BetweenYourThighs 2,958 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Shitty title, but anywho. Here's an agenda, that sort of bugged me for awhile now. I'm still dumbfounded at how people can conclude bullying or even racism in EXO. I'm not trying to justify shit here but honest to God some of the conclusions people make, make it sound like they live a perfect life with their friends and family. Well, friends are family in many contexts but anywho. Consider this;They are guys who have lived together, practically half their lives for some of them. They share everything together whether it being physical or mental problems. And to top that of they work together. How fucking closer can you get? They see each other EVERY DAY. They are bound to act like a family, somehow. Developing a familiar bond that in many cases leds to being extremely casual towards one another. Like showing traits of them being annoyed at each other, loving each other, hating each other, worrying for each other and so on. I don't want to make this in to a drama but I hope you follow. For the love of whatever you believe in, have you never pushed or even glared at your siblings before. Sweared at them 'till they got to another galaxy, or even sneaked some beatings in on them in public. So don't fucking act perfect. Yes, racism/bullying exists and only they know how far their relations has reached to get to that point, but in terms of gifs like these - are we only to look at them as stars without fault and no 'normal' brotherly behaviour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*lesigh* 6,759 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I've never pushed or glared at my sister like that before, especially in public. Tao clearly looks annoyed with Baekhyun's snooping... There's a clear distance between silly play-fighting and physical aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
all-them-pies 654 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 wheres the first gif from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkie 5,345 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Idk why, but people here are entitled to believe, that they know idols and their feelings better than idols themselves and can judge someone's relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ღChoco 2,864 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I gave up trying to figure out what the interactions between exo meant. Especially with all the gifs of them hitting each other or whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenYourThighs 2,958 Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 wheres the first gif from Got that one from a users signature. But both the top and bottom one are from the same performance. I just don't remember which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faye사랑 896 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I really don't understand why people think this is bullying? Me and my brother have done worse, fk even me and my boyfriend play fight worse than this. And Tao is smiling in the 2nd gif, I don't think he is getting bullied. People just need to chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beel 11 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I think and have thought for a very long time that idols are held to a very high standard, especially in Korea, and that causes us to often forget that they are people too. Conflicts and friction within groups is normal, because as the OP points out, people who are so close have a nearly familial bond. I don't know much about the backstory between them, but I don't see anything wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallah 8,441 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 ....you don't think bullying and prejudice also exist in families? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abra 40,910 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Afaik the only thing you can truly call racist out of all exo members' statements is that predebut video of Kai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomatosoup 276 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 That doesn't make it okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenYourThighs 2,958 Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 ....you don't think bullying and prejudice also exist in families? There's also issues like embarrassment, guilt, power, shame, abusive relationships, control, domination, intimidation, manipulation etc in families by serial sociopaths and psychopaths. But that's not the main focus for me in this thread. It's solely based on differentiating between when to say something is bullying and when it's of more 'normal' behaviourism. The familial bond just allows me to venture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suga's GF 3,185 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 tbh if u have a best friend and you're saying they've never pissed you off, you're lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickyGolightly 5,970 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 This is the same way I feel, I can't speak for other but me and my sister fuss and fight all the time publicly and privately, me and my family in general tease and jab each other all the time, my family is full of jokers but all of this comes out of a place of love we are all close and care about each other. Personally I've also been bullied in school and I can tell you there is very much a difference between the two. I think fans have this idea that they know their bias better than the people around them, and in most cases their dead wrong. Honestly we'll never truly know much about them, We're just outside viewers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suga's GF 3,185 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 There's also issues like embarrassment, guilt, power, shame, abusive relationships, control, domination, intimidation, manipulation etc in families by serial sociopaths and psychopaths. But that's not the main focus for me in this thread. It's solely based on differentiating between when to say something is bullying and when it's of more 'normal' behaviourism. The familial bond just allows me to venture. i don't think it's what you're implying but emotional abuse in families isn't just limited to sociopaths or psychopaths. i feel like it's quite common even when the person in question doesn't have any mental illnesses. but ya that's my two cents. i hope i didn't sound rude w this btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallah 8,441 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 There's also issues like embarrassment, guilt, power, shame, abusive