�SHERRY� 5,081 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 France begins jailing people for ironic comments It may sound like an ironic joke, but it isn’t. Less than a week after the massive rallies in defense of “free expression,†following the murders of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, French authorities have jailed a youth for irony. The arrest is part of a harsh crackdown on free speech in the country that has prompted criticism from national and international human rights organizations. A 16-year-old high school student was taken into police custody on Thursday and indicted for “defending terrorism,†national broadcaster France 3 reports. His alleged crime? He posted on Facebook a cartoon “representing a person holding the magazine Charlie Hebdo, being hit by bullets, and accompanied by an ‘ironic’ comment,†France 3 states. The report does not include the drawing – presumably that could put France 3 afoul of the law. So we do not know for sure what the youth is accused of sharing. But the cartoon at the top of this page fits the description precisely. It was widely shared on social media, and published on 7 January on the website of the controversial French comedian Dieudonné. It is a mock Charlie Hebdo cover by the cartoonist Dedko. The text says “Charlie Hebdo is shit. It does not stop bullets.†It appears quite heartless and cruel, but look at the copy of Charlie Hebdo that the person in the cartoon is holding. It represents a real Charlie Hebdo cover that was published in July 2013, days after the military coup in Egypt. It caused outrage at the time because of its cruelty and insensitivity. It shows an Egyptian protestor being shot through a copy of the Quran he is holding. The text says, “The Quran is shit, it doesn’t stop bullets.†Assuming that the mock Charlie Hebdo cover is the one shared by the youth on Facebook, this incident sums up the sheer hypocrisy of France’s current national mood. Anything mocking and denigrating Islam and Muslims is venerated as courageous free speech, while anything mocking those who engage in such denigration – even using precisely the same techniques – can get you locked up. Read more here http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/france-begins-jailing-people-ironic-comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guava 6,874 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 There is such a thing as free speech but people need to be prepared to deal with the consequences of what they choose to say. Its in bad taste to mock someone else's religion or death. And jailing the kid for that is so hypocritical. He can't say what he wants now? What happened to Frances amazing freedom of speech policy? The double standards are disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LØKI 127 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Quite interesting actually, because you could argue that he was condoning and celebrating terrorism but then again isn't it he's right of free speech. If his free speech is considered terrorism I guess it ceases to be free speech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ETB5 4,512 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 It represents a real Charlie Hebdo cover that was published in July 2013, days after the military coup in Egypt. It caused outrage at the time because of its cruelty and insensitivity. It shows an Egyptian protestor being shot through a copy of the Quran he is holding. The text says, “The Quran is shit, it doesn’t stop bullets.†Assuming that the mock Charlie Hebdo cover is the one shared by the youth on Facebook, this incident sums up the sheer hypocrisy of France’s current national mood. It most definitely would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PShell 1,522 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Makes sense. I don't see a problem with this. There is a difference here - Celebrating and saying the terrorist act was justified vs - Celebrating free speech and denouncing terrorism One is generally a peaceful thing and the other is calling for the destruction of France. I can see why they don't like people who celebrate the murders of innocent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guava 6,874 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Makes sense. I don't see a problem with this. There is a difference here in calling for or celebrating the death of artists and celebrating terrorism vs being outraged over murder. He drew a cartoon too. How is his cartoon not art but Hebdo's is??? Its the same thing. His alleged crime? He posted on Facebook a cartoon “representing a person holding the magazine Charlie Hebdo, being hit by bullets, and accompanied by an ‘ironic’ comment,†France 3 states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImNana 954 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 This makes freedom of speech seem completely irrelevant. Double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourever 3,231 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 so many posts like these nowadays ....our poor world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myreflections 3,232 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 well... since they didn't do shit about the mean comments towards Islam and Muslims, I think it's about time. killing those people isn't justified by anything, but they were mocking a religion and people. and if their government didnt' do shit to stop that, it's about time they do something to stop it from now on. i will expect them to block comments like this on both sides. cause if they block this things but allow sarcasm and insults towards other religions, that would be hypocrite. it's funny they are getting a conscious right now after years of mocking another religion. finally got awareness that not all words are okay? they should have stopped that magazine decades ago. may their new "laws" apply to all sides and nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masketta 2,783 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 je suis nameless 16 yr old fb user Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PShell 1,522 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 He drew a cartoon too. How is his cartoon not art but Hebdo's is??? Its the same thing. Did hebdo cartoons call for killing people or celebrate it? Is there a line between criticism and celebration of terrorism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ot12 814 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 woaahhh just did an english assignment on this yesterday lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Ship is Black Pearl 552 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 There is such a thing as free speech but people need to be prepared to deal with the consequences of what they choose to