Omniscient 404 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 It's been a good month for completely absurd law changes. Last week, Ireland quite suddenly legalised ecstasy and ketamine, and this week Oklahoma has seen fit to restrict marriage to people of faith. A bill that would restrict the right to marry to people of faith and require all marriage licenses to be approved by a member of clergy was approved by the Oklahoma state House on Tuesday. House Bill 1125, which would effectively ban all secular marriages in the state, was passed by a Republican majority and will now go to the state Senate for consideration. "Marriage was not instituted by government. It was instituted by God. There is no reason for Oklahoma or any state to be involved in marriage," said one of the bill's Republican supporters Rep. Dennis Johnson, though marriage is a legal contract. I'm actually inclined to agree with him despite being an atheist myself. Marriage is interwoven with religion and I'd sooner see secular people reject it and come up with their own commitments, though admittedly I'd rather we came to that realization naturally than where forced into it by Republicans. It seems this bill isn't fuelled by a desire to segregate atheists however but is a thinly-veiled attack on gay marriage. By restricting the issuing of marriage licenses to the clergy and not judges and court clerks, the bill would make it harder for same-sex marriages to take place. Oklahomans for Equality described the proposal as an "all-out assault on the LGBT citizens of Oklahoma." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/oklahoma-is-banning-atheists-from-getting-married-10110507.html BIG FAIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abra 40,910 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 What about secular marriages outside of the church? Not possible? And what about marriages for muslims, jews etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueenElizabeth 1,470 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 marriage already existed long before Christianity did, can the Christians please stop demanding others to bow to their will when they didn't even do it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ღChoco 2,864 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I doubt it'll pass the senate tbh. Like everytime a ridiculous law like this pops up, it never makes it past senate. But everyone ignores that part anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgl 5,919 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 That's ridiculous. The moment marriage started having legal implications and benefits, it stopped being an exclusive religious event. They can ban atheists from marrying in churches if they want, but not on courts. I really hope this won't pass, because it's absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancor288 3,306 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Marriage has never been about GOD or religion. Marriage was a contract between two men to sell one woman to another (usually a father selling his daughter to another man or an older brother selling his sister). Women were thought to be property therefor, men could sell them just as they sold a cow. Marriage existed long before organized religions as this was mostly done for gaining favor/riches with other groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringo 4,146 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Which god? Can I still get married if my god is Shim ChangMin's taut chest and glorious abs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBadNotGood 11,616 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 "I'm actually inclined to agree with him despite being an atheist myself. Marriage is interwoven with religion and I'd sooner see secular people reject it and come up with their own commitments, though admittedly I'd rather we came to that realization naturally than where forced into it by Republicans." Okay that'd be cute and everything if marriage wasn't basically a contract that binds you to a person that was around way before Christianity was even thought up. Have fun getting the government to recognize commitment ceremonies (or even Common-law marriage which isn't valid in Oklahoma) as something valid when your loved one is in the hospital room and you can't even see them because you're not family or married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*lesigh* 6,759 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 This is why I fucking hate Republicans. They force their religion on you and it's complete bullshit. They better not ban atheists from getting married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom Rose 6 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 That's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and South 4,680 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 This is ridiculous... How do US lawmakers even dredge up the sheer GALL to push for these kinds of laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omejkle 11,748 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I misread that as Athletes XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*lesigh* 6,759 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 This is ridiculous... How do US lawmakers even dredge up the sheer GALL to push for these kinds of laws? One word: Republicans. These "Republicans" force everybody in the state and country to follow their religion and all of it's rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and South 4,680 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 One word: Republicans. These "Republicans" force everybody in the state and country to follow their religion and all of it's rules. I'm not even going to lie, the two party system in the US seems like an absolute farce to me. The only reason Rebuplivans are being marginalized is because the parties differ so little in it what areas, with the exception of social issues. Both parties seem idiotic. But this is extra stupid and this will have to be struck down as unconstitutional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neon_my_genesis 5,872 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 "I'm actually inclined to agree with him despite being an atheist myself. Marriage is interwoven with religion and I'd sooner see secular people reject it and come up with their own commitments, though admittedly I'd rather we came to that realization naturally than where forced into it by Republicans." Okay that'd be cute and everything if marriage wasn't basically a contract that binds you to a person that was around way before Christianity was even thought up. Have fun getting the government to recognize commitment ceremonies (or even Common-law marriage which isn't valid in Oklahoma) as something valid when your loved one is in the hospital room and you can't even see them because you're not family or married. That argument is so stupid to me too, because it's no way as easy as they're tryina act like it is: "oh you don't believe in god? then go find your own way of getting "married!" - marriage has been something that's been around for way too long to just suddenly be able to find "alternatives" to. If they don't like how atheism has tainted marriage why don't they go find another way to get "married." especially since marriage wasn't even originally linked with faith - but they had to get faith involved in it somehow, like they do with everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*lesigh* 6,759 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'm not even going to lie, the two party system in the US seems like an absolute farce to me. The only reason Rebuplivans are being marginalized is because the parties differ so little in it what areas, with the exception of social issues. Both parties seem idiotic. But this is extra stupid and this will have to be struck down as unconstitutional. Well, gay marriage was never struck down as unconstitutional... