The Official Dance Thread

[Qri]

If Jessica ever wants to get back into form I believe she can do so without a question.  To me, it's whether or not she has the heart. 

 

Since we're on the subject, when do you think she lost her edge?  And NP about the discussion.  I just happened to be strolling by and figured to add my 2 cents in. 

I agree that she can definitely get back into form, but it would take at the very least months for her to be anywhere near her previous skill level but imo I doubt that she will be very committed to improving her dancing. I think the depreciation of her skills has happened gradually, although post-Genie is really where you start to see Jessica become more inconsistent. I would still put her around Sooyoung/Yoona level during Genie and maybe Oh! (although there isn't really much to go by in this era), but it quite evident that she begins to stop caring about her precision and form during Run Devil Run. Granted, she has managed to keep some of her musicality in tact all these years, but the skill jump backwards is massive. It sort of reminds me of Sulli's skill depreciation (whom I like to call Jessica 2.0.) 

[Qri]

    Could you show me some videos to help understand your point, I thought in thier last SMTOWN performance Sunny was pretty good.

Sunny's definitely not bad and she has improved, however Taeyeon's improvement has been a lot more evident as she has started to use dynamics and learned to control her body better. Granted, she is still more inconsistent than Sunny but she has shown a greater capability to utilise her body to suit different styles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax2g2CexAkw

 

Taeyeon has showcased a really good use of dynamics and her musicality really shone in Karma Butterfly. Sunny also did pretty well in the performances, but it was really HyoYulTae that stood out in these performances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCpOyJvOPQw

Now Sunny and Tae are slightly more even in this performance since Sunny's upper body movements are brilliant here and everyone is kind of slacking, although again, Tae has a good sense of musicality that really helps her movements look very comfortable and clean, even if she's not going all out.

 

You can check their other performances from their latest Japanese tour and that will give you a good idea of their skills.

[Qri]

Oh how I've neglected this thread recently.. so sorry everyone!! 

 

QRI! (or any of the other dance people since I'm just assuming Qri is gonna read this cuz he gets excited when someone posts) How is Red Velvet? I tried using the search and Google, but nothing popped up. 

Red Velvet as a group are pretty good. Wendy is sorta lagging behind the other three tho, but yeah I'd say that she's probably average whilst the others are a lot better, Joy is around the level of Miss A's Suzy and the other two are probs around Yuri's level? Idk, it sort of hard to judge them since it's still early days but I think Seulgi and Irene show a lot of promise, particularly Seulgi because her musicality is great. 

 

 

 

 

 

How is Namjoo? I think she's the best dancer in Apink followed by Bomi   

She definitely had the best musicality in those performances but in all honesty their execution as a whole was terribly inconsistent in both performances. It's like they were purposely being lazy in some parts and some of the transitions were just really poor. All of them seem unspectacular but maybe it's just those performances.

 

How did Seulgi do here?
http://youtu.be/D4EuB0werfE

Brilliant execution, brilliant musicality. I have high hopes for this girl.

 

Irene and Seulgi are "god tier" dancers. Joy and Wendy are good dancers. Joy has a lot of potential btw, she's still young.

 

Red Velvet as a whole is "god tier" as well.

Haha, I wouldn't go that far since there are a handful of groups that are a lot better than them but yeah they are pretty good.

[Qri]

Am I the only one who really dislikes modern dance like this

 

 

It looks so sloppy and weird.  I love ballet, hip hop, jazz... just not any of this weird running around shit

It may not be as universally pleasing to viewers but I do enjoy elements of it.

[Qri]

I'm really sorry, I will do an analysis of that video really soon! It's just with newly debuted groups, their videos are a lot harder since I have not familiarised myself with them yet. I promise that I will get it done by next week!

 

How JJang is LaKween at dancing

 

Can someone do current exo ranking and add 1-2 sentences about their strengths and weaknesses?

I won't talk about all the members since most of them haven't made a significant change recently. I'll just talk about some notable improvement/regression.

 

D.O - musicality-wise, he has improved a lot, however his lack of consistency in execution is still a problem. In performances, it often looks like he is not always dancing to the fullest because he is trying to conserve his energy since he also has to sing. But during lip-synced performances he actually does exceptionally well since he is able to fully showcase his dancing (I guess that's one lip-syncing perk).

 

Sehun - also nice musicality, but execution is getting poorer. Frustratingly poor. His dancing is incredibly lazy a lot of the time which I really don't like because he's shown his capabilities pre-debut and I don't want his skill going to waste. This also partly relates to his lack of consistency as he has been unable to show that he is able to consecutively put on nice performances; he'll do one solid performance, and then act lazy for the next.

