____shawnee 4,118 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 When do you think it's appropriate for an idol to leave their group? I know lots of people feel angry towards JYJ because they felt they betrayed HoMin. There are other examples as well in which an idol was criticized for leaving or considering leaving their group. Should they do as they feel, or should they stick it out, since they made a commitment to the company and to the members? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denizen mars 5,911 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 At the end of the day, being an artist signed to a particular company is just a job, even if emotional ties are created at the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaco 53 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 if they want to leave, they should tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abraa 1,118 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Do what they feel, but consider the feelings of others as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero Kim Jaejoong 962 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 But no one gives a damn JYJ left. They just were upset about JYJ lying and saying they were still friends with Yunho and Changmin than change their words around and said they were not talking to Yunho and Changmin. JYJ was using songs and false hope to stir shit up between fans rather than admitting they had no intention of going back. That is why people were pissed at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyboojae 675 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 well I think that leaving the group is the last option for idols... when they can't reach a settlement with the company/members.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penis Intolerant 861 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 off-topic but how dare u raise my hopes in thinking HyoTae actually did a duet >:( tbh, I've wondered if Hangeng & JYJ didn't leave SMent, would their idols be treated as nicely by the company as they are now? I have mixed feelings on this whole "betrayal" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voldemin 541 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Let's compare this with a realistic situation Companies = Third Reich, Germany Artists who feel unwelcomed = Jews If they leave they won't get killed/ if they leave they might get better treatment If they don't leave they will try to adapt themselves/ the jews who stayed and in the end got killed If they can't leave because they suck and are stucked to a contract.. they will get caught + punished/ they lose against their company in court or something unfavourable outcome .. Basic situations Of course it's often more complicated but let's keep it basic for the not so intelligent users here It's their decision they can view the advantages and disadvantages and at the end of the day they can decide what they want to do or not do They should just be ready to take responsibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fartsniffer 1,023 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 it's personal. everyone has different loyalty values and tolerance levels. i generally dont blame idols for leaving a group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Han한 1,293 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 They should stay for as long as it suits their needs, basically. If they outgrow the company or group, then they should be free to leave. (as long as their contract allows them to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmn 2,622 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 As artists they are not working for a company, they are working WITH a company. Something which fans have a very difficult time to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ PD Hercule Poirot ~ 1,868 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 If they feel like leaving, they should do so. As long as its done amiably as in both company and the rest of the members are fine with it, then it's fine. This way, there won't be any hard feelings/misunderstandings for group & com. Issues such as leaving a group before contract expiry date should be discussed by all involved behind closed door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____shawnee 4,118 Posted August 13, 2013 Author Share Posted August 13, 2013 But no one gives a damn JYJ left. They just were upset about JYJ lying and saying they were still friends with Yunho and Changmin than change their words around and said they were not talking to Yunho and Changmin. JYJ was using songs and false hope to stir shit up between fans rather than admitting they had no intention of going back. That is why people were pissed at them. I wouldn't go as far to say no one gives a damn but alright, I didn't know that. Thanks for clearing it up. off-topic but how dare u raise my hopes in thinking HyoTae actually did a duet >:( tbh, I've wondered if Hangeng & JYJ didn't leave SMent, would their idols be treated as nicely by the company as they are now? I have mixed feelings on this whole "betrayal" thing. LOL in my mind, their souls did a duet. And yeah I've wondered that too. It might actually have been a healthy thing for the company. Waiting for the T-ara members to rebel, although they're probably too afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tan 421 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Artists have contract with the company, their obligation is to not breach the contract. They can only leave/stop honoring the contract if and only if A) there is a mutual agreement on their decision B) battle it out through laws . Leaving the group through mutual agreement and laws yield the same result. The only problem is one is more publicized and messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitargeekette 5,960 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Just my opinion on idols leaving their groups: If you are any kind of homosapien, as much as it is "just a job" and you simply signed a contract, after working with someone in a group for a while, you develop bonds, you learn about circumstances of other members, you share dreams etc. If you just decide..."this isn't for me" and just up and leave regardless of how it affects the rest of the group, it speaks VOLUMES about your character as a person. If there are serious things going on affecting your well being (eg. Hangeng), I can understand you leaving and the other members should understand...but if it's just a case where you just feel "tired of this"/"want to try something new", then I consider that plain selfish and it shows a lack of commitment, loyalty and just the lack of ability to stick anything out. If you knew you'd eventually get tired, or wouldn't be able to face some challenges in that industry, don't enter in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elitsa 750 