The Official Dance Thread

[Qri]

Why is Krystal one of your favorites? I havnt seen her dance much so that's why I'm asking

Oh Krystal is a really nice dancer and is definitely underappreciated. She's not one of my personal favourites like Jarad, but I can see that she moves very well, she has lovely musicality and precision. The only thing that slightly irks me about her dancing at times is that I feel like she's only dancing for herself and she's not always putting on a performance, which means she also has bad habits such as looking at the floor too much. Still, it looks like she's been improving which is nice to see and f(x) in general are a very solid group of dancers (even Sulli lol).

Here are some videos of her:

 

 

 

[Qri]

She is pretty good. She is a smooth dancer when it comes to choreography. Do you have any opinions on Luna?

Luna's a wonderful dancer, definitely better than Krystal. There's been a debate amongst us over who's better between Luna and Victoria but I'd say Vic is the better dancer. Luna is a very clean and precise dancer when it comes to f(x) choreography and she is also firmly rooted towards hip hop style dancing which is why her moves appear more defined and sharp. She also got very nice musicality and consistency and her stage presence is spot on. However, her weaknesses mainly lie in her fluidity which can be off at times and slight awkwardness as well sometimes (due to her stature). She's also lacking in versatility although maybe that will change if we get to see more material from her.

Edited June 3, 2014 by PokéFairy Qri

[Qri]

Hi, Dance counterpart! It's so nice in here.

I wish we were as popular as you guys.

[Qri]

We aren't that popular. A lot of the time it's just the same people posting the same questions/derailing of the thread/arguments and such. This seems like a nice, calm and friendly place.

Still, I wish this thread was a bit more busier so I could have something to do. We were getting questions everyday back in January but the amount of visitors have since dwindled.

[Qri]

How is Taemin current dancing compared to how he was 2008-2011(or 2012) ?

Here are videos and a lot of links to videos:D

Till 2012

 

 

More here:

 

2012 get up (it has some dance):

2009 let me know: know:

2008 So bucc: 

 

2010 Lucifer: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=cellulite

another one:

 

2012:

 

 

 

 

Current (besides everybody and other promoted tracks):

 

 

More here:

 

2014 rdd solo but different date:

2014 evil: 

 

 

2014 nightmare: 

2013 hitchhiking: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fGIcgYAhpo

2014 dynamite:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTBoC8emWnQ

2014 spoiler:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISsUX1gHh1c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFmeZO1VpNg

 

 

I posted links to aloooooot of vides. There's no need to watch all of it though:D

Or you don't need to watch them at all if you follow shinee I guess.

He pretty much hasn't had any dance solo in a while so most of the performances involve singing, which put less focus on the dance, but I think the way he dances changed quite a bit. I sometimes wonder if he used to dance the way he did under the influence of Rino.

(I would appreciate getting more than one response since I'd like to here multiple opinions...  )

 

Thank you in advance

Taemin has depreciated in terms of his fluidity and accuracy. Musicality wise, Taemin hasn't changed (perhaps even improved in certain respects as he's improved his singing). But Rino was definitely a heavy influence on him which is evident in his older videos. Idk, he's slightly weaker than before but it's not to a large degree. If he wanted to, he could easily return to his previous level of dancing.

 

which is better

 

 

i really like the second one

Well technically they're both pretty strong so idk objectively since I'm not too familiar with either crew. I guess subjectively I would say that the second one was more innovative choreo-wise so I enjoyed it more.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uiUfkwvIwP4

 

thoughts?

Ehhh, weak but towards the end it was more average. I mean I guess the dance line did ok but even with them there were consistency issues. The rest were pretty disappointing especially Taeyeon who has been slaying the Mr Mr era and their concert recently.

 

Hi again. I've found a clear fancam of her performing this routine at one of their concerts. Any thoughts on how she did?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7wb9DVGejc

 

Another fancam starting at 2:58

 

Looking at it closely, Minzy did fine. The choreography was a pretty simple step dance routine so I wouldn't expect any less.

 

 

hi can i get an analysis for all 4 of the males dancers, such as their strength and weaknesses in this dance with Boa and in your opinion who danced the best and why? 