 

Lay - always been a great dancer, bad habit such as constantly looking at the floor persist but are a lot less common now. He is also notably a lot more fluid these days which is nice to see.

 

Kai - essentially improved on every front, he has really developed his style and been able to showcase improvement in musicality, precision, execution and fluidity. Very nice to see him improving his competence as a dancer.

 

Ranking-wise I'd say it's not very different from before:

Kai > Lay > Xiumin > Tao > Baekhyun > Suho > D.O/Sehun > Chen > Chanyeol

 

How is Mint?

 

 

 

 

 

the one in all black in both group vids is Mint

Nice musicality, decent enough execution although her fluidity could do with a bit of work and she could work on her transitions slightly (I am being slightly pedantic). Nothing spectacular here, but I'd like to see her try out more challenging choreography.

[Qri]

Thanks ! Can I quote you on this thread ? 

http://onehallyu.com/topic/133631-exo-dance-rankings/

Yes feel free to!

I'm prepared for Sehun stans to kill me lol

[Qri]

I'm kinda a Sehun stan too,though.  Should I credit your words to myself, then ?  Jk.

I was suprised with his ranking, but I have to agree, that he is pretty inconsistent and lazy at times. He has potential, I hope boy doesn't waste it.

 

I always see you around the forums and am always wondering - who's that girl in your sig ? ( I actually thought it was Lindsay Lohan at first, lol)

Tbh, I see a lot of parallels with Sehun and Jessica from SNSD, except Jessica's regression is slightly more justified since she was a main vocalist and had a reason to stop focusing on her dancing. 

 

And the girl in my sig is Zara Larsson. It's from her Bad Boys music video. 

[Qri]

There were also something about her having anemia or something.

Whatever is up with Sehun, I hope he fixes it. He could slay. Maybe not on Kai's level, but ...

You just reminded me of Jessica's golden days in dancing.

 

Is the video worth watching? 

Anything I put in my sig is worth watching 

 

I stumbled across this thread and I really like what's going on here haha. I dance myself, so i enjoyed skimming through some of the pages. Good stuff!

Thank you kindly. 

[Qri]

 

 

Yein [pigtails] - JIN [beige overthrow]

Jiae [all black] - Kei [white shirt]

Baby Soul [green] - Mijoo [red/white stripes]

Sujeong [black/white/stripes]

 

Is it possible to do a somewhat thorough but simple analysis of each member's dancing? It's fine if you take some time with it since it's seven. And in the end, where would you guys rank them in order?

 

The choreography is pretty simple and doesn’t show a lot of range, so the analysis will be pretty pedantic. Also I don't have time to do all the members right now but I promise I'll get to them!!!

 

Here's all I have time for right now:

 

Yein - Generally nice form and execution throughout, however there were points where she had problems with her fluidity as well as accuracy of her leg movements which come across as lazy/sloppy during the pre-chorus/chorus (e.g. 1:00 to 1:02 - lazy transition, 1:20 - weak leg movement, 1:26 - weak leg movement again, 1:30 to 1:35 - poor transition and left leg is noticeably weaker than the right leg during the chorus, 1:36 - lazy again, 1:41 to 1:43 - weaker left leg again, 1:44 - lazy again, 1:46 - lazy again, etc. - these problems are basically replicated during the 2nd pre-chorus and chorus). Her upper limb movements are generally a lot more solid and she displays a lot more musicality with her arms as well which is nice to see.

Baby Soul - Has very similar issues to Yein, i.e. problematic leg movements, however at different points in the dance. She also has slight timing issues at points and skipped a few movements which indicates moments of poor musicality (0:40 - lazy and slightly behind everyone else, 0:42 to 0:44 - just bad lol, 0:51 - issues with foot placement, 1:02 - wrong move, 3:51 - the leg placement of her ending pose is awkward). However, her dancing during the chorus is very solid and she displays very nice musicality as well as precision which suggests that she is quite inconsistent, since there are moments particularly during the beginning where her dancing is poor but she really does shine during the chorus. There isn’t enough material to make a true judgement on her consistency, but she definitely was not consistent in this performance.

 

Ok I know I've put this on hold for so long and I'm super sorry, but please understand that I'm busy with school and I'm basically the only person answering questions on the dance thread right now since everyone else is busy so I'm so sorry.  and that was a really long sentence...

 

Qri! Inform me on Bruno Mars!