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Idols are people too and they have the right to make decisions about their work enviroment and their future just like the rest of us. Also fans will be nice to stop playing 'gods' for a while and focus on their favourites' music. That's how i feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seulo 4,828 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Artists have contract with the company, their obligation is to not breach the contract. They can only leave/stop honoring the contract if and only if A) there is a mutual agreement on their decision B) battle it out through laws . Leaving the group through mutual agreement and laws yield the same result. The only problem is one is more publicized and messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeto_Pin 306 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I think work in general should be viewed as a 'I'll scratch your back, you scratch my back' type situation. Because the minute you wear out your usefulness you will be gone, expect it. They may pat you on the back and thank you for your time, however if they don't need you it's good-bye, so long, have a good life. Are they going to take your feelings into consideration? That 'loyalty'? No, not if the bottom line doesn't support it. So, I don't think betray is the right word for it. lol semantics I know... but still. I feel that when you start working, you start with expectations and the more experience you get, you realize that some things are what you thought and other times they aren't. I think idols leaving companies is not some sort of off the cuff decision. It will effect you and everyone around you and who better understands the system then those that are actually a part of it? Especially as we can see how the industry is, it's like fatal attraction. You signed a contract, you didn't sell your soul. As of right now, we're all third parties so of course it's easy to judge people for their decisions but if they felt unsatisfied and could not find a happy medium with their company, then in some cases it might be best to go your separate ways. Do what you have to do is all I can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gayness 2,400 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 if they want to leave, they should tbh i love ur sigg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creampuff 5,745 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I think that artist shouldn't breach a contract unless it is for basic human rights or in this case, employee rights. The korean music industry now is pretty much like what hollywood was during 1920's-1960's (Hollywood Studio System & Star System) wherein the the artists are employees of the company. Now, for the JYJ thing, there has always been three sides to the story. JYJ's side, TVXQ's side and the truth. We peasants don't know the truth and can't act like we know the truth. What we all have are the court findings and decisions. The fact that the court rulled in favor of Hangang and allowed JYJ to leave against a super power and the fact that as a result, contracts of all companies are forced to be changed tells us that there really must have been something wrong contract wise. off-topic but how dare u raise my hopes in thinking HyoTae actually did a duet >:( tbh, I've wondered if Hangeng & JYJ didn't leave SMent, would their idols be treated as nicely by the company as they are now? I have mixed feelings on this whole "betrayal" thing. No they won't be. I highly doubt it. JYJ and Hangeng triggered the whole contract change in the industry. Artists have contract with the company, their obligation is to not breach the contract. They can only leave/stop honoring the contract if and only if A) there is a mutual agreement on their decision B) battle it out through laws. Leaving the group through mutual agreement and laws yield the same result. The only problem is one is more publicized and messy. And that's what JYJ and Hangeng did. They have legal CAUSE OF ACTION to take it up to the court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaco 53 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 i love ur sigg its so cute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abraa 1,118 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 And yeah I've wondered that too. It might actually have been a healthy thing for the company. Waiting for the T-ara members to rebel, although they're probably too afraid. Davichi did, their contracys expired and they waited a while before signing new ones. It hasn't changed the situation for CCM's idol groups though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicboxprincess 2,183 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 But no one gives a damn JYJ left. They just were upset about JYJ lying and saying they were still friends with Yunho and Changmin than change their words around and said they were not talking to Yunho and Changmin. JYJ was using songs and false hope to stir shit up between fans rather than admitting they had no intention of going back. That is why people were pissed at them. Oh Symphony, your comments made me cringe yet again. I just had to log back in and reply. Props to that. When do you think it's appropriate for an idol to leave their group? I know lots of people feel angry towards JYJ because they felt they betrayed HoMin. There are other examples as well in which an idol was criticized for leaving or considering leaving their group. Should they do as they feel, or should they stick it out, since they made a commitment to the company and to the members? No actually, the public of SK actually sided with JYJ when it comes to JYJ vs SM showdown. The only people getting angry at the 3 are 2VXQ's fans, and tbh 2VXQ are also getting the same amount of hate from JYJ fans. Maybe there are less JYJ fans here, so you don't really see it. Reminds me of this one vid I saw just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero Kim Jaejoong 962 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Oh Symphony, your comments made me cringe yet again. I just had to log back in and reply. Props toThanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candykiss 2,124 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I think idols shouldn't leave their company and breach their contract unless they were treated inhumanely or morally wrong If it gets tiring and complicated at least they have their friends ie group members to give support Being an idol is tough and if they manage to get through trainee life and finally debut they should know what they are getting themselves into The problem with JYJ is they didn't wait for their contracts to be finished before leaving If they left SM when their contracts ended they wouldn't have gone through such a long legal battle and be boycotted Ultimately there are some unfair consequences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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