Official JTBC 'Crime Scene 2' Thread - ENG SUB Case 12 FINALE (150624) Updated! (See OP)

[femacca]

OMG TODAY'S EPISODE WAS A M A Z I N G

 

 

Actually, i wasn't giving too much importance to Beauty's brother and i guess it's there i was wrong, until Jang Jin showed everyone what he found out.

 

 

 

I've learned that if the person's face is not blurred out in the evidence (like Judge Jang's fiancee), then he/she is likely to have some connection or bearing to the case. That said, I attached the same significance to the Fatty Friend (her pic in the grad book) but it came to nought  . And of course I'm not counting the other faces from EXID members put there just for laughs.   

 

[LilLeppi]

 

I've learned that if the person's face is not blurred out in the evidence (like Judge Jang's fiancee), then he/she is likely to have some connection or bearing to the case. That said, I attached the same significance to the Fatty Friend (her pic in the grad book) but it came to nought  . And of course I'm not counting the other faces from EXID members put there just for laughs.   

 

 

 

I did the same thing! The lack of blur was suspicious. So, "Fatty" threw me off for a bit, too, I thought maybe she'd end up being significant 

 

[s4a]

Episode 4

 

 

Jang Jin was incredible this episode. If you sit back and look at how this case was laid out, the conclusion of a transgender contestant was quite difficult. All of the suspects had solid motives and the insulin was such a great red herring that I didnt think it was Park Jiyoon for 75% of the episode (i had the same mindset as Hani).  It was Jang Jin's conclusions that made this case seem much easier than it actually was and what led to such a high fan vote at the end. Awesome episode, one of the best of the entire run.

 

Interested in next week. I kind of liked the guest this week (easy on the eyes, willing to play along with the story, had good chemistry with Jang Jin, and was funny). I am usually leery about idol guests on these types of shows becaue they sometimes don't like to play along but let's hope the EXO guy does. I just know that popular idol guests usually = spoilers way too early and clipped videos so I am going to try to avoid being spoiled before Bumdi saves us next Sunday.

 

 

[KimG]

Last episode was great, before I give a few opinions, I just have to say that I hate the first hand-cuff the detective gives out. It is flat out stupid to be doing that before anyone has been able to do anything with the case. It's such a huuuuuge benefit for the criminal to be doing it that way.

 

Anywho, about the episode (in the spoiler):

 

 

 

 

The episode was quite good. It had a lot of confusion to it and the end result was a massive mind fuck :P

 

Now, there is still a few things that bothers me quite a bit about season 2, and that is the lack of editing. I feel like they are wasting a lot of time on fillers, instead of showing the cast having more discussions and finding evidence.

 

What really bothers me is the fact that the director dude out of the blue figured "heey, lets try to plot in 00X000 into the phone. that's logical" when last episode he didnt even bother trying to rewind the tape even tho he said that it could be something in the beginning of it. It just screams scripted to me, and I get really bothered by it. If this show is scripted, I will lose all interest.

 

It does not make any sense to me at all. Now, of course, this could be a case (PUN INTENDED) of horrible editing from the production staff, which I hope it is.

 

Someone said this episode was legendary, and out classed all the cases from S1 and S2, but no, I disagree, the way the built up each episode in season 1 is by far a lot better than the way they are doing it in this season.

 

Meh, I am probably reading too much into this whole 'scripted' thing, but something seems off to me, just doesn't feel right the way things are going.

 

 

 

 

Cheers :D

[안녕하십니까]

Last episode was great, before I give a few opinions, I just have to say that I hate the first hand-cuff the detective gives out. It is flat out stupid to be doing that before anyone has been able to do anything with the case. It's such a huuuuuge benefit for the criminal to be doing it that way.

 

Anywho, about the episode (in the spoiler):

 

 

 

 

The episode was quite good. It had a lot of confusion to it and the end result was a massive mind fuck :P

 

Now, there is still a few things that bothers me quite a bit about season 2, and that is the lack of editing. I feel like they are wasting a lot of time on fillers, instead of showing the cast having more discussions and finding evidence.