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajewcy 1,217 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Pretty trollish. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and South 4,680 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Well, gay marriage was never struck down as unconstitutional... True that â˜•ï¸ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBadNotGood 11,616 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 That argument is so stupid to me too, because it's no way as easy as they're tryina act like it is: "oh you don't believe in god? then go find your own way of getting "married!" - marriage has been something that's been around for way too long to just suddenly be able to find "alternatives" to. If they don't like how atheism has tainted marriage why don't they go find another way to get "married." especially since marriage wasn't even originally linked with faith - but they had to get faith involved in it somehow, like they do with everything. Exactly. Everything about this pisses me off and I don't want to even get married. In my opinion, marriage is a human right that could either be connected to your faith if you choose but don't sit there and pretend that your faith made it. Like people always want to fucking throw their weight around. Luckily I know this'll never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerowan 1,006 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 What's really sad to me (even if it passes both houses AND the governor signs it, the ACLU will step it and it will ultimately be struck down) is that guy will probably be re-elected multiple times because he's doing conservative voters proud and there are a LOT of conservative voters in Oklahoma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EunB's Angel 252 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I see Oklahoma is going backwards again. Last time i checked, Christianity did not start the concept of marriage. Marriage started way before the bible came out. And my biggest pet peeve ever is people shoving their religion down my throat, my gag reflex reacts everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneeze 308 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 marriage already existed long before Christianity did, can the Christians please stop demanding others to bow to their will when they didn't even do it?! Marriage has never been about GOD or religion. Marriage was a contract between two men to sell one woman to another (usually a father selling his daughter to another man or an older brother selling his sister). Women were thought to be property therefor, men could sell them just as they sold a cow. Marriage existed long before organized religions as this was mostly done for gaining favor/riches with other groups. That argument is so stupid to me too, because it's no way as easy as they're tryina act like it is: "oh you don't believe in god? then go find your own way of getting "married!" - marriage has been something that's been around for way too long to just suddenly be able to find "alternatives" to. If they don't like how atheism has tainted marriage why don't they go find another way to get "married." especially since marriage wasn't even originally linked with faith - but they had to get faith involved in it somehow, like they do with everything. Exactly. Everything about this pisses me off and I don't want to even get married. In my opinion, marriage is a human right that could either be connected to your faith if you choose but don't sit there and pretend that your faith made it. Like people always want to fucking throw their weight around. Luckily I know this'll never happen. I see Oklahoma is going backwards again. Last time i checked, Christianity did not start the concept of marriage. Marriage started way before the bible came out. And my biggest pet peeve ever is people shoving their religion down my throat, my gag reflex reacts everytime. Um. Of course marriage didn't exist before marriage, because marriage didn't exist until religion determined it to be a union devised by God for humankind (as man was instructed by God to view marriage). And Christianity didn't exist until Jesus in which case, Christians are well rooted in their concepts because marriage had existed well before Christianity was founded (ie Judaism). Marriage is a concept for how to live one's life and how to value one's partner (not to say this is always honored). Man fucking woman so that he can have 10 cows from woman's father is not marriage, it is business and procreation....is a means to an end (try explaining to someone that concept of "marriage" as we were taught and understand it and be laughed at by someone living in that time period). Besides, the context for this issue is in our modern, legalized understanding of marriage. And modern understanding has definitely been developed from a religious founding, "sanctity" as it were, in the union between man and wife (yes yes, I am simply saying not stating, this is the general idea that has been promoted but people have been fighting against, right right?). To cite anything prior is ridiculous. Are atheists cave-people or dinosaurs? You all are complaining about your civilization as though its development and understanding of morality had nothing to do with religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Juan and only 5,432 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Why are people surprised this is Oklahoma... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haus of Tzu:Lai 5,450 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Seems like Oklahoma keeps going backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
...... 3,962 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Such good Christians! Despite this being completely nonsensical and flawed...let me play along. If the idea is to prevent courts from overseeing marriage licensing at all, making marriage exclusively religion based (this is what they say is their right)...remove government from "the institution of God".... ... then i propose we do exactly as they ask. Let's remove every non-religious element from the institution of marriage entirely. Meaning, supply none of the benefits, rights, and protections attached to marriage, such as: Tax (no more joint tax returns!) Family (who's kid is this, your's or mine?) Estate (you inherit nothing when i die, it all goes to charity and my greedy estranged sister!) Consumer (no more family rates ... for anything) Government (spousal social security) Employment (you've got a medical insurance packet at work, too bad we have to pay for my kidney transplant out of pocket T_T) Medical (i wanted to visit you after your kidney transplant, but visiting hours were over ) Immigrant (yes we're married, but they are still deporting you back to Yemen) Death (*prays* i know you wanted to be cremated after that failed kidney transplant, but your estranged sister trumped my influence. You were taxidermied instead) Legal (I couldn't lie about seeing you burn down our neighbours house after a disagreement...they MADE me testify against you in court, and i was underoath) ... the list goes on.... w/ many bullet points under such benefits. None of those benefits have anything to do with the church or religion. They are all government. It would put everyone on the same playing field, and make removing people's right to marry... "fair". Keep your construct...that's fine... but you will not get any extra special treatment attached to a document that says you are a God fearer who committed yourself to someone in a church. I'm all for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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