SAHYT 265 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 The program Unpretty Rapstar brought into light various underground hip hop stars along with few forgotten faces like Tymee and Jessi. Despite all its contestants, Jimin of AOA seems to be harshly criticized by the viewers online. The following is a Korean op-ed written by Mydaily reporter Jeon Won that has been directly translated by Koreaboo. Jimin of AOA would be more familiar with the title of AOA’s leader rather than a rapper. This is due to her rapping techniques and capabilities not being proven yet as an idol rapper. However, in an attempt to prove herself, she presents herself on the show Unpretty Rapstar, receiving many good comments from professionals in the field. However, despite her efforts, Jimin is still being harshly criticized. Mentions of her suitability in the show and her skills lacking make up about 90% of the program’s online viewer’s board. The flame just got greater and hotter as the semi-finals between Jimin and Cheetah took place on the 19th. Despite Jimin’s voice being unique, the viewers brought up the argument that her voice had little relation to the performance itself. Some comments included, “it feels like the audience voters at the filming set were all hired.†or “San E is definitely favoring Jimin.†Explanations were also made towards these comments. San E had previously mentioned about the editing of the program. He mentions, “despite the fact that I praise other rappers, the editors always edit those clips out and leave Jimin’s part only.†This statement can mean the judges are doing their best to bring a justified and fair verdict. Some may remember other rappers not approving of Jimin at the beginning of the show since she was an idol. This would be true to those who criticize her until now. It also seems true that many people judged Jimin before listening to her songs just because she is an idol. In fact, many viewers have said that Jimin was not appropriate for the show since she had a weaker image compared to the others. Taking in the comments, Jimin began using coarse language in her rap and bringing a stronger image to the performances only to find the viewers now criticizing her for being too crude. During the semi-finals, it seemed unfair for some viewers that Jimin had done a collaboration with IRON since Jimin had mainly danced while IRON rapped. However, the crowd had loved the performance. In addition, there was no rule that prevented her from doing such a collaboration. It is difficult to judge the right from wrong in the case of Jimin’s harsh comments, but the viewers should also think about listening to the performances without any standards set in their minds. source: http://www.koreaboo.com/news/kop-ed-possible-reasons-behind-jimin-harshly-criticized/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kissxkiss_baby 5,756 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Every time I hear something about Unpretty Rapstar Jimin's name is sure to follow! Get that relevancy Jimin! #AO SLAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchcraft 1,377 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Girl was supposed to talk about her LIFE and personal issues, and she went on , singing about puss puss and dancing on stage instead of legit rapping about something meaningful like the other contestants Possible reasons behind jimin being harshly criticized: Despite her skills not being up to par with the other girls, she wins challenges based on - i have no idea what- The editing part about San E could be true. PD's are fickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EunB's Angel 252 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Let me guess: people are pressed because of Jimin's song slaying the charts? Love her or hate her, you can't deny that Jimin can rap. EDIT: Whoops I didn't read the article properly, sorry if I offended anyone with my comment above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimo 4,045 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 They edited the show to look like everything was in Jimins favor just to make it more juicy, and they succeded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willipad 2,723 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 They hate us cos they anus ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fouettes 100 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I still don't see anything wrong with what San E did, edited or not. His cheers for Jimin and his judgement on their skills are separate. Besides him, other judges also had good things to say about Jimin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiz 1,275 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 korea needs more reporter and article writer like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mguemon 1,000 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I still don't see anything wrong with what San E did, edited or not. His cheers for Jimin and his judgement on their skills are separate. Besides him, other judges also had good things to say about Jimin. Are you sure there is nothing wrong with what San E did? From the beginning of the show claiming that Jimin didn't need to be on the show because she was already popular. That automatically had a few people