Music Station (3/13/15)

[DocumentaLy]

http://video.fc2.com/content/20150314BUmEac02/

 

Kumamushi – Attakaindakara

 

AKB48 – Green Flash

 

KAT-TUN – KISS KISS KISS

 

Flower – Shirayukihime

 

chay – Anata ni Koi wo Shite Mimashita

 

Kyary Pamyu Pamyu – Mondai Girl

 

SEKAI NO OWARI – Dragon Night / Moonlight Station

 

Southern All Stars – Aloe / Iya na Koto Darake no Yo no Naka de

 

 

 

The next show is April 3 and will be a 3 hour special:

 

Kis-My-Ft2 - Kiss Damashii

 

Kobukuro – Sakura / Kiseki

 

Southern All Stars – Special Medley

 

Sandaime J Soul Brothers – R.Y.U.S.E.I.

 

Tohoshinki – Sakuramichi

 

NyaaKB with Tsuchinoko Panda - Idol wa Unyanya no Ken

 

BEGIN - Shimanchu nu Takara

 

Yuzu – OLA!! / Harukaze

 

Wagakki Band - Senbonzakura

 

 

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Hmm, so they're letting KPop back on again...

[Sad Party Queen]

KPP performing the comeback song of the century.

 

 

3JSB are performing ryusei again? don't they have new singles coming out soon?

[Mandilinn]

Hmm, so they're letting KPop back on again...

I wonder why. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but this seems random. Was this single a big hit or something?

[HRH Ayyu]

when u say kpop is allowed on again,  ur talking about Tohoshinki  right?

 

i thought they had a bit more respect compared to other kpop groups in japan.?

 

 

but yay for Wagakki Band 

[nekun]

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[DocumentaLy]

KPP performing the comeback song of the century.

 

 

3JSB are performing ryusei again? don't they have new singles coming out soon?

 

They really need to perform something else.

 

 

I wonder why. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but this seems random. Was this single a big hit or something?

 

It wasn't any bigger than anything else they've done these past few years. I feel the same way you do.

 

 

when u say kpop is allowed on again,  ur talking about Tohoshinki  right?

 

i thought they had a bit more respect compared to other kpop groups in japan.?

 

 

but yay for Wagakki Band 

 

They lost a lot of it when they split. They became a lot more KPop and stopped making public-friendly songs.

[choa501]

KAT-TUN's new song is so bland and boring. They should have picked smth else to promote and omg I can't believe they're letting Tohoshinki back on Music Station. I wonder if this means they'll now be allowed to guest on any show. I hope the answer is yes because I need to see them at least once more on SMAPxSMAP.

[DocumentaLy]

KAT-TUN's new song is so bland and boring. They should have picked smth else to promote and omg I can't believe they're letting Tohoshinki back on Music Station. I wonder if this means they'll now be allowed to guest on any show. I hope the answer is yes because I need to see them at least once more on SMAPxSMAP.

 

They have been on other shows though...

[Myth]

K-pop is banned in Japan!!!

 

KAT-TUN's new song is so bland and boring. They should have picked smth else to promote and omg I can't believe they're letting Tohoshinki back on Music Station. I wonder if this means they'll now be allowed to guest on any show. I hope the answer is yes because I need to see them at least once more on SMAPxSMAP.

Literally any of the B-sides (except "Arigatou") would have made a better single than "Kiss Kiss Kiss".

[thesedays]

They really need to perform something else.

 

 

 

It wasn't any bigger than anything else they've done these past few years. I feel the same way you do.

 

 

I agree its kind of pointless to let 3JSB go on again to sing R.Y.U.S.E.I. but it's definitely not as big as anything else they done. This single has literally been the turning point for them to become the hottest thing in J-pop and it is absolutely everywhere in Japan. Plus, it has the "running man" choreography that everyone goes crazy over and is now super associated with them (and the reason why their performances of this song are particularly popular).

