad when it comes to rap.

My friend helped me with all the information and I just wanted to share it with you guys.

 

 

these are just the basic aspects of rap techniques

 

These are good examples for female rappers for each category we came up with:(we used rappers from unpretty rapstar)

 

 

flow: Truedy, Cheetah, Yezi and Gilme

 

versatility of flow and different rap schemes: Gilme

 

delivery: Tymee, Sua (potential), Yezi, Truedy

 

an example of being decent in flow and delivery  (not exceptionally good) are kittiB  & heize

 

tone : Yubin, Truedy, Yezi, Soomin, Gilme 

 

 

 

she is another example of decent flow and delivery (despite her screaming for hyping the crowd, she is not a bad idol rapper)

 

 

starts at 1:37

 

and 

 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x37v643_2ne1-crush-come-back-home-in-2014-sbs-gayodaejun-cl-s-cut_music

 

 

 

 

 

In my opinion, we should not not jump on the bandwagon and try to be more knowledgeable about rap techniques before judging someone's rapping skills.

 

So, what idols are susceptible to this kind of unfair bandwagon? 

 

 

 

 

 

also check out Gilme's music she is very talented

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2px20m3cQg

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaQuYtdra_4

 

 

[NELLO-HOPE]

I wonder about Yuk Jidam rap skills she's talented and has potential.

[PanShip]

Yep i agree... Recently a lot of people are judging rap skills without havinn an idea of it. I mean its different when you have other preferences but you cant say one is better than the other just because you like their tone or something

[shugwi]

Yep i agree... Recently a lot of people are judging rap skills without havinn an idea of it. I mean its different when you have other preferences but you cant say one is better than the other just because you like their tone or something

pretty much some people prefer tone and charisma than the rapping skills in general 

[Micah Bell]

Thank you, OP! 

 

Having the proper knowledge of what it means to be a good rapper, before judging someone on their rapping skills is very important. Since the premiere of UR2, a lot of people have been trying to judge the contestants.

So, I'm glad you made this thread. ^^

[shugwi]

Thank you, OP! 

 

Having the proper knowledge of what it means to be a good rapper, before judging someone on their rapping skills is very important. Since the premiere of UR2, a lot of people have been trying to judge the contestants.

So, I'm glad you made this thread. ^^

your welcome

and thanks for replying  I was afraid my thread was gonna flop ;(

[HappyMaknae]

Also... let's take in mind stage presence.

 

Like yeah we watch on our phones/laptops but the crowd is seeing it live. I think a rapper or a performer in general should be able to move a crowd.

 

There's nothing worse than a boring performance. 

[Saturn Girl]

I don't watch unpretty rapstar but since yezi was listed as an example for each technique- does this mean she's a really good rapper?

[shugwi]

I don't watch unpretty rapstar but since yezi was listed as an example for each technique- does this mean she's a really good rapper?

yes, she is

[PanShip]

I don't watch unpretty rapstar but since yezi was listed as an example for each technique- does this mean she's a really good rapper?

Yeah not only for idol standards she is.. She is one of the best here this season ^^

[Saturn Girl]

yes, she is

 

Yeah not only for idol standards she is.. She is one of the best here this season ^^

 

Oh thank you for answering. Wow if she's the best this season I'll definitely have to give her a listen to.

[Burkhardt]

what about Jiyoon? 

[PanShip]

what about Jiyoon?

Well so far she hasnt shown neither in the teaser nor in her rap parts in 4minutes songs that she is good in any category except maybe stage presense which plays a big role for delivery ... But yeah she might become one of the weakest UR contestants along with hyo and kasper but i'm openminded to surprises

[TikiTiki]

The bandwagoning going on from people who have no idea about what they're talking about and going around saying shit they've heard from others and then cant properly reply to you when you're talking about stuff related to rap is to say the least, annoying tbh

[OHuzr]

Cool thread. Some pointers if I may...

 

It's "Intonation".

 

Enunciation falls under Delivery. The lyrics is the written form, When writing lyrics one must keep in mind how it'll flow in the song.