 

similarly if i could get an analysis for this dance performance of eunhyuk,taemin and kai (this is from smtown seoul 2012)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKs7Y7rmB38

 

 

same dance from 0.39-1.14 (this is from smtown beijing 2013)

 

 

 

same dance from 0.33 -1.05  (this is from smtown singapore 2012)

 

I'll probably do an analysis of the first performance this weekend if I'm not busy. We've talked quite a bit about Eunhyuk, Taemin, Kai and Sehun tho so you can use the search function to search them.

 

How is Kaotsun's dancing?

http://youtu.be/RJoI68N4JD8

It was ok overall. I mean she has nice musicality and she generally had good accuracy of movements. However, she overdanced a lot. I mean I was worried that she was gonna suffer from whiplash at the beginning, she did not need to whip her hair so much and it was kind of distracting. Some of her moves were also too powerful which means she needs to work on her dynamics. Generally tho, it was a nice performance especially when she was dancing with Darren.

[Qri]

Tell me yo opinions

 

 

 

You can skip to 1:30

slayed

[Qri]

out of complete boredom i just reread tis entire thread lol

I miss Rose Lilly :'(

I just realized i promised to upload vids of me dancing but never have. I think I'll do that this week (as soon as i figure out how to get it from disc to computer to YouTube)

Yes Rose Lily where have you gone?

Ooh and I can't wait to see.

Edited June 18, 2014 by PokéFairy Qri

[Qri]

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW SHE DID. 

 

http://youtu.be/Em8m0TnkVVY?t=2m50s

I was gonna judge her but then NOOOOOOOAAHHHH

 

so yeah

[Qri]

Man HyunA slayed her comeback stage! Her musicality shines in this performance and if she remains this consistent throughout her promotion cycle then I'd say she's improved.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x223q31_140725-kbs-music-bank-hyuna-blacklist-feat-le-of-exid-red_music
 

Thoughts? c;

A bit messy but it was a nice performance overall.

[Qri]

Hey guyz. I got my his permission to post his performance here. Guess who this guy is. He's an Oh user~

http://chocolatdubulge.tumblr.com/post/51683499971/myretard-my-friend-sent-me-a-video-of-him

Oh my gosh is that Ahmin?? 

[Qri]

What do you guys think of Xuimin?

Xiumin is a nice dancer, definitely the next best dancer after EXO's dance line (Kai/Lay/Luhan/Sehun). Xiumin has shown good precision and dynamics in his dancing and he is very consistent. He also has decent musicality, although not quite as honed as the dance line, and Xiumin would definitely need to work on his stage presence and ability to draw in the audience if he wished to improve.

 

GIVE ME YO OPINION

 

 

That was a good performance. I would say that Kasper and Eunhyuk performed better than Won. Kasper displayed the most clean and precise performance, whereas Eunhyuk performed the best in terms of musicality. Won slightly suffered from half-assery when he wasn't in the middle (sort of like what Sulli and HyunA do) so he only truly outshone the other two @1:07 where for a short time he displayed the best musicality. The performance was overall really nice, although those spins at the end were off (Idek what kind of mess).

[Qri]

I know earlier in the thread you guys said Taemin wasn't very precise anymore. Do you think he fixed that here? What are his good and bad points?

Yeah he is quite precise here although there were a number of moments where his feet movements were too fast by half a step or so. The problem is that he lacks consistency between performances because he has to balance his singing as well. What truly shines in this performance though is his musicality, man that has improved so much! His dancing is so comfortable and it flows very well.

[Qri]

I always thought kai and taemin were on the same level....Don't you guys think Kai is overshadowed by Taemin here? Kai looks a bit awkward there too. 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJmTchPia0I

That stage isn't the best source of judgement since Taemin was half-assing and his solo choreo was more difficult than Kai's, but Kai did do better in that performance. Now generally, Kai has better precision and his dance style is very articulate, whilst Taemin has the upper hand with musicality. However, Kai is still the better dancer overall purely because of consistency and Taemin has been gradually getting more inconsistent as time passes.

[Qri]

really? I'm actually impressed with Taemin's danger performances 

 

 

 

I felt kai was a bit stiff there.

 

Yeah Taemin did well there... but at the expense of his vocals.

 

Kai wasn't stiff per se, but I agree that Taemin was more fluid.

[Qri]

I actually think he did better during his second week of promotions when he had to sing live than during his week.  

