The Unpopular Opinions Thread (Read OP)

[Digiwon]

IT factor doesnt exist, its just a term people use bc they think success happens overnight magically and not due multiple factors and work behind the curtains

[Digiwon]

Simon Says is by far the best song NCT 127 released this year and one of the best kpop releases this year overall, awesome song, great production and repeat value without sounding tryhard and following a basic formula, I'm impressed tbh and it regained my faith in their music. Their other 2018 releases weren't bad, but pretty bland to me, no real interesting thing going on despite being a little bit more public friendly. I think SS is going to be admired later just like T7S was.

[Digiwon]

Wonho and Hwasa were the best moments of all 3 MAMA shows. I'm pretty sure people slutshaming them are just triggered by how easily they stole the spotlight from their faves. I also hope Wonho keeps ripping his shirt off whenever he can to show that he still is the ultimate abs and sexy king of kpop. And no, the group isn't only his body. But there's nothing wrong in using all you can to attract new stans, something he surely did.

[Digiwon]

I don't give a shit about ships in both ways

 

Like I'm not like omg they're so cute then I start making videos with red arrows and photoshop them together

 

But I also won't bash and make fun of people who do it lol at least the first group show they have skills for something

[Digiwon]

Highlander is a really bad, overhyped movie and Queen's soundtrack, Sean Connery and Christopher Lambert weren't even the things worth saving in the movie. The real standout was the villain portrayed by Clancy Brown and it still annoys me how they wasted a perfect villain in such a meh movie. Kurgan is iconic, but he would be even more iconic with a more interesting plot and character depth.

[Digiwon]

I'm not sure if I will make my point clear, but as much as I sometimes love criticizing something that is bad, I love bad movies just as much as high quality movies, but for different reasons. The same goes for books, drawings etc pretty much every piece of entertainment. Why? Well bad stuff gets me thinking. What could be better, what should be discarded, what should be preserved, etc... I really enjoy analyzing to come up with something better for my own fun, and it also makes me want to help people, even when I'm not a genius either. I also think bad quality works are the perfect thing to look at when you don't feel motivated to do your job. Comparing your own job to a super high quality one is a reaaaally bad move. When you think about how people strive to achieve the same level of perfection that classic things have, I think bad works are painfully underrated! Imo, THESE are the ones that should be payed attention to the most. It's a thing to learn with the best and people totally should seek it, but to get a realistic sense and not feel intimidated by what you want to do - writing, making a movie etc - I think that bad things are very important in this purpose. They make us understand that nothing should be taken that seriously. Plus, people behind bad works didn't risked their reputation and time for nothing. There's a lot to learn with them just as much we could learn with a Kubrick or GRRM tbh. People seem to care only about great movies, great books, great artists, and overlook what was bad. I understand that, esp you have no interest in working with entertainment - although my point really can be applied to all areas, I think - but if you want to make your own entertainment then you should consider focusing on something that didn't worked. In fact wasn't like that how a lot of the overall industry evolved? Bad stuff obviously are bad, but they are also very underrated. There's a lot of possibilities hidden in things people forget about.

[Digiwon]

Honestly I'm getting sick of these stuff about most idol this, best idol that, its the goddamn elephant in the room everyone knows the main point is to circlejerk and get validation and its sooo repetitive and adds nothing new to the table ever, when people will realize that and stop, its always the same and its getting boring, obviously everyone wants to put their biases above the others but that's it, no enlightment or something new or interesting out of conversations like this and everyone knows but keep doing it anyway and its just boring and predictable

[Digiwon]

Catallena made me realize how rare it is to actually find songs by women that praise other women (the only other two that comes to mind rn are Rebel Girl and Boys Wanna Be Her) and how used we are to see a woman being praised in songs only under men's point of view (which honestly tend to be far more objectifying than women's)

 

That realization honestly is a life-changing for me and now I read the lyrics I want to cry because that's just so beautiful. I feel like there's just so much internalized hate for women out there and the type of love we can get respecting each other isn't the same we would with a man loving us. This is not about being gay... Its about respect and admiration... And love and comfort that we can only get among the same gender

 

 

The small, dancing Catellena (red sun)

Without knowing, I’m falling for you

Chic and proud, Catallena (red sun)

Jutti meri oye hoi hoi, I’m bewitched

 

Oh my, she’s so great, I’ve fallen for her

Even as a girl, I can see she’s so great

She’s temperamental but I want to see her

I want to know her, I want to dance with her

 

 

Lalala shake, shake it, wave your hand

Scream until you lose your voice

(Jutti Meri Oye Hoi Hoi Paula Mera Oye Hoi Hoi)

Good job, I’ll give you 100 points

 

Softly, softly, melting, melting

Shivering, shivering, trembling

I want to follow her

 

I don’t like her because she’s so chic

But even as a girl, I can see she’s so attractive

I’m angry but I want to dance for an hour, two hours

I want to play down to my very last bone

 

Lalala shake, shake it, wave your hand

Scream until you lose your voice

(Jutti Meri Oye Hoi Hoi Paula Mera Oye Hoi Hoi)

Not good enough, have some more strength

 

The small, dancing Catallena (red sun)

Without knowing, I’m falling for you

Chic and proud, Catallena (red sun)

Jutti meri oye hoi hoi, I’m bewitched

 

The hands that brush by are warm

Is she actually nice once you get to know her?

