DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Someone posed this questioned there: Can someone explain this to me, why do fans of J-Pop idols have a negative reaction to their faves releasing mature/modern/edgy songs? My friend told me AKB's songs like Uza don't generate the same amount of interest as their cuter songs and I saw the same thing happen to E-Girls when they released Rydeen. Their fans' comments were super harsh and they wanted them to ditch that concept. Johnny's fans, except for KAT-TUN and Kinki Kids, do the same thing. When Arashi came out with Mada Minu Sekai E or the recent Sakura fans asked them to go back to the genki songs although they're already in their 30's. Why is that? Why is it that an artist is allowed to sing that sort of music but idols are confined to 90's sounding pop songs? It must be frustrating for the idols themselves. I thought E-girls fans liked Rydeen? And I had to review Sakura recently. I thought it was a good song but the fans who commented on the review said it was boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorrow Air 29 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Because J-Idols are considered groups that's suppose to make you feel happy/good. They're figures that gives strength to those who needs it. Personally, I don't really care about what type of song they releases long as I like the songs. Also, didn't E-Girls claimed they're not idols? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Because J-Idols are considered groups that's suppose to make you feel happy/good. They're figures that gives strength to those who needs it. Personally, I don't really care about what type of song they releases long as I like the songs. Also, didn't E-Girls claimed they're not idols? So you can't get that feel from a more contemporary song? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAE ZONE 10,428 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 My friend told me AKB's songs like Uza don't generate the same amount of interest as their cuter songs AKB fans, especially Japanese male fans, are way more into their idols being CUTE and PRETTY. They want to see smiles, winks, and skin -- not tough expressions, dark/serious lyrics, difficult/intricate dances, etc etc. There are a lot of international fans though who do like AKB/48G's "dark songs" with "cool dances" (UZA, Beginner, River, Kamonegix, Escape, Darkness ..etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorrow Air 29 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 So you can't get that feel from a more contemporary song? Is putting words in people's mouth/jumping to conclusion a habit of yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Is putting words in people's mouth/jumping to conclusion a habit of yours? Is making conclusions based on statements something people don't do where you are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuu-sus 847 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 its the same in kpop international fans love fierce,edgy local fans prefer cute,ballads idols primarily are there to be cute girl/boy next doors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorrow Air 29 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Is making conclusions based on statements something people don't do where you are? Fortunately, few people around me actually jumps to conclusion. I happen to live in a very laid back, liberal country where we can talk sense into most things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Fortunately, few people around me actually jumps to conclusion. I happen to live in a very laid back, liberal country where we can talk sense into most things Don't leave the door open... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorrow Air 29 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Don't leave the door open... What do you mean by that? Did I somehow said something that would've meant something worse in another area of the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 What do you mean by that? Did I somehow said something that would've meant something worse in another area of the world? Your statement left the door open. The question asked why don't idols do contemporary songs. You said that it's because they're supposed to make people feel good. That left the door open for what I said: So contemporary songs don't make people feel good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyrobot 41 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 its the same in kpop international fans love fierce,edgy local fans prefer cute,ballads idols primarily are there to be cute girl/boy next doors Then again, idol groups in 2003-2008 which was enjoying Roh's left wing policies having an effect on their cultural freedom and thus allowed to experiment with the limits of social norms in Korea that is still felt after conservatives returned to power. While Koizumi made concessions to expand the anime industry, he couldn't touch the 800 pound gorilla that was Johnny and his alliance of idol productions because they hold that much power. If they could maintain strong domestic sales without losing their international rank as the second biggest industry in music Johnny has made smart business moves. Johnny have a strong hand in creating a sense of nostalgic taste in Japan and refuses to in any budge and make sure his closest allies toe the line of his company's policy. There may be contenders now and then but they realize that Johnny controls the idol industry and their power isn't waning any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorrow Air 29 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Your statement left the door open. The question asked why don't idols do contemporary songs. You said that it's because they're supposed to make people feel good. That left the door open for what I said: So contemporary songs don't make people feel good? For me, the answer is yes. Contemporary song can make people feel good, depending on the lyric and such. However, the answer is no for those that find contemporary song to not be as effective at making people feel good It's all a matter of opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 For me, the answer is yes. Contemporary song can make people feel good, depending on the lyric and such. However, the answer is no for those that find contemporary song to not be as effective at making people feel good It's all a matter of opinions. This is what you should've said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorrow Air 29 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 This is what you should've said. I agree. I should practice spoon-feeding information when it comes to this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Then again, idol groups in 2003-2008 which was enjoying Roh's left wing policies having an effect on their cultural freedom and thus allowed to experiment with the limits of social norms in Korea that is still felt after conservatives returned to power. While Koizumi made concessions to expand the anime industry, he couldn't touch the 800 pound gorilla that was Johnny and his alliance