[Video] An alternative perspective on racism and political ideology (Liberals v. Conservatives)

[Senpie]

I hate to play the race card and I don't want anyone starting any race bullshit, but I thought this video provides a really interesting alternative look at "racism" than one commonly held.

 

I don't think you delineate between the two political groups just on these very simple differences though.

 

I think racism and political orientations can be separated, in that both groups have people who are racists (whether the people themselves know it or not), and those who are not.

 

 

 

PS. didn't put the video title because that might start a huge fight.

[DocumentaLy]

Well, I don't see Democrats trying to block voting rights...

[hyoyeon's lines in check]

Well, I don't see Democrats trying to block voting rights...

 

Of course Democrats would believe only minorities are incapable of getting an ID.

[Senpie]

Well, I don't see Democrats trying to block voting rights...

3:36

[DocumentaLy]

Of course Democrats would believe only minorities are incapable of getting an ID.

 

The reason they want IDs is supposed to stop voter fraud but where are the cases of voter fraud? And when do people really use an ID? I only use mine to go to bars.

3:36

 

I answered it above.

[Arsene Lupin]

video was good till it became biased last twenty seconds

[DocumentaLy]

To be honest, the first thing that comes to mind when watching this is "coon ass Uncle Tom." A number of black people such as himself are divorced from the realities of Black America and think that because they're black and doing fine, the rest of the race can do the same. He's too damn old to be that naive. I feel as if a lot of black people had this view a few years ago, but it's becoming less and less of a thing. Black people are becoming more and more aware of the realities of this country.

[hyoyeon's lines in check]

The reason they want IDs is supposed to stop voter fraud but where are the cases of voter fraud? And when do people really use an ID? I only use mine to go to bars.

 

 

I answered it above.

 

Fraud is inherently unmeasurable yet estimates show it does exist even if it's not on a widespread level. The point stands that IDs should have always been enforced from the beginning to help better secure the legality and fairness of voting.

 

I need an ID all the time. To drive, to get on my university shuttle, to use my credit card, to use my debit card, for alcohol, whenever I open a bank account, job applications, getting a cell phone, buying a rated-M video game. I couldn't even return a USB charger to Best Buy the other day without them taking my ID and scanning it.

God forbid we actually require IDs on things that actually shape the outcome of the country.

Plus the whole IDs are racist argument falls apart when you realize that the elderly - some of conservatives' biggest supporters - are among the least likely to have an ID.

[sane]

There are good and bad eggs among both camps.

 

 

Regardless of agenda, this video is completely correct about affirmative action though. It may or may not have been beneficial in the beginning, but at this point it's become extremely apparent that it does much more harm than good.

[Dandelion Wine]

Of course Democrats would believe only minorities are incapable of getting an ID.

 

Well, I don't see Democrats trying to block voting rights...

 

I found something that might be of interest and add some understanding to the voter ID issue (whether or not it addresses either of what you guys are saying, it's good background for people who may be unfamilar with this nonetheless):

 

Minorities are less likely to have driver’s licenses because they are more likely to be poor and to live in urban areas. If you can’t afford a car, or if you don’t need one because you take the bus or subway, you are less likely to have a driver’s license. Students are less likely to have driver’s licenses for the same reasons (plus the fact that they can sometimes rely on student IDs, and may just have not gotten around to getting a driver’s license yet). Moreover, minorities may be more likely to have lost their driver’s licenses: The Wisconsin study found that an estimated 8 percent of Hispanic adults and 17 percent of African-American adults had no current license but had a recent suspension or revocation. Almost half of suspended driver’s licenses were due to failure to pay outstanding fines, which may explain why poor people are less likely to have licenses.