 

 

Nice musicality and rhythm, but there's not really much else I can comment on since this video isn't really much to go off, so yeah.

 

It seems to me that Yuri got worse! Even Seohyun dances better than her here. Watchu think?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRtgXzr7GPE

Nah, all of them were dancing lazily but tbh my eyes kept focusing on how tragic Sunny and Tiffany were doing the choreography... like um... that is one of the worst performances I have seen Sunny dance.

 

But yeah, Seohyun did dance better than Yuri in that performance, but it's still only one performance so we'll see how things develop.

 

I was watching Crazy for the hundredth time (who wasn't) and I noticed that Gayoon never kicks her leg up properly during the chorus, both in the dance practice and mv.  is she just... badly coordinated or

jihyun looked fine to me.   (and jiyoon just walks up to the front so smoothly i cant)

 

actually, i just watched this again and realized gayoon made a mistake at 0:08 and her back seems too... stiff at 0:18.  the others kind of arch their back but she's standing erect and it looks awkward.  then again, it is just a practice-even hyuna isn't putting 110%- so i'll wait for a broadcast

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBtLsAUPcXc

 

actually, gayoon's kicking (or lack thereof) looks like laziness here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11ktJ3ANPVs

Well Gayoon is like Tiffany bad, in fact she's probably worse. Jihyun appears to have improved in this comeback so I might look into her more. The Crazy choreography would be flawless if it wasn't for the tragic twerking.

Edited February 12, 2015 by The Great Dane

[Qri]

Lol throughout Tiffany's career, you'd think she'll get better at dancing, she's still  the same awkward dancer lol. Her body is stiff at most of the times.

 

Gayoon is definitely better than Tiffany. It's sad how no one notices SoHyun's skils, this girl has improved a lot. She has this chill badass vibe when dancing.

I used to think Gayoon was better but now I'm not so sure. Her execution is incredibly poor sometimes, the only thing she probably has over Tiffany is musicality and better sense of time. Both of them have really bad coordination often as well.

 

And yeah Sohyun is a pretty solid dancer, her dancing style reminds me somewhat of Taeyeon's. They both execute their movements pretty effortlessly or "chill" as you called it, although both never really go full out on their movements which can be a problem since their moves don't really stand out or aren't as powerful as they are supposed to be at times. In fact, all the 4minute members have this habit of purposely dancing lazily which is a troubling habit tbh (e.g. look what happened to Jessica and Gayoon).

 

What do you think about this ?

Ehh, the choreography wasn't technically challenging at all, well I mean Luhan did a basic baby freeze at 0:28 which wasn't really sustained for long enough but the transitioning afterwards was pretty nice. Apart from the noticeable timing issues they both had in the beginning, they were both fine.

[Qri]

Awesome. You are awesome. It seems my assumptions were correct in some sense. Though I expected Yein to be a bit better than the actual result. That's mostly due to Lovelyz fans considering her the second best. She was into gymnastics. I consider Mijoo the best dancer of the group and Jiae the weakest, but I guess you'll get to that whenever you can. These girls need to work on their limbs it seems, lol.

 

And don't worry about it [hugs]. Life and school comes first before something on the internet, I completely understand. Take your time doing the rest, no rush, no pressure^. As long you let me know things instead of just utterly ignoring me, it's fine xD. Good luck with school and exams.

 

It sucks that you're the only one running this thread though, that's a lot. What happened to the others?

Yes Mijoo is by far the best dancer in the group and Kei is definitely second best. Yein, Jin, Babysoul and Soojung seem to be around the same level with just small differences between them (Yein being the best and Babysoul the worst of the bunch), because they all have nice moments throughout the video but they all also seem pretty inconsistent. And yeah, Jiae is the worst. 

 

I was surprised with Yein as well, I thought she would be better since she has studied modern dance, and I analysed her first because she's my bias. 

 

But on the flipside, I'm really surprised at how well Kei can dance and she was pretty polished and consistent throughout.

 

Still, I will try my best to complete an analysis of all the girls, even if I am a slow typer  and yeah I don't know where the other dance thread peeps are, the thread has been deserted by everyone but me.

Edited February 18, 2015 by The Great Dane

[Qri]

Ranking Order:

 

Mijoo

Jin

Yein

Kei

SuJeong

Baby Soul

JiAe

 

If you have any questions about this ranking order, I'll be more than happy to explain.

 

 

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I apologize for my absence, as I apparently unfollowed this thread. I'll be active once more~

oh really? I thought Kei was better than Jin tbh watching other live performances I've noticed her consistency, but eh Idk.