[partaymaker]

Not feeling that 3 hour SP, but its about time they stopped ignoring Toho's slayage. They are probably on there because of their 10th year anniversary.

[DocumentaLy]

I agree its kind of pointless to let 3JSB go on again to sing R.Y.U.S.E.I. but it's definitely not as big as anything else they done. This single has literally been the turning point for them to become the hottest thing in J-pop and it is absolutely everywhere in Japan. Plus, it has the "running man" choreography that everyone goes crazy over and is now super associated with them (and the reason why their performances of this song are particularly popular).

 

I think you got the 3JSB and TVXQ comments mixed.

[thesedays]

LOL, I did. Sorry.

 

But re: TVXQ. Besides them being Koreans, is there any reason for them NOT to be on Music Station considering their sales and overall popularity?

[DocumentaLy]

LOL, I did. Sorry.

 

But re: TVXQ. Besides them being Koreans, is there any reason for them NOT to be on Music Station considering their sales and overall popularity?

 

Mmm, not really. But the thing a lot of KPop fans are doing now is saying that other acts should be on too but really who is at their level?

[Ariya]

Mmm, not really. But the thing a lot of KPop fans are doing now is saying that other acts should be on too but really who is at their level?

who?

[Ariya]

double post.

[thesedays]

Mmm, not really. But the thing a lot of KPop fans are doing now is saying that other acts should be on too but really who is at their level?

 

True. They're by far the biggest. But if you're taking into consideration overall profits -- like tour earnings and such -- than BigBang also has A-list status in Japan. And maybe JYJ if they're well promoted. But it's not like they'll ever be on Music Station since they're blacklisted from the media.

[choa501]

They have been on other shows though...

Yes but for whatever reason it's always the same morning and news shows. You never see them on shows like Tore, Shabekuri or any Johnny's shows and I don't think that's JE's doing since they had no trouble having them on their shows before and even LDH acts have gone on them.

 

K-pop is banned in Japan!!!

 

Literally any of the B-sides (except "Arigatou") would have made a better single than "Kiss Kiss Kiss".

This is me, tbh. I can't even listen to the intro of Kiss Kiss Kiss and Arigatou was such a disappointment. I don't know who picks the title tracks for KAT-TUN but half of the time they are more b-side material than the b-sides themselves.

[DocumentaLy]

who?

 

People on a variety of sites.

 

 

True. They're by far the biggest. But if you're taking into consideration overall profits -- like tour earnings and such -- than BigBang also has A-list status in Japan. And maybe JYJ if they're well promoted. But it's not like they'll ever be on Music Station since they're blacklisted from the media.

 

Ehh, touring is such a gray area. I mean there are acts now who do domes just because and not because they're actually relevant. Then you have acts who are very relevant who don't bother to do such venues. I think people put more focus on touring than they really should.

 

Big Bang... I mean they had a best album last year that did like 177k but it was gimmicky as hell. Like people having to buy all 7 music card editions to go to a rehearsal.

 

 

Yes but for whatever reason it's always the same morning and news shows. You never see them on shows like Tore, Shabekuri or any Johnny's shows and I don't think that's JE's doing since they had no trouble having them on their shows before and even LDH acts have gone on them.

 

This is me, tbh. I can't even listen to the intro of Kiss Kiss Kiss and Arigatou was such a disappointment. I don't know who picks the title tracks for KAT-TUN but half of the time they are more b-side material than the b-sides themselves.

 

You're talking about variety shows. I'm talking about music shows.

[Ariya]

People on a variety of sites.

 

 

 

Ehh, touring is such a gray area. I mean there are acts now who do domes just because and not because they're actually relevant. Then you have acts who are very relevant who don't bother to do such venues. I think people put more focus on touring than they really should.

 

Big Bang... I mean they had a best album last year that did like 177k but it was gimmicky as hell. Like people having to buy all 7 music card editions to go to a rehearsal.

 

 

 

You're talking about variety shows. I'm talking about music shows.

I saw one in Arama.