 

Driver’s licenses are not the only accepted forms of identification, but minorities may face extra challenges in securing other legally valid IDs. Passports, military IDs, and other government-issued photo ID are generally accepted, and some states accept student ID cards from state universities. Texas accepts concealed-weapons licenses, but New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice points out that African-Americans are also less likely to have these concealed-gun permits. For voters who need to secure a valid ID, tracking down the necessary documents—such as a birth certificate and social security card—can take time and money, and the Brennan Center additionally reports that many voting centers are far away from minority voters and are rarely open. Minorities also move from state to state more frequently, which makes meeting varying requirements for documentation more difficult, and Hispanics often use different naming customs, which can make for additional confusion at the DMV or voting booth. Additionally, the Brennan Center suggests thatminority voters are more likely to be carded at the polls.

 

Of course, minority voters aren’t the only group likely to be disenfranchised. Seniors, for example, are also less likely to drive. Academic studies suggest that voter ID laws do probably reduce turnout, both among Democrats and Republicans, but not by more than about 2 percent.

 

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[Senpie]

video was good till it became biased last twenty seconds

He was pushing his view, yes.

 

But that was his opinion that he was trying to back up his point throughout the video. Probably jumping the gun a bit (he could have said both groups have their racists, or no group is free of racism, or not to bundle race with political orientations), but eh.

 

Anyway, i thought it made an interesting point, and provided an alternative perspective.

[DocumentaLy]

Fraud is inherently unmeasurable yet estimates show it does exist even if it's not on a widespread level. The point stands that IDs should have always been enforced from the beginning to help better secure the legality and fairness of voting.

 

I need an ID all the time. To drive, to get on my university shuttle, to use my credit card, to use my debit card, for alcohol, whenever I open a bank account, job applications, getting a cell phone, buying a rated-M video game. I couldn't even return a USB charger to Best Buy the other day without them taking my ID and scanning it.

God forbid we actually require IDs on things that actually shape the outcome of the country.

Plus the whole IDs are racist argument falls apart when you realize that the elderly - some of conservatives' biggest supporters - are among the least likely to have an ID.

 

So let's make laws to get rid of fraud when it's not even an issue? That makes sense...

 

That sucks for you that you need an ID to do all that.

 

Actually the young, the poor, and people of color are least like to have IDs.

[camelliabloom]

Liberals and logic...they just don't go together.

[Prime Ham]

Don't go with school vouchers, it's a really harmful system.

[mgl]

Wait, what? You don't need IDs to vote?

Here we pretty much have to carry our IDs with us all the time. Even when walking down the street, if for some reason the police asks us our ID and don't have it on us, the police can take us to the precinct to get identified.

 

Anyway, both sides seem to have racist policies and members, the difference is that some come under the form of "positive" discrimination.

[DocumentaLy]

Wait, what? You don't need IDs to vote?

Here we pretty much have to carry our IDs with us all the time. Even when walking down the street, if for some reason the police asks us our ID and don't have it on us, the police can take us to the precinct to get identified.

 

Anyway, both sides seem to have racist policies and members, the difference is that some come under the form of "positive" discrimination.

 

Why would the police stop you on the street randomly? That's a big issue here and there have been lawsuits for that.

[haganemix]

Liberals and logic...they just don't go together.

Solid post.

Would read again.

[Daseot]

I hadn't known of 'affirmative action' until this video. It seems to tread on the same waters of gender quotas for female politicians in the U.K; which seems to be in short of supply over there.

 

This video points out that our problem with regulating a social construct like racism, by using policies/quotas to mend this gap, isn't doing any major favours for African American communities. However, this man doesn't address the broader spectrum of racism in the U.S and how this manifests in workplaces/schools where a higher prevalence of racial stigma has led to measurable disparities. He assumes the role of devil's advocate whilst ending with a 'look at yourselves in the mirror' send off to the political left. He does what he can in five minutes, but not enough. 

[mgl]

Why would the police stop you on the street randomly? That's a big issue here and there have been lawsuits for that.

 

Only if they think you're being suspicious of something so it's not random. There have been cases of a fight or something illegal going on, and you were around but not involved, you may still be asked to present ID.

We really don't have lawsuit culture here. It takes some serious shit for someone to resort to one.

Either way, ID is mandatory for anyone over 6yo. If you get stopped by the police while driving, often you'll be asked for driver's licence and ID, which here are two separate things.