 

Technique = Systematic or method of doing something in a standardized way. Usually people attribute it to the lyrics, while in fact it has its place in every category. However, it is not critical to have proper technique to be a good rapper. WTF, you be on drugs? Haha, no. Rap is not an exact science nor it should ever be. People try to break down rap to qualify it as music. It is music, but it's a raw form of music. At the very least, it has to come from the heart.

 

Flow: Um, there's a lot of debate when it comes to flow. The easiest way to think of the flow is water. Wherever the current goes, the water goes. Break the current, and you essentially break the flow of the water. In rap, flow is all about feel of the rhythm. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

*Delivery: One of the most difficult concepts to understand and do as a rapper. How's that? Rap is essentially a performance. It incorporates everything, including the flow. But what about the lyrics??? Lyrics may be the heart and soul of a rapper, but without performance, it's just poetry. The words or technique will not matter if the rapper cannot connect with the audience.

 

Also... let's take in mind stage presence.

 

Like yeah we watch on our phones/laptops but the crowd is seeing it live. I think a rapper or a performer in general should be able to move a crowd.

 

There's nothing worse than a boring performance. 

 

Yup, these were the true MC's. Doug E Fresh is a prime example. He never had strong lyrics, but he could command the stage like no other.

 

[shugwi]

Cool thread. Some pointers if I may...

 

It's "Intonation".

 

Enunciation falls under Delivery. The lyrics is the written form, When writing lyrics one must keep in mind how it'll flow in the song.

 

Technique = Systematic or method of doing something in a standardized way. Usually people attribute it to the lyrics, while in fact it has its place in every category. However, it is not critical to have proper technique to be a good rapper. WTF, you be on drugs? Haha, no. Rap is not an exact science nor it should ever be. People try to break down rap to qualify it as music. It is music, but it's a raw form of music. At the very least, it has to come from the heart.

 

Flow: Um, there's a lot of debate when it comes to flow. The easiest way to think of the flow is water. Wherever the current goes, the water goes. Break the current, and you essentially break the flow of the water. In rap, flow is all about feel of the rhythm. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

*Delivery: One of the most difficult concepts to understand and do as a rapper. How's that? Rap is essentially a performance. It incorporates everything, including the flow. But what about the lyrics??? Lyrics may be the heart and soul of a rapper, but without performance, it's just poetry. The words or technique will not matter if the rapper cannot connect with the audience.

 

 

Yup, these were the true MC's. Doug E Fresh is a prime example. He never had strong lyrics, but he could command the stage like no other.

 my friend misspelled that word lol she is the one who helped me with almost everything so I give all the credit to her tbh

 

yeah for Delivery, stage presence and intonation are important.

we wanted to include lyrics and word play in our ratings but since we are not Koreans

 

I'll let her reply to you when she wakes up since she knows more about this than me.

[OHuzr]

 my friend misspelled that word lol she is the one who helped me with almost everything so I give all the credit to her tbh

 

yeah for Delivery, stage presence and intonation is important.

we wanted to include lyrics and word play in our ratings but since we are not Koreans

 

I'll let her reply to you when she wakes up since she knows more about this than me.

 

Well credit to you both.

 

I'm speaking more in general so don't mind me.

[歩�����]

The bandwagoning going on from people who have no idea about what they're talking about and going around saying shit they've heard from others and then cant properly reply to you when you're talking about stuff related to rap is to say the least, annoying tbh

 

AGREE^^

[garythemfm]

as my first post i will add to your thread with value:

 

a great example of wordplay and great delivery:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sZQyeacqc

 

overcomplex lyrics:

 

 

good chorus and flow:

 

 

one of main things keeping underground rappers underground is lack of catchy chorus.

 

good choruses don't need to lyrical as in this example:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZvzIOO6aU

[shugwi]

 

as my first post i will add to your thread with value:

 

a great example of wordplay and great delivery:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sZQyeacqc

 

overcomplex lyrics:

 

 

good chorus and flow:

 

 

one of main things keeping underground rappers underground is lack of catchy chorus.

 

good choruses don't need to lyrical as in this example:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZvzIOO6aU

 

oh thank you for sharing ;)

[OHuzr]

One of the criticism of Truedy is that people feel her style is too close to Yoon Mirae. While I see where they're coming from, her style to me is more along the lines of one of the greatest female rappers of all time, MC Lyte. While there are many examples of her old school songs to reference from, I'll choose 1 from 1998 and 1 from 1988. MC Lyte has style.

