Will 'artist-idols' become the new trend?

[Joji.]

With the newest generation of rookie/rising groups (Winner, Seventeen, EXID, BTS to name a few) have come more idols than ever who take an active role in the group's musical output, be it writing/arranging/composing and even choreographing.

 

Do you think this trend will continue? Will K-Pop become more of an 'artist'-driven industry?

[WonderJoyous]

hope so

[Callum]

It would certainly be nice.

[NORIKIYO]

I think it will and should. I'd rather the future of kpop be where idols themselves compose and write their music rather than it be given to them by their company. It differs the talented from the non.

[HelloMuses]

It honestly does not make a difference.... like yeah my bias composes... how does that benefit me? 

I only care if the song is a bop or not.. i mean i aint getting no royalties

[HelloMuses]

I think it will and should. I'd rather the future of kpop be where idols themselves compose and write their music rather than it be given to them by their company. It differs the talented from the non.

singing has nothing to do with composing and writing music. are you trying to put composers and lyricists out of a job?

the only thing singers should be required to do is sing.

[NORIKIYO]

singing has nothing to do with composing and writing music. are you trying to put composers and lyricists out of a job?

the only thing singers should be required to do is sing.

I never said it did. I simply stated that idols themselves compose and write their music rather than it be given to them by their company

[itsallajoke]

Yes, please. 

 

 

Yong PD world domination plan is starting.

 

[dead.]

Interesting only one gg was mentioned. It already is the trend tho, at least for boy groups.

[HelloMuses]

I never said it did. I simply stated that idols themselves compose and write their music rather than it be given to them by their company

 

you said

 

 I'd rather the future of kpop be where idols themselves compose and write their music rather than it be given to them by their company. It differs the talented from the non.

 

 

If all groups start composing for their own albums and title tracks that will certainly put composers and lyricists out of work especially if groups make their own title tracks - how will these people make money especially since the idol market is the most profitable. 

 

Also, composing and writing lyrics is a talent but is completely unrelated to being talented at their actual job which is singing. 

 

"it differs the talented from the non" 

D.O from EXO and Hyorin from Sistar don't compose/write lyrics and they're pretty damn talented 

[Remus]

No. That's just another way that smaller companies will be able to differentiate themselves when trying to break into an industry dominated by less than 10 big companies. For the larger companies who dominate, it will still mostly be about Cultural Technology.

[Bishu]

tbh, i only care about the output quality. If the song sucks, the choreo sucks, the lyrics sucks, who care about the one who created it?

[Joji.]

It honestly does not make a difference.... like yeah my bias composes... how does that benefit me? 

I only care if the song is a bop or not.. i mean i aint getting no royalties

 

I'm not saying it has to benefit the fans, it's just something I've noticed.

 

 

singing has nothing to do with composing and writing music. are you trying to put composers and lyricists out of a job?

the only thing singers should be required to do is sing.

 

The question I'm asking is that what if idols were to do more than sing in the future. I'm not saying EVERY group should compose their own music, that wouldn't be realistic. As you said before, as long as the songs are bops that's all that really matters in the end.

[Am@r@]

It's a bonus if idols can compose their own songs. In this competitive world, people who have many / various talents are at advantage. It doesn't limited to only idols but also to all human being these days especially young generations. Idol composer might become a trend & smth common later. People are so competitive in upgrading their own skills nowadays.  

[Red Velvet]

it'd be a nice thing but I don't think it'll become a trend because not all idols can compose songs

[NickyGolightly]

I feel like it already has, More and more idols are making their own music and gaining respect for it 

[NORIKIYO]

you said

 

If all groups start composing for their own albums and title tracks that will certainly put composers and lyricists out of work especially if groups make their own title tracks - how will these people make money especially since the idol market is the most profitable. 

 

Also, composing and writing lyrics is a talent but is completely unrelated to being talented at their actual job which is singing. 

 

"it differs the talented from the non" 

D.O from EXO and Hyorin from Sistar don't compose/write lyrics and they're pretty damn talented 

 

If composers and lyricists get put out of work I wouldn't see the problem. I never said singing was related to composing or writing lyrics and I never said D.O or Hyorin were untalented. Talented in that area or profession is exactly what I meant which is what idols should work towards doing if they want to be referred to as being artists. BOA composes her music, Jonghyun composes music now and GD composes pretty much everything he's ever made, all examples of what could happen if idols themselves sought to doing things by themselves rather than relying on their company. I'm done here

[HelloMuses]

I'm not saying it has to benefit the fans, it's just something I've noticed.

 

 

 

The question I'm asking is that what if idols were to do more than sing in the future. I'm not saying EVERY group should compose their own music, that wouldn't be realistic. As you said before, as long as the songs are bops that's all that really matters in the end.