who were already convinced she didn't belong on the show agree with him. Plus whether it was the Mnet PD's fault or not, he showed some blatant favoritism towards Jimin with his words. No one forced him to say them. Calling her a pretty rapstar, making remarks about him especially trying to protect Jimin instead of treating her as he did all the others. Inferring many times whether as a joke or truth that he was interested in Jimin romantically. I am sure he thought it was going to be funny, not even sure why he did. Not in a competition and not in an environment where women are competing for the big prize That was never going to fly. No wonder any judgement, praise or critic he may have given to Jimin or any other contestants would be put into question. I pray if San E comes back next season that he changes his approach to hosting and judging the show. No judge nor host should show this type of blatant bias towards a contestant. First of all a judge can't also be a host that actually is the real problem here LOL But whoever came up with UR didn't take the time to really think about what they were going for And decided to wing it as the show progressed and became popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mendoan 8,110 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 But puss is my Jam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imideal( ͡°ᴥ ͡° ʋ) 2,497 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 But puss is my Jam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUKΞWΔRM 2,261 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 what is with MNET and their "evil editing" -- it's like they love doing that >> and stirring up unnecessary drama and controversy, probably just to get more views...and essentially MONEY. if they did edit San E's remarks to only praise Jimin - well, that's soooo messed up -.-'' whatever Jimin does, she gets hated on -.-'' well, it doesn't matter anyways, ppl still buying and streaming her songs and her songs have topped music charts, so haters can hate ;PP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsinblue 942 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 More level-headed op-eds like this one are needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalia 794 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 what is with MNET and their "evil editing" -- it's like they love doing that >> and stirring up unnecessary drama and controversy, probably just to get more views...and essentially MONEY. if they did edit San E's remarks to only praise Jimin - well, that's soooo messed up -.-'' whatever Jimin does, she gets hated on -.-'' well, it doesn't matter anyways, ppl still buying and streaming her songs and her songs have topped music charts, so haters can hate ;PP HER songs??????? HER lyrics???? Y'all so stupid that isn't even funny anymore. SanE has more credibility than some AOA fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUKΞWΔRM 2,261 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 HER songs??????? HER lyrics???? Y'all so stupid that isn't even funny anymore. SanE has more credibility than some AOA fans i never said whether or not she wrote her lyrics or not. that's a different issue. i was just talking about the hate that she's getting whatever she does and also Mnet's infamous "evil editing." but they are HER songs. it has her name on it. she raps in them. a lot of kpop artists dont write/compose/produce their own songs except for a few exceptions, yet it's still called THEIR song, right? and thanks btw :DD i know i'm not very smart ;PPP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persona 3,222 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Oh well if they haven't got the San E favouritism to pick on anymore they will just make up something new to replace it Girl was supposed to talk about her LIFE and personal issues, and she went on , singing about puss puss and dancing on stage instead of legit rapping about something meaningful like the other contestants Possible reasons behind jimin being harshly criticized: Despite her skills not being up to par with the other girls, she wins challenges based on - i have no idea what- The editing part about San E could be true. PD's are fickle She did talk about her life. She said about being the top madam and she is top in AoA (Which is her life).. She goes to award ceremonies so she drinks champagne and walks red carpets. The only line that came out wrong was where she was talking about stealing Uncles money. It makes sense that she was trying to say a lot of guys buy her songs. But though she stylised it to fit a rap song she didn't word it well. But just about everything else was right. They edited the show to look like everything was in Jimins favor just to make it more juicy, and they succeded Yes but it won't change anything. Even if they decide to back off Jimin because of the editing there are still the other 10 made up things they can use. i never said whether or not she wrote her lyrics or not. that's a different issue. i was just talking about the hate that she's getting whatever she does and also Mnet's infamous "evil editing." but they are HER songs. it has her name on it. she raps in them. a lot of kpop artists dont write/compose/produce their own songs except for a few exceptions, yet