 

MC Lyte "Oogie Boogie"

 

MC Lyte "10% Diss"

 

 

as my first post i will add to your thread with value:

 

a great example of wordplay and great delivery:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sZQyeacqc

 

Welcome to OH and your first post! Upvote +1 for you!

 

I've always loved Jean Grae's flow.

 

"My Story"

 

"Love Thirst"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMNMSnWWqWY

 

 

 

[OHuzr]

When we talk complex rhymes there are some rappers that immediately pop up in our mind. One of the most obvious is Rakim. If you ask many of the new school rappers they'll give a proper shout out to Kool G Rap. He essentially is the master of complex rhymes + flow + delivery. I've posted these examples in the Unpretty Rapstar season 1 thread, but these songs cannot be posted enough. These songs were released in 1989 and to this day they are the standards to follow.

 

Kool G Rap & Polo "Trilogy of Terror"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNCYtWxEHUI

 

Kool G Rap & Polo "Poison"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j4LHO6eLSU

 

[garythemfm]

One of the criticism of Truedy is that people feel her style is too close to Yoon Mirae. While I see where they're coming from, her style to me is more along the lines of one of the greatest female rappers of all time, MC Lyte. While there are many examples of her old school songs to reference from, I'll choose 1 from 1998 and 1 from 1988. MC Lyte has style.

 

MC Lyte "Oogie Boogie"

 

MC Lyte "10% Diss"

 

 

Welcome to OH and your first post! Upvote +1 for you!

 

I've always loved Jean Grae's flow.

 

"My Story"

 

"Love Thirst"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMNMSnWWqWY

[elolery]

But what if, I like a monotone rapper (e.g. Ash-B) because it give a chill effect?

 

or a sharp rap (Yezi) vs a loud slur rap (Truedy)

 

Flow seems kinda subjective, the delivery can also be subjective, intonation sometimes subjective (like above). That kinda leaves us with technique right? But technique is something established as commonly regarded as good, by listeners who came before you, and listeners who came before those listeners. But what if I'm the minority and like what I hear from a rapper who has sucky technique according to the book, then do I courageously say she's a good rapper, or must I refer to a technique that doesn't mean much to me and say I love this rapping but it sucks technically lol. 

 

I dunno, it seems it's difficult to say a rapper is good unless you have some sort of majority supporting you.

 

sigh...but all the raps posted above me do sound great

[pri]

One of the criticism of Truedy is that people feel her style is too close to Yoon Mirae. While I see where they're coming from, her style to me is more along the lines of one of the greatest female rappers of all time, MC Lyte. While there are many examples of her old school songs to reference from, I'll choose 1 from 1998 and 1 from 1988. MC Lyte has style.

 

MC Lyte "Oogie Boogie"

 

MC Lyte "10% Diss"

 

OMG THIS IS IT. I totally agree! Like it sounds exactly like the style Truedy is going for! 

 

But what if, I like a monotone rapper (e.g. Ash-B) because it give a chill effect?

 

or a sharp rap (Yezi) vs a loud slur rap (Truedy)

 

Flow seems kinda subjective, the delivery can also be subjective, intonation sometimes subjective (like above). That kinda leaves us with technique right? But technique is something established as commonly regarded as good, by listeners who came before you, and listeners who came before those listeners. But what if I'm the minority and like what I hear from a rapper who has sucky technique according to the book, then do I courageously say she's a good rapper, or must I refer to a technique that doesn't mean much to me and say I love this rapping but it sucks technically lol. 

 

I dunno, it seems it's difficult to say a rapper is good unless you have some sort of majority supporting you.

 

sigh...but all the raps posted above me do sound great

Yeah, pretty much everything is subjective. Everything depends on the person, there are somany things that you might be judged in your rap when you really shouldn't? For example AOA Jimin. I don't really like her, but she isn't a bad rapper, but she gets judged for her voice a lot. Okay, since she works the music industry her voice is really important, but does the fact her voice might sound kinda weird make her a bad rapper?