 

1st week (lipsync)

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osQtwnDoTfw

 

2nd-3rd week (live-singing)

 

(best stage overall imo)

(he was struggling a bit here with singing)

 

As for his last few stages...I'm not too sure what he was doing but he made some changes to the dance....they look less energetic? but still just as precise as he was during week 1-2.(live-singing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChEI3DWqbYY&feature=youtu.be

 

 

"Taemin has been gradually getting more inconsistent as time passes"

By this do you mean that he doesn't try as often....? or that he's still inconsistent even when he tries?

 

Also, I always thought Kai had better musicality? People always talk about how Kai's dancing is a work of art/how he connects to the song to tell a story through his dance....or is that different from musicality?

 

How did he do here? He was taking it easy though since it wasn't an actual recording

Danger:

 

Pretty Boy:

 

Well by inconsistent I mean he doesn't try as hard as often, but as this gradually becomes a habit, even when he does try his moves simply aren't as precise anymore. I mean, it not a horrible decrease in skill (like Sulli or Jessica) but it is still noticeable. 

 

Now in terms of musicality, a lot of it has to do with the choreography Taemin and Kai are given as well as experience. Taemin has generally showcased a better understanding of music because it quite evident that not only Rino has had a massive influence, but also the improvement of his vocals have led to him gain a wider scope. The way he performs also speaks a lot more to the audience. Conversely, Kai also has wonderful musicality however, it is very apparent when a type of dance does not particularly suit him. Junglove mentioned previously that he appears quite "stiff" in some performances with Taemin and whilst I clarified that it wasn't stiffness per se, a lot of that perception does have to do with Kai's musicality. Kai performs, but he performs for himself and this is very apparent in most of his performances, which is why it becomes blatantly obvious when a particular dancing style isn't his forte.

[Qri]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaJthPpIFjM

Just wanted to share, but this is one of the best I've seen Seohyun dance, she by far outshined Taeny during the Adreline performance. I still wouldn't place her above Sunny or Taeyeon just yet since she was kind of inconsistent in the Holler performance and Taeyeon did better in that perf, but I'm glad to see her improving!

Thank you for the thorough explanation:)

 

I really hope he starts trying harder like he used to pre-sherlock era...but with the way their schedules are I really don't see that happening. I think his dancing hasn't deteriorated since 2012....or has it? I know that in comparison to 2008-2011 there is a difference, but he seems quite consistent with the level he's been showcasing since 2012.

His precision has been getting worse, but his musicality has been improving so I would say that he's about the same level, if not slightly worse.

[Qri]

lol are you saying Sehun is a lazy dancer? XD

Xiumin's a ball of energy and Sehun... isn't XP. But he still has that chillax groove. That hiphop feel and fluidity (lol idk what im saying im no expert). Which honestly i don't think xiumin can do. I also said xiumin can't do intricate dance moves, so in opposite sehun can. Especially with his feet and hands. Technically Sehun is a better dancer but I think Xiu is more of a performer.  Xiumin perfects his movements in front of the mirror, Sehun goes by feel.

 

So I really meant opposite XD.

Sehun is a lazy dancer lol, he's still pretty darn good though.

 

And that "hiphop feel and fluidity" to Sehun's dancing is his musicality. Xiumin and Sehun aren't actually that far apart in terms of precision and accuracy as a dancer (in fact Xiumin is possibly better), however what sets them apart is that Sehun has brilliant musicality (or "feel" as you've described) which even surpasses Lay and Kai at times. That's why I previously stated that Xiumin does need to improve his musicality, because he dancing does not particularly stand out, unlike Sehun's.

Edited September 19, 2014 by The Great Dane

[Qri]

I am wondering what sets Lay and Kai apart?Isn't Kai slightly better than Lay? I remember you told me on tc that Kai is the best dancer in SM as of now; does that mean Lay is 2nd best of Sm?

No there are quite a few dancers better than Lay, such as Taemin, Eunhyuk, Shindong, Donghae and Yunho. Lay lacks the musicality as well as the precision and accuracy that Kai exhibits. Lay is also occasionally inconsistent and will go somewhat stiff on his movements and he has that very bad habit of looking at the floor whilst dancing which suggests a lack of confidence. Kai VS Taemin would be a much more closer comparison since Taemin is the 2nd best in SM after Kai and it truly shows.

[Qri]

How good is the dance line from SNSD?

