DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 There have been several conversations about this recently so I'm just taking it head on right now. I'm not talking about how some people say that listening to Japanese music internationally was a trend of last decade that has been replaced about KPop. I'm talking about people who are still thinking that the acts and the industry of 10 - 15 years ago is the same as today. People who are still stuck in the Ayu/Kuu/Namie/Utada bubble. People who still think visual kei is the main type of Japanese rock music. People who swear by Oricon only. Why have these people not moved on with the times? Especially when it's so much easier to navigate the scene now than it was years ago? Internationally, this scene has been heavily internet-based and the internet of 10 - 15 years ago is nothing like it is now. For the record, I'm not bashing anyone. I'm not saying "OMG you listen to Koda Kumi, how 2006 of you..." Listen to her still! What I'm saying is, why are you still naming her as one of the top females of today and one of the top acts of today, when none of this has been true for years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L30 1,370 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 because japanese music in the past is too good to be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 because japanese music in the past is too good to be true But how do you know if you don't listen to what is around today, except for the acts you knew in the past? Is it just nostalgia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil4life 3,270 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 because japanese music in the past is too good to be true AMEN someone send me back into time in Japan in the 90s when artists like SPEED, Ami Suzuki, globe, Seiko Matsuda, were EVERYTHING and Ayu was releasing her 1st album and i'll gladly offer my soul as sacrifice. i mean i love some new acts of today like Perfume, Ikimono gakari, sakanaction,etc but even Japanese people i meet say i know more about Jpop history dating back to the 80s then the average Japanese person. im a 90s kid so naturally with my obsession growing up with Britney, Mariah, etc i am highly attracted to Jpop of the 90s i didnt grow up in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimchi 19,921 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 People are just too nostalgic or lazy. I honestly only follow a few acts that haven't had their prime 10 years ago and I've been too lazy to check for new acts tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Property of Goddess Irene 9,760 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 There have been several conversations about this recently so I'm just taking it head on right now. I'm not talking about how some people say that listening to Japanese music internationally was a trend of last decade that has been replaced about KPop. I'm talking about people who are still thinking that the acts and the industry of 10 - 15 years ago is the same as today. People who are still stuck in the Ayu/Kuu/Namie/Utada bubble. People who still think visual kei is the main type of Japanese rock music. People who swear by Oricon only. Why have these people not moved on with the times? Especially when it's so much easier to navigate the scene now than it was years ago? Internationally, this scene has been heavily internet-based and the internet of 10 - 15 years ago is nothing like it is now. For the record, I'm not bashing anyone. I'm not saying "OMG you listen to Koda Kumi, how 2006 of you..." Listen to her still! What I'm saying is, why are you still naming her as one of the top females of today and one of the top acts of today, when none of this has been true for years? I'm one of those people. The only two jpop songs I have are from SPEED and Puffy Amy Yumi. And that's probably because I outgrew jpop. I see it something from my childhood so if I tried to go with the contemporary things it would be like an adult still trying to check out kids' things. While I got into kpop more when I was already an adult 15 years ago. Same principle applies to anime. I don't know anything else besides the overly hyped shows like Naruto, Bleach and Attack on Titan, and I stopped watching anime completely 7 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palechibi 2,748 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 people enjoy living in the past i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 I'm one of those people. The only two jpop songs I have are from SPEED and Puffy Amy Yumi. And that's probably because I outgrew jpop. I see it something from my childhood so if I tried to go with the contemporary things it would be like an adult still trying to check out kids' things. The funny thing is that if anything, the industry is going in a more adult direction. Most of the top acts now are over 30, even the idols. Actually I would revise that and say over 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Property of Goddess Irene 9,760 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 The funny thing is that if anything, the industry is going in a more adult direction. Most of the top acts now are over 30, even the idols. Actually I would revise that and say over 40. And tbh Japanese visuals just don't appeal to me. Some may have nice bodies and I might check that out, but I wouldn't bother to know the idols, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 And tbh Japanese visuals just don't appeal to me. Some may have nice bodies and I might check that out, but I wouldn't bother to know the idols, etc. Why are you talking about visuals when we're discussing music? That's a problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Property of Goddess Irene 9,760 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Why are you talking about visuals when we're discussing music? That's a problem... That's the effect kpop had