of idol productions because they hold that much power. If they could maintain strong domestic sales without losing their international rank as the second biggest industry in music Johnny has made smart business moves. Johnny have a strong hand in creating a sense of nostalgic taste in Japan and refuses to in any budge and make sure his closest allies toe the line of his company's policy. There may be contenders now and then but they realize that Johnny controls the idol industry and their power isn't waning any time soon. Why would the government go after JE exactly? And I don't think that JE has much to do with the nostalgic taste Japan has. A lot of it is linked to Japan being fond of the time when the economy was better. JE plays into that some, but they certainly didn't create it. There's a current revival of city pop and other funkier sounds in the indie scene and JE has no hand in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 I agree. I should practice spoon-feeding information when it comes to this forum. Or you could just learn how to have a conversation and stop having a hissy fit when someone replies to you in a way you're not fond of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorrow Air 29 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Throwing hissy fit? I'm actually quite fond of having heated conversation over normal ones. It's more fun when opinion/views collides and people start going in depth into things, could learn a lot more about a person/group out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyrobot 41 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Why would the government go after JE exactly? And I don't think that JE has much to do with the nostalgic taste Japan has. A lot of it is linked to Japan being fond of the time when the economy was better. JE plays into that some, but they certainly didn't create it. There's a current revival of city pop and other funkier sounds in the indie scene and JE has no hand in that. The liberal government in SKorea allowed record labels to explore creatively. A lot of the groups was pushing the envelope at that time. Meanwhile Koizumi was under the thumb of the LPJ who have companies like Johnny donating to keep them from getting their hands on whagever JE does from cartelism and anti competitive practices. So JE had a lot of influence in the idol/wota business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share Posted June 7, 2015 Throwing hissy fit? I'm actually quite fond of having heated conversation over normal ones. It's more fun when opinion/views collides and people start going in depth into things, could learn a lot more about a person/group out of it. You just seem god awfully bothered. The liberal government in SKorea allowed record labels to explore creatively. A lot of the groups was pushing the envelope at that time. Meanwhile Koizumi was under the thumb of the LPJ who have companies like Johnny donating to keep them from getting their hands on whagever JE does from cartelism and anti competitive practices. So JE had a lot of influence in the idol/wota business. KPop was more risque at that time. Once Hallyu became a thing, it got a lot more conservative. Like I said, I don't think boybands are a big enough issue for the government to get involved in. There are real issues that can be dealing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorrow Air 29 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 You just seem god awfully bothered. Not bothered, but process of learning. I'm had my fair share of conflicts everywhere I go on the internet, and I always treasure each and every one of them as they help me grow by engaging me in conversations with more opinionated ones as well as helping me see other's viewpoints. If you're to meet me 8 years ago, I'd probably already rage out from 2~3 post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathp 108 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Johnny's fans, except for KAT-TUN and Kinki Kids, do the same thing. When Arashi came out with Mada Minu Sekai E or the recent Sakura fans asked them to go back to the genki songs although they're already in their 30's. Why is that? Why is it that an artist is allowed to sing that sort of music but idols are confined to 90's sounding pop songs? It must be frustrating for the idols themselves. I don't get the generalizations over here actually. I don't think fans disliked Mada Minu Sekai E, it's from the Beautiful World album, one of the 3 million-selling Arashi albums. And the recent Sakura? No Arashi fan is expecting it to be a genki song. It's going to be theme song for Ouroboros drama, they are expecting it to be aligned with their darker songs. It cannot be genki. I guess Sakura just sounds boring bec it doesn't sound as hard hitting as some fans expect it to be, being the theme song of a supposed to be dark drama. ESPECIALLY when you compare it to their other singles such as Breathless, Face Down, etc, you can't say Arashi fans just wants genki and 90s. Also, their last album is THE DIGITALIAN. The most techno digital they ever got. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMi3-h9d5Y8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeless 444 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 My friend told me AKB's songs like Uza don't generate the same amount of interest as their cuter songs Is this statement based on single sales? Because I believe there are other factor why Uza's sales is not as high their previous single or after, maybe less handshake slot or idk .. other factors(?) But I also have other theory that doesn't related to sales, probably can only be applied for female idol groups, idols use their lives to interact with their fans, so there will be many chanst/mixes and furicopy during lives. Usually songs with a lot of them, will raise the heat up on concerts and become fans favorite. Some songs are easily added with mixes/chants depends on the arrangement and those probably are not considered modern/edgy. For example Kira Kira Tunes for Dempagumi or Houkago Getabako Rock n Roll MX for Ebichu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMC 59 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 These songs that their fans despise are the only ones that I like. The idol fans (and the J-Pop fanbase in general) are really conservative. Look at what happen to ayumi with Party Queen/Colours which were bashed by her loyal fans to the point that she went straight back to her old sound just to please them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebluecapricorn 182 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I guess it's the same what happended to Hello Venus, when they went from cute to sexy. Some of their ''fans'' didn't like them changing from a style, that they were used to see, to a style, that they weren't used to see them be and didn't like. And I guess it was also the same for 2NE1, when they released Falling In Love and Do You Love Me. A lot of blackjacks complained their style change in these songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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