[thesedays]

 

 

Ehh, touring is such a gray area. I mean there are acts now who do domes just because and not because they're actually relevant. Then you have acts who are very relevant who don't bother to do such venues. I think people put more focus on touring than they really should.

 

 

LOL, I dont get it? If they can it is because they are relevant. SHINee or Girls Generation doing one night in Tokyo Dome might be just mediaplay but a full-fledged Dome tour will always be something reserved for huge acts, no matter how in denial some people are. Not every A-list act do them but no one can pull one off without being very relevant. Not to mention I can't really think of any act that should be doing them that isn't, can you? SEKAI NO OWARI maybe, but they are playing an equivalent (two days at Nissan Stadium). What other J-pop act could pull them off? Fukuyama Masaharu; B'z; Mr Children and Namie Amuro? They do it occasionally too. Amongst international acts, the ones that are the most popular are Taylor Swift and One Direction and they're also playing them. The other current J-pop acts couldn't, let's be real.  And according to Nikkei Entertainment, Bigbang had the 2nd biggest number of concert attendees last year  and according to Ticket Street, the biggest official ticket reseller in Japan, they were the 7th "most difficult to get tickets to" concert which is a long way to go from Arashi; Tohoshinki and SMAP (which were the top 3) but was above Amuro; Fukuyama Masaharu and SEKAI NO OWARI.

 

This whole "concert attendance doesn't mean anything" usually come from the ones that deny Kpop popularity in Japan and I truly can't understand the logic. They are as valid to measure popularity as album and single sales (or even more so because album sales, as AKB proved, can be easily manipulated).

[DocumentaLy]

LOL, I dont get it? If they can it is because they are relevant. SHINee or Girls Generation doing one night in Tokyo Dome might be just mediaplay but a full-fledged Dome tour will always be something reserved for huge acts, no matter how in denial some people are. Not every A-list act do them but no one can pull one off without being very relevant. Not to mention I can't really think of any act that should be doing them that isn't, can you? SEKAI NO OWARI maybe, but they are playing an equivalent (two days at Nissan Stadium). What other J-pop act could pull them off? Fukuyama Masaharu; B'z; Mr Children and Namie Amuro? They do it occasionally too. Amongst international acts, the ones that are the most popular are Taylor Swift and One Direction and they're also playing them. The other current J-pop acts couldn't, let's be real.  And according to Nikkei Entertainment, Bigbang had the 2nd biggest number of concert attendees last year  and according to Ticket Street, the biggest official ticket reseller in Japan, they were the 7th "most difficult to get tickets to" concert which is a long way to go from Arashi; Tohoshinki and SMAP (which were the top 3) but was above Amuro; Fukuyama Masaharu and SEKAI NO OWARI.

 

This whole "concert attendance doesn't mean anything" usually come from the ones that deny Kpop popularity in Japan and I truly can't understand the logic. They are as valid to measure popularity as album and single sales (or even more so because album sales, as AKB proved, can be easily manipulated).

 

Big Bang proves albums sales can be manipulated too. I just find it VERY odd that you can do a tour that size but you can't get more than 200k people to buy your best album, especially since best albums normally sell very well. And that number is inflated anyway because of the gimmicks attached to it. So what is really real?

[thesedays]

Big Bang proves albums sales can be manipulated too. I just find it VERY odd that you can do a tour that size but you can't get more than 200k people to buy your best album, especially since best albums normally sell very well. And that number is inflated anyway because of the gimmicks attached to it. So what is really real?

 

K-pop fans in Japan are hardly as evangelical about buying singles and albums as J-pop fans. In fact, all K-pop act songs are easily available on Youtube and to download. I have a group of Japanese friends that I met while I was studying abroad and they don't listen to J-pop, according to them what's trendy right now among Japanese youth (as in people in their twenties) is One Direction, Ariana Grande.... and Bigbang. I actually know one of them rip their albums off YouTube but, judging from Facebook and Instagram, she always goes to their concerts. I'd guess she's probably not the only one? My overall impression is that, unlike 90% of K-pop groups, BigBang are popular with the general public, you always see celebrities flocking to their concerts and proclaiming to be huge fans when they're with them on TV. Maybe they just have a lots of casual fans?