 

My temperamental Catallena

Everyone is falling for her

Chic and proud, Catellena (red sun)

Jutti meri oye hoi hoi, I’m bewitched

 

Softly, softly, melting, melting

Shivering, shivering, trembling

I want to follow her

 

 

Orange Caramel was legendary tbh though I doubt that's an unpopular opinion

 

 

Edited December 30, 2018 by Digiwon

[Digiwon]

I don't think its fair to compare a 2nd gen idol who trained for a long ass time for their OWN song to a 3rd gen idol who literally is performing the same song just for a special stage and have countless of songs of their own to perform. Let's see 2nd gen groups trying to perform a 3rd gen group song and then I think we can judge properly which one is superior when it comes to stage presence.

 

Tbh, I think people only say 2nd gen is the superior in stage presence bc we already saw everything we got to see from them. We are far from seing everything 3rd-4th gen has to offer. Yes plenty 2nd gen idols owned the stage, but it doesn't mean that some back in the day weren't just as lame as the weak ones of 3rd gen people love to compare. Not just that, most performances from idols that are considered the epitome of stage presence happened a considerable amount of years later after their debut, since most groups of 2nd gen debuted BEFORE 2010, and I think people fail to remember that.

Edited December 31, 2018 by Digiwon

[Digiwon]

Dating scandal may be interesting and all but honestly probably only if its not with your fave. Like even if your ship gets confirmed, it makes idols in such a vulnerable position I feel worried for them. Like imagine if everyone made a big deal just bc you're dating and talk about your private life so openly. Idk that sounds terrifying to me and I would never wish that to my faves

[Digiwon]

Sappy is a complete full bop tbh one of RV's best songs!! Love the unique, fun instrumental in contrast with the beautiful vocals. Plus the fact that the chorus is whispered was a genius touch, makes it a looooot less annoying than rookie and dumb dumb's where the chorus is too high pitch and noisy for my taste. It's perfect tbh I have nothing to complain

[Digiwon]

Really was by far the best song in Square Up

[Digiwon]

Visual group has to be one of the blandest and less impactful terms of kpop.

A lot of times "visual holes" are more attractive and more charming than members of the so called full visual groups.

That being said, visual hole is also a term with almost zero impact, because its often used as an insult for actually attractive idols who just happen to look different than standard, but good looking and appealing nonetheless.

though I have to admit here lol, the line between being objective vs being delusional is very thin, same for being unconventionally gorgeous vs having average but hyped looks.

 

And many times when it would actually make sense to apply it on some who fit the term better, it's not used because fans consider that more an insult than something objective.

In short, visual group and visual hole are useless terms in kpop that only are used for bland compliments and bland insults.

Edited January 16, 2019 by Digiwon

[Digiwon]

Asian movies are really great esp korean ones but they really need to tone down the tragedy sometimes ffs. I'm not asking for flowers and rainbows all the time, in fact everything else is flawless and shouldnt be changed but when we root so much for the characters for fkin 2 hours just to see them die at the end and its over its such a hell of ANTICLIMAX!! If you make a great movie don't make the best characters die! At least not all of them! We don't watch the entire movie for nothing! What's even the point? It's like. Giving us a puppy to play with and then kill it in front of our eyes. These movies have everything perfect except the unpleasant endings. I mean if it was only one here and there... But its like the third or fourth asian movie I watch like this! The heck

[Digiwon]

The term try hard is used negatively, but to be fair those "try hards" tend to succeed way more often than those who mock them bc of this trait

[Digiwon]

I can understand why 2ne1's I am the Best is considered iconic, the music video, the dance, the concept, the instrumental etc is great but tbh although fitting to what they are saying, the song itself is boring and repetitive and has 0 repeat value to me..

[Digiwon]

1. Ateez may not have won any award but they are hands down the best rookie we got in a looong time. Other groups will have to work hard if they want to achieve the same level of stage presence and unique style these guys have. Not only you can easily pick them in the crowd by their eccentric style, they are developing a music style in kpop that you listen and can tell right away its by them, and they have super cool choreos. You also can tell each single member gives everything they have on stage. None of them is half assing it, they make the right facial expressions with perfect timing and jump around and make vigorous moviments like its nothing. I love it! Its a joy to see idols genuinely enjoying what they are doing and give more than what is expected to the public.