on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 That's the effect kpop had on me. This isn't KPop though... Do you have this issue with Western music too? Like if I went by visuals, I'd be all KPop, but the music doesn't do anything for me. I can't see a visual when I'm listening to music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Property of Goddess Irene 9,760 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 This isn't KPop though... Do you have this issue with Western music too? Like if I went by visuals, I'd be all KPop, but the music doesn't do anything for me. I can't see a visual when I'm listening to music. I never cared much for Western music, and don't care about their visuals. I just saved a few hit songs but I never went deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 I never cared much for Western music, and don't care about their visuals. I just saved a few hit songs but I never went deep. So you're a fan of visuals, as opposed to a fan of music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondandlime 6,854 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I'm one of those people. The only two jpop songs I have are from SPEED and Puffy Amy Yumi. And that's probably because I outgrew jpop. I see it something from my childhood so if I tried to go with the contemporary things it would be like an adult still trying to check out kids' things. While I got into kpop more when I was already an adult 15 years ago. Same principle applies to anime. I don't know anything else besides the overly hyped shows like Naruto, Bleach and Attack on Titan, and I stopped watching anime completely 7 years ago. How old are you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Property of Goddess Irene 9,760 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 So you're a fan of visuals, as opposed to a fan of music? Of both, more of visuals now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 Of both, more of visuals now. I'm kinda lost as to why you're in this conversation to be honest... I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think being a fan of mainly visuals in terms of music is a sign of immaturity. It's more like you're looking for fap material than an audial experience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondandlime 6,854 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 I'm kinda lost as to why you're in this conversation to be honest... I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think being a fan of mainly visuals in terms of music is a sign of immaturity. It's more like you're looking for fap material than an audial experience... "How dare you prefer nice things for your eyes compared to nice things for your ears!11" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salieri 4,473 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 AMEN someone send me back into time in Japan in the 90s when artists like SPEED, Ami Suzuki, globe, Seiko Matsuda, were EVERYTHING and Ayu was releasing her 1st album and i'll gladly offer my soul as sacrifice. i mean i love some new acts of today like Perfume, Ikimono gakari, sakanaction,etc but even Japanese people i meet say i know more about Jpop history dating back to the 80s then the average Japanese person. im a 90s kid so naturally with my obsession growing up with Britney, Mariah, etc i am highly attracted to Jpop of the 90s i didnt grow up in. If you can send me back in time I'll love you forever. These new songs aren't doing that well for me personally. I'm just getting bored by the second :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 "How dare you prefer nice things for your eyes compared to nice things for your ears!11" We're talking about music though, sweetpea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Property of Goddess Irene 9,760 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Japan has its idols, same principle as kpop, just eye candy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondandlime 6,854 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 We're talking about music though, sweetpea... Performance and visual aspects have always been a large part of music though. It's not bad or shameful if you prefer to listen to your classical music accompanied by a high production ballet performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
愛��る 627 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 AMEN someone send me back into time in Japan in the 90s when artists like SPEED, Ami Suzuki, globe, Seiko Matsuda, were EVERYTHING and Ayu was releasing her 1st album and i'll gladly offer my soul as sacrifice. i mean i love some new acts of today like Perfume, Ikimono gakari, sakanaction,etc but even Japanese people i meet say i know more about Jpop history dating back to the 80s then the average Japanese person. im a 90s kid so naturally with my obsession growing up with Britney, Mariah, etc i am highly attracted to Jpop of the 90s i didnt grow up in. Perfume isn't new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocumentaLy 6,033 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 Japan has its idols, same principle as kpop, just eye candy. But Japan has more than idols, which you clearly forgot. Performance and visual aspects have always been a large part of music though. It's not bad or shameful if you prefer to listen to your classical music accompanied by a high production ballet performance. I love how you're saying this as if he didn't mean tits and ass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondandlime 6,854 Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 But Japan has more than idols, which you clearly forgot. I love how you're saying this as if he didn't mean tits and ass... Teshub was mostly expressing dissatisfaction with Japanese idols' faces. Ballerinas are expected to have nice looking faces too (and bodies of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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