relationships, control, domination, intimidation, manipulation etc in families by serial sociopaths and psychopaths. But that's not the main focus for me in this thread. It's solely based on differentiating between when to say something is bullying and when it's of more 'normal' behaviourism. The familial bond just allows me to venture. but there's no way for any of us to determine that as outsiders. a lot of people will look at their interactions and go, "oh, well, my family and friends and i do that too. they're obviously close." and then other people will look at them and go, "i would never do that to one of my friends! they're clearly bullying him." whose right? there's no way to tell. we can talk about it all day but until one of them comes out and says, "i was bullied" or "i was a bully," we'll never know, and i think it's a little misguided for people to try to argue one side or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenYourThighs 2,958 Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 i don't think it's what you're implying but emotional abuse in families isn't just limited to sociopaths or psychopaths. i feel like it's quite common even when the person in question doesn't have any mental illnesses. but ya that's my two cents. i hope i didn't sound rude w this btw. True. I'm only talking about a personal experience in this case as I haven't come across of someone with a mental record being in for questioning regarding this. But yes, it isn't limited to the followings. No, it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die pony die 3,866 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Shitty title, but anywho. Here's an agenda, that sort of bugged me for awhile now. I'm still dumbfounded at how people can conclude bullying or even racism in EXO. I'm not trying to justify shit here but honest to God some of the conclusions people make, make it sound like they live a perfect life with their friends and family. Well, friends are family in many contexts but anywho. Consider this;They are guys who have lived together, practically half their lives for some of them. They share everything together whether it being physical or mental problems. And to top that of they work together. How fucking closer can you get? They see each other EVERY DAY. They are bound to act like a family, somehow. Developing a familiar bond that in many cases leds to being extremely casual towards one another. Like showing traits of them being annoyed at each other, loving each other, hating each other, worrying for each other and so on. I don't want to make this in to a drama but I hope you follow. For the love of whatever you believe in, have you never pushed or even glared at your siblings before. Sweared at them 'till they got to another galaxy, or even sneaked some beatings in on them in public. So don't fucking act perfect. Yes, racism/bullying exists and only they know how far their relations has reached to get to that point, but in terms of gifs like these - are we only to look at them as stars without fault and no 'normal' brotherly behaviour? idgaf about exo but i'm sure i could compile gifs of every member of my bias group "bullying" another member if i wanted to lol it all comes down to who do you wanna make look like the devil and who do you wanna make look like the victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenYourThighs 2,958 Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 but there's no way for any of us to determine that as outsiders. a lot of people will look at their interactions and go, "oh, well, my family and friends and i do that too. they're obviously close." and then other people will look at them and go, "i would never do that to one of my friends! they're clearly bullying him." whose right? there's no way to tell. we can talk about it all day but until one of them comes out and says, "i was bullied" or "i was a bully," we'll never know, and i think it's a little misguided for people to try to argue one side or the other. Point taken. Again the voyeur is to determine but i'm merely up for understanding where this line is to go. I'm confused at how the logic never comes to play, even with the amount of material we're brought, Like the two gifs of when being a playfull fight and the other what seems to be aggressiv in many ways. There are always 3 sides to every story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizu 6,868 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 "Get off me bish" The second gif was part of a longer one. Tao pushed Baekhyun looking all serious, so Baekhyun pushed him back and Tao smiled, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetweenYourThighs 2,958 Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 "Get off me bish" The second gif was part of a longer one. Tao pushed Baekhyun looking all serious, so Baekhyun pushed him back and Tao smiled, lol. Any chance you remember the video the gifs are from. I'm on by phone and everything is slow for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stale_cereal 1,910 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 People just take everything so seriously. And in gifs things usually look magnified than they really are. I think people who are really close like family and best friends joke around and do these kind of actions often. The main thing is: 1. Every move they make is magnified/they are always being watched . 2. They have a crazy ass large fandom that gets offended easily. 3. Everyone has their faves, so if someone shits on their fave even if it's "joking" people will still get pissed off about it and make it a bigger issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpea95 719 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 This is the full video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hizu 6,868 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 BaekTao relationship . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Shining Diamond~ 3,000 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I don't know about most other idols, but in the case of BaekTao, I think they have always been close. They play around all the time, in my eyes, they're like brothers. This time Baek is the annoying little brother Anyway, I agree. I don't see any bullying here (or in Exo for the matter), plus, who actually bullies someone in public like that? Some jokes that some members make aren't the nicest, but I doubt they mean any real harm. I've given up getting mad/annoyed at some members (BaekYeol in particular), because it's between them and not me. They all seem close enough to deal with their own shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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