it's still called THEIR song, right? and thanks btw :DD i know i'm not very smart ;PPP Yes true, it is a way of phrasing things when we speak about songs. Would be silly is we said "So do you like that song called "song title" and was written by "Name" and sang by "Artist name". No instead we say "have you heard "artists name" new song?" Don't forget some are picking apart Jimin's raps to try and find things to bash so they are trying to do that to others too. Just ignore it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenabean 541 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Oh well if they haven't got the San E favouritism to pick on anymore they will just make up something new to replace it She did talk about her life. She said about being the top madam and she is top in AoA (Which is her life).. She goes to award ceremonies so she drinks champagne and walks red carpets. The only line that came out wrong was where she was talking about stealing Uncles money. It makes sense that she was trying to say a lot of guys buy her songs. But though she stylised it to fit a rap song she didn't word it well. But just about everything else was right. Yes but it won't change anything. Even if they decide to back off Jimin because of the editing there are still the other 10 made up things they can use. Yes true, it is a way of phrasing things when we speak about songs. Would be silly is we said "So do you like that song called "song title" and was written by "Name" and sang by "Artist name". No instead we say "have you heard "artists name" new song?" Don't forget some are picking apart Jimin's raps to try and find things to bash so they are trying to do that to others too. Just ignore it lol The mission was to rap about the "real me" so yes it may have pertained to her lifestyle but it doesn't necessarily talk about her as a person. Have you seen what the other rappers' lyrics had? Cheeta talked about herself and her experience when she was in a coma and her struggles Jessi talked about her hard times (mentioned her past scandal) and how she was going to live her life to the fullest and Jolly V talked about her hardships and how she dropped out of college for music and her inner turmoil tbh I don't care about who is biased to her as long as the results are well deserved also for the song yes it is her song, none of the rappers made their song they all however created their own lyrics, which has been a requirement for the entirety of the show, which is why a lot of people are pissed. People say "well she didn't know what it meant her company just gave it to her" well shit she's supposedly been making all of AoA's rap and her own for most of the show so what the hell Lastly a large portion of the hate is from the contradiction of what she says she wants and what she performed on the show. She said she wants the double standard for idols to stop and for her to be viewed as a rapper well her performance didn't show that at all using dancers, choreography and stage elements like it was a music show a lot of people say that this isn't what a rapper does and she used her "secret weapons" that she has access to from being an idol with a large entertainment company the featuring is whatever since she wasn't the only one to do so w Kisum and Insooni and supposedly 15&'s yerin(?) but even then its still meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persona 3,222 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The mission was to rap about the "real me" so yes it may have pertained to her lifestyle but it doesn't necessarily talk about her as a person. Have you seen what the other rappers' lyrics had? Cheeta talked about herself and her experience when she was in a coma and her struggles Jessi talked about her hard times (mentioned her past scandal) and how she was going to live her life to the fullest and Jolly V talked about her hardships and how she dropped out of college for music and her inner turmoil tbh I don't care about who is biased to her as long as the results are well deserved also for the song yes it is her song, none of the rappers made their song they all however created their own lyrics, which has been a requirement for the entirety of the show, which is why a lot of people are pissed. People say "well she didn't know what it meant her company just gave it to her" well shit she's supposedly been making all of AoA's rap and her own for most of the show so what the hell Lastly a large portion of the hate is from the contradiction of what she says she wants and what she performed on the show. She said she wants the double standard for idols to stop and for her to be viewed as a rapper well her performance didn't show that at all using dancers, choreography and stage elements like it was a music show a lot of people say that this isn't what a rapper does and she used her "secret weapons" that she has access to from being an idol with a large entertainment company the featuring is whatever since she wasn't the only one to do so w Kisum and Insooni and supposedly 15&'s yerin(?) but even then its still meh The point is the rap was about "real me" and as you said the rap may have pertained to her lifestyle but her as a person and her as an idol are one in the same. She made references to her idol life. No one said that wasn't allowed