 

I am fine with idols doing more than singing everything handed to them like machines, I feel like Jonghyun from Shinee is enjoying the amount of musical freedom he has right now and I know other idols outside of yg strive to have that kind of creative control as well, if they're good at it I think they should be given a chance to compose and write songs for themselves and their group. 

 

I was disagreeing more with the person I responded to who made it seem like if an idol isn't capable of doing that they're not talented

[No More Hiding]

yes , please

[HelloMuses]

If composers and lyricists get put out of work I wouldn't see the problem. I never said singing was related to composing or writing lyrics and I never said D.O or Hyorin were untalented. Talented in that area or profession is exactly what I meant which is what idols should work towards doing if they want to be referred to as being artists. BOA composes her music, Jonghyun composes music now and GD composes pretty much everything he's ever made, all examples of what could happen if idols themselves sought to doing things by themselves rather than relying on their company. I'm done here

 

"If composers and lyricists get put out of work I wouldn't see the problem."

 

WOW... you're really something else. I hope your parents get put out of work too so you can live on the streets 

So singers can't be considered artists?

 

The art is their voice, the emotion and life they give the song. There is no reason that the writer and the singer cannot both be considered artists. Singers create sound, they create the song as you hear it. They decide how much emphasis to put on which words, how to best capture the emotion of a piece. How well a singer sings can make or break a song. How is this somehow less of a "creation" than simply putting down the words or making the beats?

 

I won't try to change your views though

 

EDIT: writing and composing is an art but performing is also an art as well

[Hyun.]

Chose yes mainly because I would love for it to happen. I respect so much more when and artist is actually involved in the process of creating music and knows what they're doing.

[aseulhae]

Depends on the management & circumstances tbh

 

We all know about YG's artist-dol mediaplay but honestly that creates a HUGE pressure on the YG New Gen who can't come out of the dungeon because their songs lack 2%, whatever that means   

#HaveStrengthHanbinnie $50SongsAllRejected #WhatTheFuckIsYgDoing

 

Certainly is nice to see groups having artistic control over their music/style, but i guess it depends on the idol group itself.

 

If they want and are capable to, why not? Having a composer/lyricist on a team gives the team a special musical direction/identity/style and that's something I appreciate since if we listen to the group's music, there will be a signature ~flavor~. To me that's exciting. 

 

 

 

Sorry for buying into YG's mediaplay but truly WINNER are very self sufficient in that aspect, they compose+write AND choreograph themselves. Especially the choreo part, WINNER's dancing might be a bit slow and uneventful for those used to strong choreo but that's exactly how Seunghoon likes it...Hope he gets paid for those since as far as we know he ain't getting $ 

Note that while they do everything themselves the final music IS heavily screened by YG and some songs don't end up resembling the original, so...And YG rejects songs he deemed too hip-hop. Take the artistry with a grain of salt..

 

 

 

I'm only afraid that if this becomes a trend, the quality will drop because they only do this for boasting/mediaplay/imagemaking purposes and not because they actually like or want to, or good at it. Not everyone can be capable in the making part of music, some people's calling are in performing instead, and thats okay! 

 

Plus, what would Duble Shinsadong Brothers eat?

 

(Yedang please mediaplay about  Â£â‚¬ please, yes i spell her name like that because hot damn Elly, Troublemaker...)

 

I'm ready for girlgroups participating more on their music tho! EXID is leading front and center, god Bless 

 

P.S: +put B1A4 there too  ​ 

[NORIKIYO]

 

"If composers and lyricists get put out of work I wouldn't see the problem."

 

WOW... you're really something else. I hope your parents get put out of work too so you can live on the streets 

So singers can't be considered artists?

 

The art is their voice, the emotion and life they give the song. There is no reason that the writer and the singer cannot both be considered artists. Singers create sound, they create the song as you hear it. They decide how much emphasis to put on which words, how to best capture the emotion of a piece. How well a singer sings can make or break a song. How is this somehow less of a "creation" than simply putting down the words or making the beats?

 

I won't try to change your views though

 

EDIT: writing and composing is an art but performing is also an art as well

 

 

Saying you hope my parents get put out of the work so I can live on the streets over a simple conversion is hugely offensive to me and utterly fucking disgusting. I didn't care about you before you came here and I won't after 

[sofi]

It doesn't really matter to me when deciding if I enjoy a song or not, but if idols have the passion for it, I'm sure they're happy to be able to express it.

[HelloMuses]

Saying you hope my parents get put out of the work so I can live on the streets over a simple conversion is hugely offensive to me and utterly fucking disgusting. I didn't care about you before you came here and I won't after 

 

lol the 'doge' implied it as you saying you don't care about other people's jobs so I was putting you in their place. 

 

what's the difference with what you said and what i said? composers and writers are parents too if they're out of jobs they might end up on the streets how is it different you damn hypocrite.. so of course you're the "fucking disgusting" person in this conversation.