Really good overall. I mean Hyoyeon is significantly better than the other members, since she's one of the best female dancers in K-pop, but the others are great dancers in their own right. If you want a ranking, it goes like this:

Hyoyeon >>> Yuri > Yoona > Sooyoung >> Taeyeon > Sunny/Seohyun >>> Tiffany/Jessica

[Qri]

Hyoyeon (obviously) > Yoona > Yuri > Sooyoung I think.

 

(Personal ranking : Hyo > Yuri > Sooyoung > Yoona).

 

Yoona is a really greaaaat technician, Yuri has an amazing body control/language, Sooyoung is the "worst" (still a strong dancer ofc) when it comes to dance but her stage presence makes her more interesting than Yoona imo.

It's interesting you place Yoona above Yuri although I would strongly disagree; Yuri has much more control over body, and has shown to be a lot more comfortable in general. Yuri is also able to use and play with the dynamics of her movements in order to suit her style, which Yoona appears to have very little knowledge of or she is too shy to try (the latter seems more feasible to me, since Yoona also showcases a few bad habits that show she isn't quite comfortable with her skills.) So overall, I'd Yoona has an issue with her confidence, which really limits what she can showcase as dancer, since I know she capable of improving her musicality, but she seems hesitant to do so despite being a really strong technical dancer. Yuri is clearly the more capable dancer, because she has managed to show a better understanding of dance by using the control of her body to her advantage.

[Qri]

DON'T IGNORE ME QRI!!

FEMM is nice.

Okay bye.

[Qri]

IMO it depends on the genre, but my SNSD ranking:

 

Technical:

Hyoyeon > Jessica > Yuri > Seohyun > Sooyoung > Yoona > Taeyeon > Sunny > Tiffany

 

Freestyle:

Hyoyeon > Sooyoung > Jessica > Sunny > Yuri > Seohyun > Yoona > Tiffany > Taeyeon

 

Style:

Hyoyeon > Sooyoung > Yuri > Yoona > Jessica > Tiffany > Seohyun > Sunny > Taeyeon

Um are you trapped in 2007?

Edited September 27, 2014 by The Great Dane

[Qri]

Yeah, Jessica is technically on point. When people comment Jessica's dance they look at her style, but not on how we she executes the movements. She's subtle but precise. She's also versatile dancer, able to adapt to many genres.

Jessica hasn't showcased a decent performance in a long time and her dance prowess has depreciately greatly as a consequence for her laziness. She is inconsistent on the most basic of movements, her limb movements are weak and are far from precise, she's becoming increasingly more stiff and she hasn't danced a different genre in a long while. The only real redeeming quality to Jessica's dancing is her musicality which is somewhat decent, although it is definitely not as great as before. But overall, she is most definitely not technically on point.

Edited September 26, 2014 by The Great Dane

[Qri]

    do you mind answering my question about why Sunny is on the same level as Seohyun and not Taeyeon

Oh sorry! Well Taeyeon has been improving steadily especially during their Japan Tour and Mr.Mr. and there has been a noticeable improvement in the execution of her movements as well as her musicality. She still has consistency issues but some of her performances have been great and better than Sooyoung's recently. Now Sunny has not improved as much and she really inconsistent during the Mr.Mr. era, and the biggest thing that's letting her down is her lower body movements which are still lacking in control. That's why I'd no longer consider Taeyeon and Sunny to be on the same level.

 

I get where you're both coming from, and I don't disagree with you that Jessica has been lacking in recent performances.  She doesn't exhibit that same fire she did years ago, and seems to be simply going through the motions. 

 

When I look at dancers I look at their skill set, what they're capable of doing, and their execution.  Jessica has the skill set and I know what she's capable of doing.  Had I seen her recent performances without knowing her background my dance order would probably be different, but because I do know her background I took that into consideration. 

 

I can understand your argument, but I disagree that she is still capable of utilising the skills she once had simply because I don't believe she has those skills anymore. Slacking in dances has become a habit to her, and this will most definitely have taken a toll on her skills because in order to retain her skills, she still needs to practice them and maintain the use of them which she has not done.

 

Btw, thanks for livening up the discussion with this debate, this thread is been pretty dead for a while. 

[Qri]

Finally someone agrees with me, people tend to confuse her laziness with being technically a lousy dancer. I also don't agree with Kai being a better dancer than Taemin either but that's a different topic. As much as I respect Qri it's good that other people that know about dancing can give a different opinion. 

Yeah, it just all depends on your perspective and how you choose to judge a dancer.