 

And yeah everyone was unfollowed for some strange reason.

[Qri]

Lol, for dance performances, it's pretty common for the "center" dancer to be a bit better than the rest, although some backup dancers may want to show off a little.

 

For KPOP, I'm unsure, but I will assume that they dance better than the idols since they presumably practice more.

Not to mention the fact that the idols also have to compromise their dancing for the sake of singing at the same time. 

[Qri]

JiHyun has always been a good dancer, but it's just her facial expressions that makes her look bored. Her moves and stuff were great, but she just needs to give off the hype in her face.

I disagree I think she was really lazy and had some poor performances prior to Crazy. Crazy has seen a shift in her mentality as a performer tbh, she is actually showing what she is capable of now and it's good.

Edited March 16, 2015 by The Great Dane

[Qri]

I'd have to disagree with the bolded. This is her worst era as far as performance goes.

 

This is their debut stage for Hot Issue. Pay attention to 0:30 specifically

 

 

 

Later on in their career, we are shown the flawless Superstar performance, also the birth of Hairporn-JiHyun

 

 

 

^

Here, you can see that she's dancing pretty well. Of course not the best, but definitely better than anything she put into Crazy.

 

As far as recent releases go, here is a performance from their "What's Your Name" era, in which JiHyun even gets a solo @ 1:53

 

 

 

^

For her solo dance, did you notice the fire that she had?

 

 

Altogether, I'm pretty sure you may have noticed one common thing throughout the 3 videos, and that's the lack of facials. She is always good with dancing, but she keeps lacking the facials and that's a common issue with her, which makes my judgement on her dancing ability based solely on her technique and the energy level of the dances for their releases. For Crazy, the choreography is extremely "hype" based (relying on a high amount facials and each member making their part their own), instead of regular choreography, therefore not giving JIHyun much to showcase compared to their previous releases as "hype" is something that she's terribly bad at. 

 

I'm always open to debate. Don't hesitate to prove me wrong~

Oh out of these performances I had only seen the Superstar performance. And I agree she did well in all those performances. I'm actually really surprised by musicality actually, it's a lot better than I imagined and her execution was nice too. Maybe it's because I only really started looking at her dancing during WDT and she was a kind of messy during that promotion, I think she's been a lot more consistent this promotion cycle in comparison to WDT.

[Qri]

 

For me : Top ; Really good dancer ; Good dancer ; Good/Basic ; Boring/Basic ; Bad

 

1. Red Velvet [Irene >= Seulgi > Yeri (still young but a LOT of potential, she's already really good tho) > Joy > Wendy (depends on the routine lol)]

 

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2. Sonamoo/Lovelyz

 

[Euijin/Sumin > Nahyun > D.ana > High.D > New Sun > Minjae

 

Mijoo > Yein > Kei > Jin (she was the best along with Mijoo during CJL era imo but she was kind of bland during Hi era...) > Sujeong > Baby Soul > Jiae]

 

> Lovelyz is better as a group imo but Sonamoo's routines are harder and Euijin/Sumin/Nahyun are the best out of these two groups.

 

4. G-Friend [SinB > Yerin > Umiji > Eunha/Sowon > Yuju]

 

5. Mamamoo [Whee In > Moon Byul/Solar > Hwasa]

 

It's too early to compare CLC with other gg lol, they all can dance tho and the level seems really good. [Seungyeon > Yeeun > Yujin > Sorn > Seunghee]

 

I disagree with Irene being better than Seulgi. Seulgi has the better musicality and Irene has better execution. Seulgi does better in the Automatic performances whilst Irene is doing better in the ICC performances. Irene is more consistent because she sings less parts, but Seulgi is more fluid and seamless with her movements. Overall, they are at least even, but Seulgi definitely does better than Irene when she doesn't have sing live (it affects her stamina and therefore her execution), so Seulgi /> Irene. This reminds me of the Victoria/Luna dilemma people were having, Luna having better musicality, but Victoria having stronger execution and consistency.

 

And I wouldn't say that Yeri is stronger than Joy just yet, because although her movements are strong and she is a well balanced dancer, she is still quite inconsistent and prone to mistakes. I have no doubt though that by the time Yeri reaches Joy's age, she'll be better than Joy is currently, because she has a lot of potential.

 

We have really yet to see what Mijoo is capable of, the choreography that Lovelyz have been given has been way too easy for her and I really want to them tap into Mijoo's potential because her dancing is criminally wasted with the choreo.

