The Official Dance Thread

[Naughtyy]

I apologise, I didn't mean to come across as big headed, but this thread is a place where users who know their stuff answer your questions. And it's not as if any of the EXO members are bad dancers, they are all better than average. I just watched the EXO dubstep intro video and they all did well (Kai did the best and Chanyeol did the worst from what I could tell).

Ok I understand and I apologize to destined2bebossy as well.

[♥SNS-Shinomiya♥]

Ok

Seohyun performs with the most accuracy out of the three, but looks awkward and uncomfortable a lot of the time and she lacks stage presence. Sunny shows the most enthusiasm, does her best to draw attention from the audience and has shown the most improvement, but has the least control of her body particularly her limbs. Taeyeon has the best control of her body, has the best natural stage presence, decent musicality and looks the most comfortable. She's just a half-asser and dancing is obviously not her priority.

  lastly why is Yoona ahead of Sooyoung

[Qri]

  lastly why is Yoona ahead of Sooyoung

They are actually about even, both have great musicality and precision, Sooyoung has better stage presence but Yoona has better executed movements. Yoona has been more consistent than Sooyoung recently though, which is why she might be slightly better.

[Pinklette]

Hi guys .

So I’ve been enoying reading all of the pages cause next to dancing & watching dance, I love discussing dance!  I wanted to post her before but I like how you are all very observational and extenisive with your wording and I’m not really like that and not confident with my English hehehe.

I find myself agreeing with alot of your reasoning but then sometimes disagreeing with your conclusions. I think it has to do with different view of aspects of dance that I think is more or less important, so I wanted to give my two cents on those, if you don’t mind.

 

In a group of good dancers I find musicality KEY in differentiating the best from the rest. A dancer’s ability to ‘feel’ the music (like you guys described), natural sense of rhythm, gives a (given) choreography more life by ‘coloring’ it better. This dancer would catch my eye/the audience's.

A not-so musical dancer can be great technically, hitting on the given beat perfectly, but performance wise it is too ‘step-driven’ with no own interpretation. Dancing on top of the music rather than inside the music. It's good, but not that great. 

 

Therefore I find Boa the lesser dancer than Hyoyeon/Kahi and Sehun the better dancer than Luhan. Eventhough our observation on musicality is the same

 

There are other aspects as well which I find important. Hyoyeon more versatile and I find her a hard hitter.

This one is probably really unpopular but Sehun may be half assing sometimes that does not takes away his musicality, his low center and body control. After that ‘lazy’ comment remark he definitely stepped up his game and is def better than Kris, although Kris improved heaps. Also I think Luhan is still a good dancer, he’s energetic and excecutes the choreo well. 

[♥SNS-Shinomiya♥]

Hi guys .

So I’ve been enoying reading all of the pages cause next to dancing & watching dance, I love discussing dance!  I wanted to post her before but I like how you are all very observational and extenisive with your wording and I’m not really like that and not confident with my English hehehe.

I find myself agreeing with alot of your reasoning but then sometimes disagreeing with your conclusions. I think it has to do with different view of aspects of dance that I think is more or less important, so I wanted to give my two cents on those, if you don’t mind.

 

In a group of good dancers I find musicality KEY in differentiating the best from the rest. A dancer’s ability to ‘feel’ the music (like you guys described), natural sense of rhythm, gives a (given) choreography more life by ‘coloring’ it better. This dancer would catch my eye/the audience's.

A not-so musical dancer can be great technically, hitting on the given beat perfectly, but performance wise it is too ‘step-driven’ with no own interpretation. Dancing on top of the music rather than inside the music. It's good, but not that great. 

 

Therefore I find Boa the lesser dancer than Hyoyeon/Kahi and Sehun the better dancer than Luhan. Eventhough our observation on musicality is the same

 

There are other aspects as well which I find important. Hyoyeon more versatile and I find her a hard hitter.

This one is probably really unpopular but Sehun may be half assing sometimes that does not takes away his musicality, his low center and body control. After that ‘lazy’ comment remark he definitely stepped up his game and is def better than Kris, although Kris improved heaps. Also I think Luhan is still a good dancer, he’s energetic and excecutes the choreo well. 

   You should do the standard ranking? SNSD, Shinee, EXO, 2NE1, After School. I know very little about dance but I love reading and learning.

[Destined2bebossy]

Hi guys .