 

What really bothers me is the fact that the director dude out of the blue figured "heey, lets try to plot in 00X000 into the phone. that's logical" when last episode he didnt even bother trying to rewind the tape even tho he said that it could be something in the beginning of it. It just screams scripted to me, and I get really bothered by it. If this show is scripted, I will lose all interest.

 

It does not make any sense to me at all. Now, of course, this could be a case (PUN INTENDED) of horrible editing from the production staff, which I hope it is.

 

Someone said this episode was legendary, and out classed all the cases from S1 and S2, but no, I disagree, the way the built up each episode in season 1 is by far a lot better than the way they are doing it in this season.

 

Meh, I am probably reading too much into this whole 'scripted' thing, but something seems off to me, just doesn't feel right the way things are going.

 

 

 

 

Cheers :D

 

 

 

 

you mean you feel too far difference between jang jin in episode 3 and episode 4 because he only said "rewind tape" in  previous episode? so do you even feel that this latest episode is scripted? because his behavior in episode 4 was too different from that in episode 3?

 

 

i ask you because i don't know what you mean cuz my english is weak

 

 

[OHuzr]

Just started episode 4...

 

 

 

 

Detective: "You ugly guy."

Assistant Detective: "I think I'm better looking than you, detective."

 

Buuuuurrrrrrrrrnn!

 

 

 

 

[LilLeppi]

Last episode was great, before I give a few opinions, I just have to say that I hate the first hand-cuff the detective gives out. It is flat out stupid to be doing that before anyone has been able to do anything with the case. It's such a huuuuuge benefit for the criminal to be doing it that way.

 

Anywho, about the episode (in the spoiler):

 

 

 

 

The episode was quite good. It had a lot of confusion to it and the end result was a massive mind fuck :P

 

Now, there is still a few things that bothers me quite a bit about season 2, and that is the lack of editing. I feel like they are wasting a lot of time on fillers, instead of showing the cast having more discussions and finding evidence.

 

What really bothers me is the fact that the director dude out of the blue figured "heey, lets try to plot in 00X000 into the phone. that's logical" when last episode he didnt even bother trying to rewind the tape even tho he said that it could be something in the beginning of it. It just screams scripted to me, and I get really bothered by it. If this show is scripted, I will lose all interest.

 

It does not make any sense to me at all. Now, of course, this could be a case (PUN INTENDED) of horrible editing from the production staff, which I hope it is.

 

Someone said this episode was legendary, and out classed all the cases from S1 and S2, but no, I disagree, the way the built up each episode in season 1 is by far a lot better than the way they are doing it in this season.

 

Meh, I am probably reading too much into this whole 'scripted' thing, but something seems off to me, just doesn't feel right the way things are going.

 

 

 

 

Cheers :D

I agree about the first handcuff. It really just adds favor for the criminal. Although I guess it could also add a situation where the criminal seems suspicious in the beginning but manages to throw them off (I remember an episode from Season 1 where this happened)

 

 

I see what you mean about the scripted feeling. I felt them not being able to rewind the tape last episode was kind of scripted. But this episode I don't think anything seemed off. Since 00X gives an international phone number, I figured he was just trying to find Kangnam's phone number in Beauty's phone. I think it's possible people behind the scenes give them some hints, although I don't think the entire show is scripted. I also agree with you that I prefer Season 1 so far, but I also remember how Season 1 picked up way more later into the season, so I keep thinking this season will do the same. At the very least, I think every episode is getting better this season 

 

[안녕하십니까]

and i had also goosebumps in this scene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he did method acting even when putting handcuffs

 

gangnam, where have you been??

 

 

Edited April 27, 2015 by 안녕하십니까

[OHuzr]

Oohhhhhhh this episode was so juiiiiiiccccccyyyy!

 

 

 

 

The director was on his game in this episode.  I just knew at the point when he turned around and gave this smirk like "Ah hah!  I got you now!", that either he was the criminal or he solved the case.  Moments before he handcuffed the suspect, he went over his deduction and damn, his focus on detail was clever.  Who would have thought to compare the shattered glass and to empty out the bottle to see the hidden character.  I thought it was odd how he was able to deduce the phone number, but then I remembered the very first episode, during the deduction game.  He was able to figure out the passwords by simple hacking methods.  He did say that he has friends who are detectives, and being a director of movies with suspects, he must know at some level how to think like a criminal.  I thought he was brilliant.