and it had to be personal only. So she wrote about something that did fall in the rules of what was asked of her. As long as she does that is that not the main point. All the rappers can interpret the theme guidelines as they wish as long as they stay within the rule and she did. Maybe not to what people 'wanted' her to do but she didn't break the rules.. If the others want to talk about hardships or problems they went through then that was their interpretation of the rules and they did a great job doing it. Jessie by the way was amazing. But Jimin interpreted it her way. Doesn't mean she was wrong to do it. As for deserved result. Cheetah should win because hers was better so I hope she makes it through to the final. You say "they all however created their own lyrics, which has been a requirement for the entirety of the show, which is why a lot of people are pissed." ok this is fair enough. I agree she should and in past episode she has been seen writing her own lyrics and no one said a thing before. But because they didn't see it on this episode that she can't possibly have wrote them herself? Okay then let me ask you this. Many people are so sure Jimin didn't write those lyrics. Where is the proof? Where is the show insider that told everyone this? Where is the tweet by one of the other rappers that she didn't write her lyrics. I agree if she didn't then she is wrong but I am not the kind of person who is going to believe a complete stranger just because they said "Jimin didn't write her own lyrics." Now if there is proof then fine but if not then why are lots of people going to suddenly believe one person who is a complete stranger? Is that how they are normally in life that a complete stranger tells them something and they suddenly believe it without the need for proof? So show me the proof she didn't write them and I will be the first to condone her for it. I like facts and proof rather than rumour and guesswork. As for the contradiction she never said she wanted to be just a rapper and not thought of as being an idol. She just said she didn't want people to look down on here and think she can't rap just because she is an idol. She never said she wasn't an idol anymore or denounced her idol life. She just didn't want people to be biased against her in a bad way because she was an idol that rapped. So when you say what she did was like a music show then that fits her even more. Idols go on music shows and she made the set look like her as well as the words. Didn't that then suit the 'real me' theme even more? So yes it may not be strictly what a pure rapper does but then again swearing isn't what a pure idol does. But she did it. That's because she is a idol rapper. A mix of the 2 and not strictly either. So she won't always fit each lifestyle absolutely. Also yes she wasn't the only one to have someone on stage but that didn't break the rules either. If Cheetah or others had asked then they would have got someone also. They didn't but others did. No rules were broken by anyone though. Bottom line is. Do any of these accusations thrown at Jimin come with proof or are they all people believe what complete strangers tell them to believe and they believe it. I just want to see the proof and bring all the speculation to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenabean 541 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 The point is the rap was about "real me" and as you said the rap may have pertained to her lifestyle but her as a person and her as an idol are one in the same. She made references to her idol life. No one said that wasn't allowed and it had to be personal only. So she wrote about something that did fall in the rules of what was asked of her. As long as she does that is that not the main point. All the rappers can interpret the theme guidelines as they wish as long as they stay within the rule and she did. Maybe not to what people 'wanted' her to do but she didn't break the rules.. If the others want to talk about hardships or problems they went through then that was their interpretation of the rules and they did a great job doing it. Jessie by the way was amazing. But Jimin interpreted it her way. Doesn't mean she was wrong to do it. As for deserved result. Cheetah should win because hers was better so I hope she makes it through to the final. You say "they all however created their own lyrics, which has been a requirement for the entirety of the show, which is why a lot of people are pissed." ok this is fair enough. I agree she should and in past episode she has been seen writing her own lyrics and no one said a thing before. But because they didn't see it on this episode that she can't possibly have wrote them herself? Okay then let me ask you this. Many people are so sure Jimin didn't write those lyrics. Where is the proof? Where is the show insider that told everyone this? Where is the tweet by one of the other rappers that she didn't write her lyrics. I agree if she didn't then she is wrong but I am not the kind of person who is going to believe a complete stranger just because they said "Jimin didn't write her own lyrics." Now if there is proof then fine but if not then why are lots of people going to suddenly believe one person who is a complete stranger? Is that how they are normally in life that a complete