say. Its in bad taste to mock someone else's religion or death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ties 55 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 It's hypocrisy because Charlie Hebdo published the exact same cartoon denigrating Islam, yet no one was jailed for it. Did you people even read the article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myreflections 3,232 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 It's hypocrisy because Charlie Hebdo published the exact same cartoon denigrating Islam, yet no one was jailed for it. Did you people even read the article? i heard their last number of the magazine or something is being sold online at WOW prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeyoh 43 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 honestly what is happening to this world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PShell 1,522 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 i heard their last number of the magazine or something is being sold online at WOW prices. okay, looking into it they have a law against "defending terrorism" so the arrests and charges make sense under that. I don't like hate speech or such laws but in this case it makes sense under these circumstances. Arresting people who support the terrorism seems intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guava 6,874 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Did hebdo cartoons call for killing people or celebrate it? Is there a line between criticism and celebration of terrorism? The original cartoon was calling for killing people. "The Koran is shit, it doesn't stop bullets" How is that not threatening? The jailed teenagers cartoon for comparison. "Charlie Hedo is shit, he doesn't stop bullets" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myreflections 3,232 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Did hebdo cartoons call for killing people or celebrate it? Is there a line between criticism and celebration of terrorism? it did. they had a cartoon made out of an Egyptian protestant being shot. they mocked death and religion In their cartoons they constantly mocked religion this isn't okay either. but this was sold and allowed. that's why hypocrisy. i don't see how the kid was defending terrorism. he was showing them how it feels. cause that's how Muslims felt seeing that cover. well that's how french people feel seeing the kid's version of it. if it ain't okay to do it to the French, it ain't okay to do it to the Muslims that's the point we made and he got jailed for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ties 55 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Makes sense. I don't see a problem with this. There is a difference here - Celebrating and saying the terrorist act was justified vs - Celebrating free speech and denouncing terrorism One is generally a peaceful thing and the other is calling for the destruction of France. I can see why they don't like people who celebrate the murders of innocent people. - Encouraging the death of French people vs. - Encouraging the death of Islamic people Same message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PShell 1,522 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 - Encouraging the death of French people vs. - Encouraging the death of Islamic people Same message. not equivalent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ties 55 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 not equivalent So, they're not equivalent because one is a political satire versus a political satire or are they not equivalent because one criticizes Muslims rather than the French? You see, I know you're a troll. That much is clear. But it is absolutely disgusting how you would troll an issue like this and how the moderation staff still has not disposed of you, judging by your post history, is guilty of hating a multitude of different types of people not similar to your own kind. It's a disgusting mindset and I sincerely hope that you are wiped off the face of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PShell 1,522 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 So, they're not equivalent because one is a political satire versus a political satire or are they not equivalent because one criticizes Muslims rather than the French? You see, I know you're a troll. That much is clear. But it is absolutely disgusting how you would troll an issue like this and how the moderation staff still has not disposed of you, judging by your post history, is guilty of hating a multitude of different types of people not similar to your own kind. It's a disgusting mindset and I sincerely hope that you are wiped off the face of this forum. It's in France, defending terrorism from Al Qaeda / ISIS against French citizens. Do the math. In America it might fly but hate speech laws and defending terrorism laws aren't going to allow that in Europe. It's not really hypocritical either. Charlie Hebdo never killed anyone or had any threat to kill muslims, they punished harmless cartoons. Terrorists on the other hand have killed people and just did. By siding with the terrorists who the government has declared war on you should probably be arrested, deported, or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ties 55 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 It's in France, defending terrorism from Al Qaeda / ISIS against French citizens. Do the math. In America it might fly but hate speech laws and defending terrorism laws aren't going to allow that in Europe. That's a lie. If anything America is much more strict when it comes to issues concerning terrorism. It's even stipulated in the Constitution that defending acts considered terrorism would label you as a traitor to the nation. And it's egregious to consider this hate speech - especially because the image that the French youth posted satirizes the original image. He's trying to elucidate to the people that follow his FB feed that Muslims, as a whole, should not be taken action against simply because of the immoral, destructive actions of the few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubbie 36 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 The original cartoon was calling for killing people. "The Koran is shit, it doesn't stop bullets" How is that not threatening? The jailed teenagers cartoon for comparison. "Charlie Hedo is shit, he doesn't stop bullets" I find the Charlie Hebdo cover really good, I think it's mostly denouncing the killings & religious extremism at the same time, but that's my reading of it. The other dude's version is nice, it would have made them smile I think. I think Charlie Hebdo published another similar cover about the Holocaust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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