 

Hani too was remarkable questioning the insulin too early on.  Her acting was cute though.  She broke out of character several times laughing, and kept saying "I know them" when looking at her fellow EXID members in the yearbook.

 

I personally thought that the insulin had some significance to the case, but I didn't know what that was.  I just took it for what it was not thinking that the liquid could have been something other than insulin.  There's always that one clue, and I was so close but missed that detail.  So close but no cigar they say.

 

An episode well done.

 

 

 

[안녕하십니까]

i have a question to you 

 

do you feel the difference of acting between non -actors and professional actors( like kim ji hoon, jang jin and oh hyeon kyeong)?

 

 

actually i feel some difference of acts between them although im not senstive to catch if he/she is good at acting or not.

 

 

i would thank you if you answer me

[Dm.J]

To me I don't feel a huuuge difference. For example I don't really feel a difference with Kim Ji Hoon's character in case 1 and 2. Jang Jin uses bits of adlibs here and there to build an image of his character, which is great. But I don't think it helps with the investigation anyway since they're all focused on evidences. But for the one who got the murderer role, it sure will help if they got an experience with acting since they need to maintain a poker face.

 

I think they all played their characters efficiently. They clearly pointed out which features their role needs to be shown, although in the same time they're not completely immersed in it, which I don't mind, since it kept the mood light. I don't really want the investigation process to be too serious.

 

In another news, JDM got dragged into another scandal.. why can't people leave him alone seriously. I hope he doesn't quit CS too TT

[OHuzr]

i have a question to you 

 

do you feel the difference of acting between non -actors and professional actors( like kim ji hoon, jang jin and oh hyeon kyeong)?

 

 

actually i feel some difference of acts between them although im not senstive to catch if he/she is good at acting or not.

 

 

i would thank you if you answer me

 

I think there is a difference.  How much of a difference depends on the skill level of the actor and of the non-actor.  To me a good actor is someone who can take on a role, stay in character, and is believable.  A good actor can make you (the viewer/receiver) feel a certain way.  In Crime Scene 2, I think Jang Jin is pretty good acting out his roles.  I don't think he's at the level of someone like Choi Min-Sik though.

[femacca]

Last episode was great, before I give a few opinions, I just have to say that I hate the first hand-cuff the detective gives out. It is flat out stupid to be doing that before anyone has been able to do anything with the case. It's such a huuuuuge benefit for the criminal to be doing it that way.

 

Anywho, about the episode (in the spoiler):

 

 

 

 

The episode was quite good. It had a lot of confusion to it and the end result was a massive mind fuck :P

 

Now, there is still a few things that bothers me quite a bit about season 2, and that is the lack of editing. I feel like they are wasting a lot of time on fillers, instead of showing the cast having more discussions and finding evidence.

 

What really bothers me is the fact that the director dude out of the blue figured "heey, lets try to plot in 00X000 into the phone. that's logical" when last episode he didnt even bother trying to rewind the tape even tho he said that it could be something in the beginning of it. It just screams scripted to me, and I get really bothered by it. If this show is scripted, I will lose all interest.

 

It does not make any sense to me at all. Now, of course, this could be a case (PUN INTENDED) of horrible editing from the production staff, which I hope it is.

 

Someone said this episode was legendary, and out classed all the cases from S1 and S2, but no, I disagree, the way the built up each episode in season 1 is by far a lot better than the way they are doing it in this season.

 

Meh, I am probably reading too much into this whole 'scripted' thing, but something seems off to me, just doesn't feel right the way things are going.