stranger tells them something and they suddenly believe it without the need for proof? So show me the proof she didn't write them and I will be the first to condone her for it. I like facts and proof rather than rumour and guesswork. As for the contradiction she never said she wanted to be just a rapper and not thought of as being an idol. She just said she didn't want people to look down on here and think she can't rap just because she is an idol. She never said she wasn't an idol anymore or denounced her idol life. She just didn't want people to be biased against her in a bad way because she was an idol that rapped. So when you say what she did was like a music show then that fits her even more. Idols go on music shows and she made the set look like her as well as the words. Didn't that then suit the 'real me' theme even more? So yes it may not be strictly what a pure rapper does but then again swearing isn't what a pure idol does. But she did it. That's because she is a idol rapper. A mix of the 2 and not strictly either. So she won't always fit each lifestyle absolutely. Also yes she wasn't the only one to have someone on stage but that didn't break the rules either. If Cheetah or others had asked then they would have got someone also. They didn't but others did. No rules were broken by anyone though. Bottom line is. Do any of these accusations thrown at Jimin come with proof or are they all people believe what complete strangers tell them to believe and they believe it. I just want to see the proof and bring all the speculation to an end. I can understand the interpretation of her was of pursuing the mission in that way and the problem is that isn't how many people see it and when they watch her performance they see that flashy stage and featuring and in the words of koreaboo "Netizens continued to show their disappointment in Jimin, commenting on her wish to break the double standards associated with being an idol rapper but continuing using her idol status and giving idol-like performances" people are upset with her for showing an idol like stage on a hip hop show people want her to show that she can break that stigma and be a "real hip hop rapper" not just an idol rapper I know that any of the other contestants probably could have gotten someone but i was saying personally that I disliked any of them using a feature at all. Not just Jimin individually now with the cussing i don't see why ANYONE should be complaining cause that is bs since everyone on the show has said a cuss word or too i mean Jimin flicked Cheeta off? Also I meant to phrase it differently, many of the people who are defending Jimin use that as an excuse, that oh she didn't know and that is what was wrong. tbh I understand that point of view of Jimin doing the "real me" that way but personally I just wanted to see her do something showing who she was as a person and not as an idol, showing her style of hip hop rapping since she loves hip hop, But yes, ultimately she didn't do anything wrong and the whole entirety of the criticism aimed towards her is based on people's personal opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persona 3,222 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I can understand the interpretation of her was of pursuing the mission in that way and the problem is that isn't how many people see it and when they watch her performance they see that flashy stage and featuring and in the words of koreaboo "Netizens continued to show their disappointment in Jimin, commenting on her wish to break the double standards associated with being an idol rapper but continuing using her idol status and giving idol-like performances" people are upset with her for showing an idol like stage on a hip hop show people want her to show that she can break that stigma and be a "real hip hop rapper" not just an idol rapper I know that any of the other contestants probably could have gotten someone but i was saying personally that I disliked any of them using a feature at all. Not just Jimin individually now with the cussing i don't see why ANYONE should be complaining cause that is bs since everyone on the show has said a cuss word or too i mean Jimin flicked Cheeta off? Also I meant to phrase it differently, many of the people who are defending Jimin use that as an excuse, that oh she didn't know and that is what was wrong. tbh I understand that point of view of Jimin doing the "real me" that way but personally I just wanted to see her do something showing who she was as a person and not as an idol, showing her style of hip hop rapping since she loves hip hop, But yes, ultimately she didn't do anything wrong and the whole entirety of the criticism aimed towards her is based on people's personal opinions. You make a very good point. In the end it is how others have seen it. Jimin interpreted it one way but people decided it should have meant something else and so they are going with their idea. In a way I can see that. Even though I am an AoA fan I still think Cheetah won and Jessie (for me) was amazing. So even though I know Jimin broke no rules and did stick to the theme I still think the normal rapping was better. That is not my problem with it though. People thinking the rapping was better is their opinion and everyone has a right to their own opinion, I respect that. I