So I’ve been enoying reading all of the pages cause next to dancing & watching dance, I love discussing dance!  I wanted to post her before but I like how you are all very observational and extenisive with your wording and I’m not really like that and not confident with my English hehehe.

I find myself agreeing with alot of your reasoning but then sometimes disagreeing with your conclusions. I think it has to do with different view of aspects of dance that I think is more or less important, so I wanted to give my two cents on those, if you don’t mind.

 

In a group of good dancers I find musicality KEY in differentiating the best from the rest. A dancer’s ability to ‘feel’ the music (like you guys described), natural sense of rhythm, gives a (given) choreography more life by ‘coloring’ it better. This dancer would catch my eye/the audience's.

A not-so musical dancer can be great technically, hitting on the given beat perfectly, but performance wise it is too ‘step-driven’ with no own interpretation. Dancing on top of the music rather than inside the music. It's good, but not that great. 

 

Therefore I find Boa the lesser dancer than Hyoyeon/Kahi and Sehun the better dancer than Luhan. Eventhough our observation on musicality is the same

 

There are other aspects as well which I find important. Hyoyeon more versatile and I find her a hard hitter.

This one is probably really unpopular but Sehun may be half assing sometimes that does not takes away his musicality, his low center and body control. After that ‘lazy’ comment remark he definitely stepped up his game and is def better than Kris, although Kris improved heaps. Also I think Luhan is still a good dancer, he’s energetic and excecutes the choreo well.

 

I agree with the bolded part.

But not so much with what you said about Sehun only cause your reasoning for BoA being less than Hyo and Kahi would then apply to him and Luhan.

[Nekci]

Who's the best and worst dancer?

[Destined2bebossy]

 

Who's the best and worst dancer?

 

 

 

Me

 

no but seriously, for which group?

[____shawnee]

Tiffany has two left feet though. (I love her and all but that's what I think)

Jessica still outdo Tiffany even when she is half assing

 

I have to agree. Tiffany does try and gives a great performance when she's in the mood, but she hardly executes the moves properly and is offbeat half of the time. She'd improved a bit since debut but she's still pretty bad. I'm not a dance expert but I'd never consider Jessica to be as bad as Tiffany.

 

Nope I change my mind, she is as bad as Tiffany, unless she actually tries.

Edited January 19, 2014 by SHAWNee

[TIM£]

Edited January 19, 2014 by TimeTurner

[Destined2bebossy]

^ my baby!

 

Can't wait for her to come back with moves like this. Chica on the right was working it too!

[zakuro]

Are Suho and Kris really better than D.O. now? Even in that dubstep intro video?

D.O. seems like he's hitting the moves hard in that video, well, to me

[pooh111]

Is key really more versatile than taemin? I just always thought taemin>key in terms of versatility because key looks stiff in some choreos (everybody,sherlock)

 

And is taemin really that great of a dancer as people say?(compared to other SM dancers). As much as people praise him, I feel like there are a lot of faults to his dancing.

1. He sometimes looks like his mind is wandering else where 2.I don't quite see the precision in his dancing

The only thing that stands out is how nicely he pulls off moves that maybe as simple as walking/or ones that would look awkward on somebody else. Everything else about his dancing seems like it could be vastly be improved. Almost everything about his dancing seems rough and waiting to be polished.

 

I cant really say anything too technical,I have no experience in dancing. I'm just very curious as to what actual dancer think about this:)

 

Edit: I have a lot of things I want to take back from this post

Edited July 30, 2015 by pooh111

[Jarad]

Is key really more versatile than taemin? I just always thought taemin>key in terms of versatility because key looks stiff in some choreos (everybody,sherlock)

 

And is taemin really that great of a dancer as people say?(compared to other SM dancers). As much as people praise him, I feel like there are a lot of faults to his dancing.

1. He sometimes looks like his mind is wandering else where 2.I don't quite see the precision in his dancing

The only thing that stands out is how nicely he pulls off moves that maybe as simple as walking/or ones that would look awkward on somebody else. Everything else about his dancing seems like it could be vastly be improved. Almost everything about his dancing seems rough and waiting to be polished.

 

I cant really say anything too technical,I have no experience in dancing. I'm just very curious as to what actual dancer think about this:)

God I haven't posted here in forever!