 

 

 

 

Cheers :D

 

I thought it was logical that Judge Jang tried dialling international numbers on Beauty Park's phone. He was the one who had very strong suspicions about Park Kangnam earlier than others. Since Beauty Park said that he had gone to US to study, the best way to verify her words is to find out if she's saying the truth about Gangnam being overseas, since only the criminal could tell lies. He probably recalled about the part that that the suspects called the victim's mother in the USA from S1E10, so he might have tried his luck with finding the international number to call (since 00700 is the code needed to dial overseas from Korea). Jang Jin was also the one who suggested in E03 that something could have been recorded on the cassette tape and told Dongmin and Jiyoon to rewind the tap to listen to it. Unfortunately pabo Dongmin was bad with using the cassette tape player in his truck and did not manage to rewind the tape to the crucial part.

 

I noticed they lessened the interactions among players in a formal way probably to give some leeway to criminals who might not be able to 'act' while at the same time give the cast more time to find evidence. I personally favour this format slightly more than the previous because the whole episode ran like a mini-drama in a way. The S1 format was a little jarring to me with the constant interruption of attention by cross-examination and accusations thrown as each other, though this could be seen as more fun and entertaining in another way. Anyway I am fine with either format, but again, the production team may tweak the format now and then depending on feedback.

 

 

i have a question to you 

 

do you feel the difference of acting between non -actors and professional actors( like kim ji hoon, jang jin and oh hyeon kyeong)?

 

 

actually i feel some difference of acts between them although im not senstive to catch if he/she is good at acting or not.

 

 

i would thank you if you answer me

 

I think professional actors added a nice element of being able to immerse in the roles with their "method acting" and give the episode a more dramatic feel, which I like but others may not since it's a subjective thing. Jiyoon did quite well though, until at the end when she started to give up when she was overwhelmed by the evidence and largely accurate deductions. On the other hand, Hani had a knack of looking like a criminal when she was innocent  Since Xiumin would be the first non-actor guest, I look forward to see how he would portray his character.

 

 

To me I don't feel a huuuge difference. For example I don't really feel a difference with Kim Ji Hoon's character in case 1 and 2. Jang Jin uses bits of adlibs here and there to build an image of his character, which is great. But I don't think it helps with the investigation anyway since they're all focused on evidences. But for the one who got the murderer role, it sure will help if they got an experience with acting since they need to maintain a poker face.

 

I think they all played their characters efficiently. They clearly pointed out which features their role needs to be shown, although in the same time they're not completely immersed in it, which I don't mind, since it kept the mood light. I don't really want the investigation process to be too serious.

 

In another news, JDM got dragged into another scandal.. why can't people leave him alone seriously. I hope he doesn't quit CS too TT

The latest JDM incident was again dragged from the same paid, internet radio podcasts (already terminated then) hosted by OngDalSaem - Jang Dongmin, Yoo Seyoon and Yoo Sangmoo - that also caused the previous controversy. I read that he had just left his daily KBS radio programme over this. There were people supposedly harassing and protesting to companies who used him for their commercials and TV stations where he had programmes to drop him. This systematic way of digging through his old podcasts for controversial words and harassment of companies with threats of boycott has "anti campaign by persons unknown" written all over. I'm not shielding him by saying he did nothing wrong. He said thoughtless, outrageous and exaggerated stuff which could come across as offensive that some people would understandably castigate him for, but strangely no one seemed to have a problem with these until now. In any case, he is now being sued. I agree that he should make a formal apology and hopefully he can reach a settlement. If the mob is hell-bent on destroying his career because he had said offensive stuff, then there's nothing else he can do.

[안녕하십니까]

it's other version of  preview of 4th case

 

 

 

장êµí¬(25세)-oversee korean Jang (25 years old)

 

JJ: Shit, Oh my God! {we..at (or from) * manhaneul university..} she was perfect.

 

JDM: aren't you from boreong choong nam?

 

HJH: I was fallen into lovelove a little bit much JDM: shut up

 

hani: next person JJ: next person?

 

JDM: reason, JJ: reason?

 

HJH: psycho, JJ: Psycho is a bad word, koreans fight each other too much.

 

JDM: this was gone(**파했습니다, Pa haes seub nida). JJ: What does "it was gone" mean??

 

HJH: It means "broke up"

 

JJ: there is *fa, there is si and do re mi .... ah...

 

 

 

 

í•œêµ­ë§ ë„ˆë¬´ 어려워(korean is so difficult)

 

JDM: I know that you are from boryeong choong nam.