just don't think she deserved all the hate and bashing just because she didn't do the theme others wanted her to do and she did the theme as she saw it. People preferring the other rappers is great. I like that they are getting some spotlight. But the bashing she got was not deserved for breaking no rules. Yes she wanted to break the idea people had that idol rappers could not actually rap. But in the end of the day she is an idol too. When this show is over she is an idol rapper still. The idol part is part of her just like the love for rapping is. But that doesn't mean she walks away from one. Of course the idol influence will effect her. She is an idol. But that doesn't mean she can't still do rap and that was what she wanted to show. Not that she was only a rapper. Look at it this way. When a female idol goes on Real Men, where they go in the army and train. Does that mean they are no longer an idol and instead are army members? Or are they an idol on an army show? Jimin is an idol rapper on a rap show. She can't shed either skin but doesn't want to be looked down on for being either and in the end it is just that. A show. With a writer and editors etc that make things happen. "people want her to show that she can break that stigma and be a "real hip hop rapper" not just an idol rapper" but she is an idol rapper. How can she break the stigma of how people look at idols as rappers if she doesn't act like an idol that raps?. If she only shows a rapper side then the idol side never comes out and so she had proven nothing. She has to show she is an idol and that she can hold her own against proper full rappers. Then the stigma will be broken because people will see an idol who is being an idol but who can rap as well. Hiding the idol part away shows noting about idols then because it is hidden? Or am I seeing that wrong?? "I know that any of the other contestants probably could have gotten someone but i was saying personally that I disliked any of them using a feature at all. Not just Jimin individually" Can't argue with you there. You have your right to not like something I'll just finish by saying that it's refreshing to find someone that doesn't directly share my point of view but knows how to make their point intelligently without it degrading into immature swearing and insults. Well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fouettes 100 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Are you sure there is nothing wrong with what San E did? From the beginning of the show claiming that Jimin didn't need to be on the show because she was already popular. That automatically had a few people who were already convinced she didn't belong on the show agree with him. Plus whether it was the Mnet PD's fault or not, he showed some blatant favoritism towards Jimin with his words. No one forced him to say them. Calling her a pretty rapstar, making remarks about him especially trying to protect Jimin instead of treating her as he did all the others. Inferring many times whether as a joke or truth that he was interested in Jimin romantically. I am sure he thought it was going to be funny, not even sure why he did. Not in a competition and not in an environment where women are competing for the big prize That was never going to fly. No wonder any judgement, praise or critic he may have given to Jimin or any other contestants would be put into question. I pray if San E comes back next season that he changes his approach to hosting and judging the show. No judge nor host should show this type of blatant bias towards a contestant. First of all a judge can't also be a host that actually is the real problem here LOL But whoever came up with UR didn't take the time to really think about what they were going for And decided to wing it as the show progressed and became popular. "whether it was the Mnet PD's fault or not" - San E said he cheered for the others too but it was edited out. So you mean he can't cheer for anyone so that the PD would have no chance to do selective editing? Your inference of his favouritism is drawn from the way the show was being edited. Rather than questioning his judgement, why not try questioning the way the PD edited? Why don't you say PD is showing favouritism by removing praises for the others? If you have no idea whether it was the PD's fault or not, how can you solely blame it on San E? Even if San E cheered for Jimin, what's the problem with that? His comments when judging were objective and the final winner was decided not solely by him. I feel that many who are slaming Jimin are basically jealous that their favorites didn't get the 'recognition' or 'love' that Jimin seemingly got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenabean 541 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 You make a very good point. In the end it is how others have seen it. Jimin interpreted it one way but people decided it should have meant something else and so they are going with their idea. In a way I can see that. Even though I am an AoA fan I still think Cheetah won and Jessie (for me) was amazing. So even though I know Jimin broke no rules and did stick to the theme I still think the normal rapping was better. That is not my problem with it though. People thinking the rapping was better is their opinion and everyone has a