 

Anyway, I'm not the least bit apt to answer anything involving SHINee, but Taemin, IMO, can hit moves and his agility is very high compared to someone like say Yunho or Eunhyuk. But Kai is coming up in terms of performance. Like you said, Taemin suffers from appearing distant, something Jessica and Krystal both suffer from. Also if you compare him performing Replay around debut, and then the most recent performance, his precision and musicality has deteriorated a little, probably due to him now focusing on his vocal. He is one of the best dancers in SM though. Yunho's height is a major disadvantage for him, Eunhyuk is a much more crisp dancer, if that makes sense, but comes off as stiff and not as versatile as Taemin. Kai is a much better performer then Taemin IMO, but isn't as fluid with his moves as Taemin is.

 

Long story short, he is one of the better dancers among the guys in SM, but he's focusing more on vocals then dance and his dancing is starting to suffer.

[junglove]

Hi guys .

So I’ve been enoying reading all of the pages cause next to dancing & watching dance, I love discussing dance!  I wanted to post her before but I like how you are all very observational and extenisive with your wording and I’m not really like that and not confident with my English hehehe.

I find myself agreeing with alot of your reasoning but then sometimes disagreeing with your conclusions. I think it has to do with different view of aspects of dance that I think is more or less important, so I wanted to give my two cents on those, if you don’t mind.

 

In a group of good dancers I find musicality KEY in differentiating the best from the rest. A dancer’s ability to ‘feel’ the music (like you guys described), natural sense of rhythm, gives a (given) choreography more life by ‘coloring’ it better. This dancer would catch my eye/the audience's.

A not-so musical dancer can be great technically, hitting on the given beat perfectly, but performance wise it is too ‘step-driven’ with no own interpretation. Dancing on top of the music rather than inside the music. It's good, but not that great. 

 

Therefore I find Boa the lesser dancer than Hyoyeon/Kahi and Sehun the better dancer than Luhan. Eventhough our observation on musicality is the same

 

There are other aspects as well which I find important. Hyoyeon more versatile and I find her a hard hitter.

This one is probably really unpopular but Sehun may be half assing sometimes that does not takes away his musicality, his low center and body control. After that ‘lazy’ comment remark he definitely stepped up his game and is def better than Kris, although Kris improved heaps. Also I think Luhan is still a good dancer, he’s energetic and excecutes the choreo well. 

musicality is key, natural sense of rhythm and following  choreography? do you think enthusiasm is is more important than all those things you said?

I mean being enthusiastic and having good facial expression while you are dancing is good, but is that enough for someone who doesn't have a sense of rhythm?

[KL.]

Hey, we're the one's who know about dance here, not you. If you do disagree with the rankings, then at least try to back up your argument respectfully. And yes, Kris does perform better than D.O since he has improved unless you have a few recent videos to show us otherwise.

 

Well part of dance is enthusiasm and ability to draw in the audience, which is something that Tiffany always does (even if she's as stiff as a log lol) whilst Jessica doesn't. Jessica is a shrivelling ball of potential (best analogy I could think of).

 

SNSD: Hyoyeon > Yuri > Yoona /> Sooyoung > Taeyeon/Sunny/Seohyun > Jessica /> Tiffany

Miss A: Min > Jia > Fei > Suzy

Sistar: Hyorin > Bora > Soyu/Dasom

All together (take this with a grain of salt since I'm doing this from my head):

Hyoyeon /> Min > Hyorin > Yuri > Jia > Fei > Yoona /> Sooyoung > Suzy > Bora > Soyu/Dasom > rest of SNSD

 

Kai > Luhan/Lay > Xiumin > Tao > Baekhyun > Suho > Sehun /> Kris > D.O > Chen/Chanyeol

Sehun was around Xiumin's level at debut, but he's gotten lazier. Kris has gotten better from debut to Growl.

 

Well with Sooyoung, there's not really much to judge since the dance is pretty simple. She danced well as usual but she did have to pull down what she was wearing a number of times.

Now Sunny's Bloom performance was great! She showcased her sex appeal, her moves were very well executed and she didn't look uncomfortable. It was very enjoyable to watch.

Hyorin>Yuri? I think Hyorin should be in Yoona's level or slightly better. And I think Hyo>Min not Hyo/> Since Hyo has shown great power and control and is more versatile.

[pooh111]

God I haven't posted here in forever!