 

ë‹¹ì‹ ë„ ì¦ê¸°ê³  싶다면?( if you want to enjoy?)

 

 

*맨하늘 대학(man haneul university): 맨하늘 means just bare sky, but in this case the manhaneul university is parody of Manhattan

university since the 맨하늘 and manhattan are similar in pronounciation.

 

**JJ did adrip of word gag the 파(Pa) is same with 파(fa) from Do Re Mi...

Edited April 27, 2015 by 안녕하십니까

[안녕하십니까]

http://entertain.naver.com/read?oid=213&aid=0000677195

 

JTBC said JDM will join fimings of programs he particiates in on plans.

 

we can keep watching he plays in CS2 

[jongupaf]

i have a question to you 

 

do you feel the difference of acting between non -actors and professional actors( like kim ji hoon, jang jin and oh hyeon kyeong)?

 

 

actually i feel some difference of acts between them although im not senstive to catch if he/she is good at acting or not.

 

 

i would thank you if you answer me

yeah, but i think it's cuter that way and it keeps it more real, if you know what i mean

Edited April 27, 2015 by xbrokenarrow

[Dm.J]

http://entertain.naver.com/read?oid=213&aid=0000677195

 

JTBC said JDM will join fimings of programs he particiates in on plans.

 

we can keep watching he plays in CS2 

 

Thank you 

I wonder whom did JDM annoyed so bad to pull all these effort to get rid of him. This time he didn't leave the radio show voluntarily, the radio PD actually made the decision to let him go.. TT the only radio I listened to daily.

 

Edit: the preview seems fun. Looks like there will be some comedy again in the next ep

Edited April 27, 2015 by Dm.J

[KimG]

 

 

 

you mean you feel too far difference between jang jin in episode 3 and episode 4 because he only said "rewind tape" in  previous episode? so do you even feel that this latest episode is scripted? because his behavior in episode 4 was too different from that in episode 3?

 

 

i ask you because i don't know what you mean cuz my english is weak

 

 

 

 

In episode 3, Jang Jin really felt like there was something at the beginning of the tape, but for some reason he did not bother rewinding it himself, which felt strange to me. In episode 4 he decides that, out of the blue, he should try to dial 00X00, when he could have just checked the phones contacts, which would have given him the same result but seemed less suspicious (in regards of it being scripted).

 

So yes, the way he played the game is very different from episode 3 and 4.

 

 

I agree about the first handcuff. It really just adds favor for the criminal. Although I guess it could also add a situation where the criminal seems suspicious in the beginning but manages to throw them off (I remember an episode from Season 1 where this happened)

 

 

I see what you mean about the scripted feeling. I felt them not being able to rewind the tape last episode was kind of scripted. But this episode I don't think anything seemed off. Since 00X gives an international phone number, I figured he was just trying to find Kangnam's phone number in Beauty's phone. I think it's possible people behind the scenes give them some hints, although I don't think the entire show is scripted. I also agree with you that I prefer Season 1 so far, but I also remember how Season 1 picked up way more later into the season, so I keep thinking this season will do the same. At the very least, I think every episode is getting better this season 

 

 

It's true what you say about season 1, it got a lot better after a few episodes. But even when they started to do one case per episode in season 1, it still didn't feel as rushed as in season 2. So they need to do a few minor changes to season 2 I think. Anyway, I still enjoy watching this show a lot, just want a few minor tweaks to make it even better :D

[s4a]

In terms of the show feeling scripted, every korean variety show has some sort of script or guideline. The difference between shows like Happy Together/Hello Counselor and shows like Running Man/The Genius/Crime Scene is that the script doesn't completely dictate the outcom or the direction of the show since there are so many variables for the cast to get into.

 

I am sure the PDs offer hints and direction but I do geniunely believe that the cast figure things out.

[KimG]

In terms of the show feeling scripted, every korean variety show has some sort of script or guideline. The difference between shows like Happy Together/Hello Counselor and shows like Running Man/The Genius/Crime Scene is that the script doesn't completely dictate the outcom or the direction of the show since there are so many variables for the cast to get into.