 

2. That talk about stage presence makes clear to me what I feel wrong about many kpop performances. They seem to train so much that on stage they will just show what they have practiced countless times in the mirror. It's everything so automatic, choreographed, memorized that seems like idols are just worrying about making everything look perfect instead of truly enjoying their job, and forget that the main point is to entertain the public, not give a flawless robotic presentation.

 

Lack of stage presence vs stage presence, the way I see it, its like students just trying to memorize formulas for one exam VS students who actually learned in long term and will do well in any exam.

People with stage presence have an unpredictable and magnetizing vibe that makes people want to keep looking at them to see what will happen next, even if they watched the same performance countless times. People who don't have stage presence is like this: you see one performance, you see all. Nothing new to the table.

Stage presence is not overrated just because your faves don't have it. They can do well with something else, but a lot of people enjoy better being entertained by performers who hype the crowd and that's a fact. It doesn't make it overrated just because you particularly don't care: for a certain public, it's crucial.

[Digiwon]

I see a lot of people saying that a win on The Show isn't a real win but tbh these wins along with the inkigayo ones are my favorite. The Show gave the first win to many great kpop groups and tbh these first wins tend to be the most iconic and remembered. The Show also gives a lot more chance to less known groups and while it may not be as big as a win on a bigger music show, it definitely gives more motivation to smaller kpop groups to work harder and as a source of joy to the groups and their fans. Not every group or artist is super mega popular and can win on every single music show you know. In fact they are the exception. When you realize that maybe you'll get how unfair it is to downplay an achiement of a kpop group as smaller as it may seem.

[Digiwon]

these shaggy memes aren't funny

[Digiwon]

no >>>> black dress, hobgoblin

 

Both are great but not above No. A definite trait of Black Dress and Hobgoblin is that they have some restless instrumental with very repetitive parts. It's p fun and hype but at the same time it gets tiring to listen on repeat, or while you're doing other stuff - by personal experience it can actually be pretty irritating, and I'm not talking just about these two but also about all other super hype songs out there. But No is not just a dance song to sing aloud and dance, it's also a mood setter.. You listen to it and you feel like a runway model or smth like that. It's not tiring bc the hypest part is when Elkie and Seunghee sing "I love me, I like it" which is addictive, and that is balanced sooo well by "red lip? No. Earrings? No" that sounds almost like a mantra instead of a singing part, it's a natural earworm. So the song has balance. It makes the song memorable one way or the other. That alone makes No so much superior imo, and it was such a smart move. Well anyway to each their own but whenever I see people saying Black Dress was better - and i've already seen many - I'm like really??? How??? I can listen No repeatedly but I feel like I'd have a mental breakdown if I listened Black Dress nonstop, but I guess that's just me.

[Digiwon]

I dislike the idea of having a "bias" in kpop even if I obviously have some favorite members. I just don't know what's the point of having a "bias" and why should it matter. I may have a softer spot for one or another than the others, but that's it. I can't stan if I don't like all members, and I don't think my favorites are more special than the others because of that, or that having this bias or that bias says something about my personality. To be fair, I don't really "idolize" my favorite members, I probably just like them more for simple reasons like if they are more similar to me, or too entertaining. The same way I like some people more irl.

 

And tbh, I think kpop fandoms full of akgaes and solo stans are the most boring ones. I don't find that unecessary drama entertaining, and I'm not the type of person to pick details to whine about. Being in a fandom where I can socialize with everyone and we can all talk or laugh about the most random stuff that whatever member did or say and be happy together about each members' achievement is soooo much more fun to me. That being said, I have nothing against solo stans or people who have a bias. I just don't understand why a bias is such a big deal in kpop tbh. Like just bc my favorite food is burger doesn't mean I won't eat pizza... Or chocolate... You know?

[Digiwon]

Açaí is so much better than ice cream

[Digiwon]

What's with this paving the way obsession kpop fans have, especially 2nd gen stans and armys... At the end of the day its all achievements for only one group lol y'all need to chill

[Digiwon]

International kpop fans are judgemental just like korean fans, especially when it comes to looks. It's almost the same, actually. Very often people who criticize details about an idol's appearence, use the terms visual hole, and praise how gorgeous and stunning is their bias while putting others down, are the same ones who criticize korean beauty standards or knetz for being too harsh on someone's look, especially if it's their bias as well lol. That's not surprising since lookism is a big deal in SK and kpop has "visual" as position, something alone that ignites a lot of discussions about who is prettier/more good looking than who. But please, pick a side or miss me with the bullshit. Just because the language is different doesn't mean what you said is less harsh to what a knetz said.

 

Also, not being typically pretty/good looking isn't the end of the world, idk why people make such a big deal of it. Especially because even if you look objectively perfect, someone will still look at you and say you look bland and boring.

Edited February 16, 2019 by Digiwon

[Digiwon]

After thank you next seems like everyone is listening to Ariana Grande but idg the hype about her music or appeal and honestly I won't even try.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Digiwon