right to their own opinion, I respect that. I just don't think she deserved all the hate and bashing just because she didn't do the theme others wanted her to do and she did the theme as she saw it. People preferring the other rappers is great. I like that they are getting some spotlight. But the bashing she got was not deserved for breaking no rules. Yes she wanted to break the idea people had that idol rappers could not actually rap. But in the end of the day she is an idol too. When this show is over she is an idol rapper still. The idol part is part of her just like the love for rapping is. But that doesn't mean she walks away from one. Of course the idol influence will effect her. She is an idol. But that doesn't mean she can't still do rap and that was what she wanted to show. Not that she was only a rapper. Look at it this way. When a female idol goes on Real Men, where they go in the army and train. Does that mean they are no longer an idol and instead are army members? Or are they an idol on an army show? Jimin is an idol rapper on a rap show. She can't shed either skin but doesn't want to be looked down on for being either and in the end it is just that. A show. With a writer and editors etc that make things happen. "people want her to show that she can break that stigma and be a "real hip hop rapper" not just an idol rapper" but she is an idol rapper. How can she break the stigma of how people look at idols as rappers if she doesn't act like an idol that raps?. If she only shows a rapper side then the idol side never comes out and so she had proven nothing. She has to show she is an idol and that she can hold her own against proper full rappers. Then the stigma will be broken because people will see an idol who is being an idol but who can rap as well. Hiding the idol part away shows noting about idols then because it is hidden? Or am I seeing that wrong?? "I know that any of the other contestants probably could have gotten someone but i was saying personally that I disliked any of them using a feature at all. Not just Jimin individually" Can't argue with you there. You have your right to not like something I'll just finish by saying that it's refreshing to find someone that doesn't directly share my point of view but knows how to make their point intelligently without it degrading into immature swearing and insults. Well done No problem stanning Sistar is hard because so many people blatantly hate them for "being ugly" etc. so it's typical. Thanks, I now have a different outlook on the situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mguemon 1,000 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 "whether it was the Mnet PD's fault or not" - San E said he cheered for the others too but it was edited out. So you mean he can't cheer for anyone so that the PD would have no chance to do selective editing? Your inference of his favouritism is drawn from the way the show was being edited. Rather than questioning his judgement, why not try questioning the way the PD edited? Why don't you say PD is showing favouritism by removing praises for the others? If you have no idea whether it was the PD's fault or not, how can you solely blame it on San E? Even if San E cheered for Jimin, what's the problem with that? His comments when judging were objective and the final winner was decided not solely by him. I feel that many who are slaming Jimin are basically jealous that their favorites didn't get the 'recognition' or 'love' that Jimin seemingly got. I put the blame on San E because he is the one who chose to say those words. He is the one who thought it was funny or acceptable to act as one of the contestant fanboys in a competition he was to host and judge. He was the host and judge of the show and as a host/judge if he wanted to cheer on everyone He should have just said good luck to each and everyone of you and be done with it. But he specifically chose to say that he was going to look after Jimin But again that wasn't the most part I had a problem with The part you seem not to mention is the part where San E whether he wanted to joke or was saying the truth Choose to infer at many times that he liked Jimin a little more than the others, he liked her in a romantic way. When Jessi asked Jimin what type of man she likes after she gave an answer, San E chose to act as if he wanted to fit those criteria. Then the day that Jace was introduced he once again made a remark that was meant to show his romantic interest in Jimin. These are the reasons why some people had a problem with him and instead of putting the blame on him, started putting the blame of his actions on Jimin stating that his bias towards her is the reason why she was handed her wins. If he acted in a different manner, and stayed neutral no one would be able to question his integrity and blame Jimin for it. If no one else had a problem with San E actions than I myself had a problem with them b/c everything he did on that show towards Jimin I will categorize under sexual harassment but that is just me. But what can little old me do when it is acceptable than a man, a man in a position of power makes this type of remarks towards a young lady b/c that is just how he is or how the show is run. She is an Idol and should deal with it. Yes the Mnet PD most probably chose to edit out the