Edited September 10, 2015 by The Great Dane

[Qri]

Hello. I have a little question about EXO. I've noticed for a while that sometimes their dances don't look very synchronized. I know  very little about dancing but Kai seems like he dances ahead of the others sometimes (maybe he is too good?). In the video below you can see him and Lay, who is considered a very good dancer too, from 0:50 to 1:12. They both dance very well but it seems a bit off to me, maybe is a question of style I don't really know but I'd like to understand if you could explain me what you think.

 

 

Well Kai was slightly off by half a beat in that small part, but otherwise both were technically sound throughout the performance.

 

I personally think Lay is better. I mean Kai is definitely a great dancer, but he "works" the best alone, when it's only him on stage, when with Lay I can see both good sides within the group and alone. And that it also connected to what I said before. 

Yes, Kai's main problem does lie with him not really being a team player when it comes to dancing in a group. However, technique-wise Kai is very noticeably better than Lay in practically every aspect.

[Qri]

Thanks to you too. It's good to have another opinion. How do you think J-Hope would rank in current Kpop or with respect to Kai and Lay for example?

J-Hope biggest strength lies in his dynamics, which is largely due to the fact that his specialty lies in popping and so dynamics and agility are imperative components with dances like those. His dancing is honestly very impressive and if I see other performances and he is equally as strong, then he is definitely on par with Kai/Lay, possibly better than them if he has consistency within his performances.

[Qri]

okay so you know what I am about to ask

 

 

 

 

 

thoughts?  Good, bad points?

All of them did a lot better than they have been doing recently in concerts which is nice, but I'm interested to see if their enthusiasm translates into their live performances.

 

In the video, HyoYoonYul did the best, strong execution and nice musicality throughout. Now clearly you can see this video took quite a number of takes because Sooyoung, Taeyeon and Seohyun were inconsistent. The three mostly did well (Seohyun's hip movements were really nicely executed), but there were parts where you could clearly they were tired and not doing their best, especially Taeyeon who clearly does better in the Japanese version of the mv (which indicates that they shot the Japanese version first). Now Sunny, there are parts where she does well like the first pre-chorus, but the second pre-chorus was lazy (2:31) and I feel like throughout a lot of the video, she wasn't really trying, like she had timing issues on almost every hair flip and I was honestly disappointed. Finally Tiffany, this was Tiffany's best performance in a while, granted she still had a lot of issues like her overall stiffness, her inability to properly move her hips, and her leg movements were messy at times, but it wasn't bad.

 

So overall in the video(s):

Hyoyeon > Yuri/Yoona > Sooyoung > Taeyeon/Seohyun > Sunny > Tiffany

[Qri]

Plez stan them

 

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw7At5nsDH4[/media]

Ohhh did you show me these guys on tinychat?

 

People keep saying Seulgi is a better dancer than Krystal!  :soul:

 

Tell them it's not tru

... it is true though. Seulgi is a stronger dancer than Krystal in practically every way, she has better execution, fluidity, musicality and technical accuracy. The only thing Krystal might have over Seulgi is consistency and possibly stamina but I would have to look further into both of their dancing and Krystal has a lot more material than Seulgi. Don't get me wrong, Krystal is good dancer in her own right, she's as strong as some of SNSD's dance line, but there's a reason why Seulgi was made the main dancer of Red Velvet.

[Qri]

No. I showed you We are Heroes and they're all girls.

But you showed me a group of guys too!

[Qri]

 

tbh i completely disagree, miss a >>>> afterschool. there's a huge gap in between them. having had kahi, who's an extremely versatile and charismatic dancer lead their performances gave off an illusion that they're all great dancers, but since she left their weak skill set is pretty clear. their dancing looks pretty but there's all that is to it. i heard uee's supposed to be the lead dancer which surprised me considering she looks the most awkward out of the whole group, aside from lizzy.

Hmmm, Miss A are definitely better than current AS, but I'm not sure I'd say the gap between them is as huge as you're claiming. Both groups have had really messy performances recently. The 'Only You' era was not good for Miss A at all, and it particularly displayed how much Suzy has regressed since their last comeback. And the only dancing AS has showcased recently has been for all their Japanese songs, and the choreo for their Japanese stuff always looks rushed and messy like they haven't practiced it enough times/don't care.

 

 

Oh hay, here I am two months later. I showed you D-Trix, and he's a part of Quest sooo

 

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CvwgC-WQlo[/media]

 

Stan her.

Girl I already do!