 

In any case, Nikkei Entertainment is a very reliable magazine and I hardly doubt Ticket-Street would have any incentive to lie about their numbers. And Dome tours are particularly expensive and difficult to book. I doubt AVEX would be willing to book them unless they were profitable. Especially the likes of Fukuoka and Nagoya, who don't even bring press.

 

All in all, I'd definitely say they are A-list, even though obviously not as much as Tohoshinki (which were, after all, AVEX's highest-earning act last year).

[DocumentaLy]

K-pop fans in Japan are hardly as evangelical about buying singles and albums as J-pop fans. In fact, all K-pop act songs are easily available on Youtube and to download. I have a group of Japanese friends that I met while I was studying abroad and they don't listen to J-pop, according to them what's trendy right now among Japanese youth (as in people in their twenties) is One Direction, Ariana Grande.... and Bigbang. I actually know one of them rip their albums off YouTube but, judging from Facebook and Instagram, she always goes to their concerts. I'd guess she's probably not the only one? My overall impression is that, unlike 90% of K-pop groups, BigBang are popular with the general public, you always see celebrities flocking to their concerts and proclaiming to be huge fans when they're with them on TV. Maybe they just have a lots of casual fans?

 

In any case, Nikkei Entertainment is a very reliable magazine and I hardly doubt Ticket-Street would have any incentive to lie about their numbers. And Dome tours are particularly expensive and difficult to book. I doubt AVEX would be willing to book them unless they were profitable. Especially the likes of Fukuoka and Nagoya, who don't even bring press.

 

All in all, I'd definitely say they are A-list, even though obviously not as much as Tohoshinki (which were, after all, AVEX's highest-earning act last year).

 

So basically Japanese KPop fans are cheap and unwilling to buy music. Unless they have the music sales to back up their tours, they will not be seen in the same way as an act like TVXQ, who can sell music and dome tours. It's pretty clear that Big Bang isn't really in the music-selling industry anyway, seeing as how little they release. They'd rather just tour. So to try to put them on the same caliber as acts that can sell music and tours is weird. And when they do sell music, the sales aren't top tier.

 

I honestly cringe at like 90% of anything that's currently popular in Japan.

 

Here's the thing though: they do their dome tours at times when the rates are lower to rent the venue.

 

And if you're not going to put them on TVXQ's level, then they're obviously not A list. There's no such thing as an A- list.

[thesedays]

 

Here's the thing though: they do their dome tours at times when the rates are lower to rent the venue.

 

LOL, I've heard this being repeated so many times when it's obviously a lie. They tour in December which is the most in demand time for concerts at Tokyo Dome BY FAR. In 2011, there were 35 concerts in Tokyo Dome, 14 of those were concentrated in December (Kanjani8; Exile; B'z; Kinki Kids; Mizuki Kana). In 2012, there were 43 concerts and, even though a smaller percentage were concentrated in December, it was still by far the most packed month (11 concerts; including Arashi and Namie Amuro, besides Bigbang). Same in 2013 (12 out of 54; mostly by Arashi and Big Bang but also Bon Jovi and Paul McCartney) and in 2014 (13 out of 48). Historically, it's almost impossible to find a weekend WITHOUT a concert in December at Tokyo Dome. In that last few years, December has been dominated by Arashi (who are obviously not worried about lower rates) and Bigbang but the demand has always been overwhelming, as anyone can easily check at their official website. So the fact they book so many weekends in December is actually a testament to their popularity as a touring act, since there's fierce competition. If that wasn't enough, it's also the preferred time for Johnny's act. Arashi and Kanjani8, respectively the first and third highest-grossing concert acts from Johnny's, hold their Dome tours at the same time which probably does not contribute to make the rates any lower.