 

Anyway, I'm not the least bit apt to answer anything involving SHINee, but Taemin, IMO, can hit moves and his agility is very high compared to someone like say Yunho or Eunhyuk. But Kai is coming up in terms of performance. Like you said, Taemin suffers from appearing distant, something Jessica and Krystal both suffer from. Also if you compare him performing Replay around debut, and then the most recent performance, his precision and musicality has deteriorated a little, probably due to him now focusing on his vocal. He is one of the best dancers in SM though. Yunho's height is a major disadvantage for him, Eunhyuk is a much more crisp dancer, if that makes sense, but comes off as stiff and not as versatile as Taemin. Kai is a much better performer then Taemin IMO, but isn't as fluid with his moves as Taemin is.

 

Long story short, he is one of the better dancers among the guys in SM, but he's focusing more on vocals then dance and his dancing is starting to suffer.

So I'm not the only one who thought that there was something lacking his dance that he had in his early days of his career:D

[Qri]

Hi guys .

So I’ve been enoying reading all of the pages cause next to dancing & watching dance, I love discussing dance!  I wanted to post her before but I like how you are all very observational and extenisive with your wording and I’m not really like that and not confident with my English hehehe.

I find myself agreeing with alot of your reasoning but then sometimes disagreeing with your conclusions. I think it has to do with different view of aspects of dance that I think is more or less important, so I wanted to give my two cents on those, if you don’t mind.

 

In a group of good dancers I find musicality KEY in differentiating the best from the rest. A dancer’s ability to ‘feel’ the music (like you guys described), natural sense of rhythm, gives a (given) choreography more life by ‘coloring’ it better. This dancer would catch my eye/the audience's.

A not-so musical dancer can be great technically, hitting on the given beat perfectly, but performance wise it is too ‘step-driven’ with no own interpretation. Dancing on top of the music rather than inside the music. It's good, but not that great. 

 

Therefore I find Boa the lesser dancer than Hyoyeon/Kahi and Sehun the better dancer than Luhan. Eventhough our observation on musicality is the same

 

There are other aspects as well which I find important. Hyoyeon more versatile and I find her a hard hitter.

This one is probably really unpopular but Sehun may be half assing sometimes that does not takes away his musicality, his low center and body control. After that ‘lazy’ comment remark he definitely stepped up his game and is def better than Kris, although Kris improved heaps. Also I think Luhan is still a good dancer, he’s energetic and excecutes the choreo well.

I had always considered precision, control and technique before musicality, but I might have to reconsider how I judge lol since I agree with a lot of what you're saying.

But, I don't agree that Sehun is a better dancer than Luhan. Yes, he has most certainly showcased a better sense of musicality than Luhan, but Luhan is still a lot more well balanced and more consistent. Sehun's musicality doesn't make up for his half-assness, but as you've said he's been doing better recently. If he continues to perform with more enthusiasm more consistently then perhaps I'll reconsider my judgement but for now I still stand by Luhan >>> Sehun.

But your BoA and Hyoyeon comparisons have really piqued my interest. I feel the need to do more research and ask my dance teacher for advice.

[Qri]

Hyorin>Yuri? I think Hyorin should be in Yoona's level or slightly better. And I think Hyo>Min not Hyo/> Since Hyo has shown great power and control and is more versatile.

Yeah sorry, I said to take it with a grain of salt.

And yeah Hyo is definitely better than Min, I don't know why I put "/" there. And Yuri is better than Hyorin, but I don't think Hyorin has enough material tbh and we haven't seen the full extent of her capabilities imo.

[abra]

Can you rank T-ara?

 

Is it Jiyeon > Hyomin > Eunjung > Qri > Boram > Soyeon now?

[A Boy Like Troy]

Can you rank T-ara?

 

Is it Jiyeon > Hyomin > Eunjung > Qri > Boram > Soyeon now?

 

Please post a video link as a source of judgement.

[Nekci]

 

 

Me

 

no but seriously, for which group?

all of kpop

[abra]

Please post a video link as a source of judgement.

I wish I could but the only source would be fancams of performances.

These are from the summer of 2013 but I can't think of any with better quality videos:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uev1RnkGTJE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtFNQwWwHGs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z98ehtm1_c

 

Jiyeon number nine fancam:

 

 

Eunjung and Hyomin from IS2 (simple choreo):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pusj6MPhCYI

 

Soyeon (almost 2 years old and the choreo is simple but the only solo performance I can think of):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB0ZoQXjB1Q

[____shawnee]

Jiyeon is a half-asser sometimes too

[AngelaonMars]

 

Loving new BoA's video xD She looks so energetic doing this kind of dance and song ) She tends to go dead on the face when she has to dance and sing live at the same time, but when she lipsyncs and dances, she performs so well and has an amazing stage presence xD