 

I am sure the PDs offer hints and direction but I do geniunely believe that the cast figure things out.

 

You are absolutely right, I am just questioning the editing of Crime Scene, because as of now, it comes off as very suspicious, when it could just be edited differently I guess. I dunno, show is still good :P

[LilLeppi]

and i had also goosebumps in this scene

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he did method acting even when putting handcuffs

 

gangnam, where have you been??

 

 

 

I agree, he was great here!! I liked his acting the whole episode  I can't wait until he's the culprit... I have a feeling he'll fool everyone

 

 

 

it's other version of  preview of 4th case

 

 

 

장êµí¬(25세)-oversee korean Jang (25 years old)

 

JJ: Shit, Oh my God! {we..at (or from) * manhaneul university..} she was perfect.

 

JDM: aren't you from boreong choong nam?

 

HJH: I was fallen into lovelove a little bit much JDM: shut up

 

hani: next person JJ: next person?

 

JDM: reason, JJ: reason?

 

HJH: psycho, JJ: Psycho is a bad word, koreans fight each other too much.

 

JDM: this was gone(**파했습니다, Pa haes seub nida). JJ: What does "it was gone" mean??

 

HJH: It means "broke up"

 

JJ: there is *fa, there is si and do re mi .... ah...

 

 

 

 

í•œêµ­ë§ ë„ˆë¬´ 어려워(korean is so difficult)

 

JDM: I know that you are from boryeong choong nam.

 

ë‹¹ì‹ ë„ ì¦ê¸°ê³  싶다면?( if you want to enjoy?)

 

 

*맨하늘 대학(man haneul university): 맨하늘 means just bare sky, but in this case the manhaneul university is parody of Manhattan

university since the 맨하늘 and manhattan are similar in pronounciation.

 

**JJ did adrip of word gag the 파(Pa) is same with 파(fa) from Do Re Mi...

They look like they're having a lot of fun in this preview! Thanks for sharing!! 

 

 

 

In episode 3, Jang Jin really felt like there was something at the beginning of the tape, but for some reason he did not bother rewinding it himself, which felt strange to me. In episode 4 he decides that, out of the blue, he should try to dial 00X00, when he could have just checked the phones contacts, which would have given him the same result but seemed less suspicious (in regards of it being scripted).

 

So yes, the way he played the game is very different from episode 3 and 4.

 

 

 

It's true what you say about season 1, it got a lot better after a few episodes. But even when they started to do one case per episode in season 1, it still didn't feel as rushed as in season 2. So they need to do a few minor changes to season 2 I think. Anyway, I still enjoy watching this show a lot, just want a few minor tweaks to make it even better :D

 

 

I am with you on feeling that "not rewinding the tape" was set up. Maybe the show isn't entirely scripted, but I got the feeling they just were told they weren't allowed to wind the tape or something? Also, yeah, it would've been quicker for him to look through the contacts. He could've already found the number in the contacts, then was told to do it the 00X00 way so it looked more dramaitc

 

 

I think they will fix any pacing issues with this season as we continue on! I'm optimistic about it 

 

 

In terms of the show feeling scripted, every korean variety show has some sort of script or guideline. The difference between shows like Happy Together/Hello Counselor and shows like Running Man/The Genius/Crime Scene is that the script doesn't completely dictate the outcom or the direction of the show since there are so many variables for the cast to get into.

 

I am sure the PDs offer hints and direction but I do geniunely believe that the cast figure things out.

 

I agree with this! I think they probably give hints and advice sometimes just to get things going in a certain direction, but I do feel like everyone's deductions are real

 

Also, I hope Hani does well as the detective, but the two people who haven't been the culprit yet are pretty tough players. Then again they could always repeat a previous culprit like they did in Season 1, but I really want to see

Hong Jinho and Jang Jin

as culprits

Edited April 27, 2015 by LilLeppi

[jongupaf]

aahah

"then there's fa sol la si"

lol, that episode looks funny already omg 

[Soko]

ehhh! I didn't see eng sub was out! 

*go watch it*

[Vanilla21]

This episode was shockingly good and unexpected. Even I had goosebump about Beauty Park's true identity.

[안녕하십니까]

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