praises that San E made to the other contestants, That is possible But San E blatant bias towards Jimin was showcase by the fact that he kept making remarks to the manner that he was interested in her. He clearly stated before giving the result for the Cypher challenge that he was going to look after Jimin especially Those are words that came out of his mouth. I am about certain if San E made similar remarks to another contestant on the show, the PD will not edit them out What would be better than to have two woman vying for the attention of one man? What would be better than to create a rivalry between woman who are fighting for the attention of one man? This is my opinion on this matter, you absolutely do not have to agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persona 3,222 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 I put the blame on San E because he is the one who chose to say those words. He is the one who thought it was funny or acceptable to act as one of the contestant fanboys in a competition he was to host and judge. He was the host and judge of the show and as a host/judge if he wanted to cheer on everyone He should have just said good luck to each and everyone of you and be done with it. But he specifically chose to say that he was going to look after Jimin But again that wasn't the most part I had a problem with The part you seem not to mention is the part where San E whether he wanted to joke or was saying the truth Choose to infer at many times that he liked Jimin a little more than the others, he liked her in a romantic way. When Jessi asked Jimin what type of man she likes after she gave an answer, San E chose to act as if he wanted to fit those criteria. Then the day that Jace was introduced he once again made a remark that was meant to show his romantic interest in Jimin. These are the reasons why some people had a problem with him and instead of putting the blame on him, started putting the blame of his actions on Jimin stating that his bias towards her is the reason why she was handed her wins. If he acted in a different manner, and stayed neutral no one would be able to question his integrity and blame Jimin for it. If no one else had a problem with San E actions than I myself had a problem with them b/c everything he did on that show towards Jimin I will categorize under sexual harassment but that is just me. But what can little old me do when it is acceptable than a man, a man in a position of power makes this type of remarks towards a young lady b/c that is just how he is or how the show is run. She is an Idol and should deal with it. Yes the Mnet PD most probably chose to edit out the praises that San E made to the other contestants, That is possible But San E blatant bias towards Jimin was showcase by the fact that he kept making remarks to the manner that he was interested in her. He clearly stated before giving the result for the Cypher challenge that he was going to look after Jimin especially Those are words that came out of his mouth. I am about certain if San E made similar remarks to another contestant on the show, the PD will not edit them out What would be better than to have two woman vying for the attention of one man? What would be better than to create a rivalry between woman who are fighting for the attention of one man? This is my opinion on this matter, you absolutely do not have to agree with it. Totally agree with you. Jimin even said she saw San E as a father figure. So she was not in any way leading San E on to think there was anything between them but he kept going with the attention and the shows editors loved it and each time he had that grin on his face and flirted with Jimin all that did was get Jimin more hate. What makes it worse is that San E must have known how people were blaming Jimin for how he acted because it has been happening throughout the series and he still did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mguemon 1,000 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Totally agree with you. Jimin even said she saw San E as a father figure. So she was not in any way leading San E on to think there was anything between them but he kept going with the attention and the shows editors loved it and each time he had that grin on his face and flirted with Jimin all that did was get Jimin more hate. What makes it worse is that San E must have known how people were blaming Jimin for how he acted because it has been happening throughout the series and he still did it. I know but I think he changed a little I mean when he gave the final mission he made sure to call everyone pretty rapstars if I remember it correctly And Jessi who on most days on this show turned out to be the voice of reason called him out on it LOL I am sure by that point he had already gotten the feedback from the viewers and was trying to change. LOL This is what he should have done from the start make compliments to every lady there in this broad manner and be done with it. But he chose himself to act differently when the show began. You leave and you learn as they say Good for him, for making subtle changes if what I suspect is true Hopefully if he comes back next season he will not make this mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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