G-B ppl, do you refer to yourself as British or English/Irish/etc.?

[Gloupipoo]

Do you prefer one over the other amd why?

[indiechingu]

I just say British

[Teru]

Ireland isn't in Great Britain, why would an Irish person call themself British?

[NewEvolution]

I say French tbh

[Gloupipoo]

Ireland isn't in Great Britain, why would an Irish person call themself British?

I meant wales and scotla d sorry4baka

[sane]

Everybody I know from the UK says they're British.

[......]

i don't care...because i'm from England...

 

so you can call me British or English...

Some English people, prefer to be called English over British... but if it's strong preference... i find it's usually politics/nationalism. 

 

I usually say... safe side, particularly to people who are foreign and visiting GB... is to refer to people as British by default, or ask where they are from.
Scots and Welsh for instance... are British... but they are not necessarily automatically English.

 

Edit: ...and (just noticing) Irish are neither of these things btw.... they are part of the UK...not Great Britain.

[Gloupipoo]

i don't care...because i'm from England...

 

so you can call me British or English...

Some English people, prefer to be called English over British... but if it's strong preference... i find it's usually politics/nationalism.

 

I usually say... safe side, particularly to people who are foreign and visiting GB... is to refer to people as British by default, or ask where they are from.

Scots and Welsh for instance... are British... but they are not necessarily automatically English.

 

Edit: ...and (just noticing) Irish are neither of these things btw.... they are part of the UK...not Great Britain.

Alrdy replied bout Ireland but I'm on mobile and lazy af (2:30am y'know) so I'll change it 2moro

[Teru]

i don't care...because i'm from England...

 

so you can call me British or English...

Some English people, prefer to be called English over British... but if it's strong preference... i find it's usually politics/nationalism. 

 

I usually say... safe side, particularly to people who are foreign and visiting GB... is to refer to people as British by default, or ask where they are from.

Scots and Welsh for instance... are British... but they are not necessarily automatically English.

 

Edit: ...and (just noticing) Irish are neither of these things btw.... they are part of the UK...not Great Britain.

 

only Northern Ireland is part of the UK, for the record... I'm sure you personally are aware but it depresses me the amount of people I come across who sadly aren't and seem to be totally oblivious despite all the well-documented troubles we've had. my poor nation's republic status goes unnoticed despite being independent for over 90 years...

[notascuteastaeng]

Ireland isn't part of the uk however northern Ireland is. And to answer you question i say British except when I'm talking to another Brit.

 

 

[Gloupipoo]

only Northern Ireland is part of the UK, for the record... I'm sure you personally are aware but it depresses me the amount of people I come across who sadly aren't and seem to be totally oblivious despite all the well-documented troubles we've had. my poor nation's republic status goes unnoticed despite being independent for over 90 years...

Lmao I know about Ireland, my Grandma is from there. I also know about Northern Ireland and their messy 90s past lol

 

But the UK, GB and Britain terms are often confusing for foreigners

 

I also think most nationalistic peeps tend to refer to themselves as Irish/Scottish/English/etc. more than anything

[Teru]

Lmao I know about Ireland, my Grandma is from there. I also know about Northern Ireland and their messy 90s past lol

 

But the UK, GB and Britain terms are often confusing for foreigners

 

I also think most nationalistic peeps tend to refer to themselves as Irish/Scottish/English/etc. more than anything

 

your grandma being from Ireland doesn't make you any more of an expert or provide any especial insight than anyone else, lol. our diaspora is huge and far outnumbers the actual at-home population. everyone's grandma is from Ireland :p that's why we survive on your tourist moneys

 

re: NI and the Troubles, it wasn't just the 90s. it goes back hundreds of years and pretty much defines the entirety of our history and cultural identity. the 90s was when it finally started alleviating slightly, though it's still ongoing even now but people outside of Ireland barely pay attention anymore because there's no foreseeable solution in sight so it doesn't get reported in news much nowadays.

 

well of course Irish people refer to themselves as Irish. there's nothing else they'd call themselves. we're not British in any sense and called an Irish person British would be an extreme faux pas considering our very contentious history

 

anyways... as an Irish person living in England currently... most people from here on the street talking to you will call themselves English in casual terms but will use British for formal occasions like filling out forms and applications, in reference to national collective entities like athletic teams, institutions etc. mostly because it's just what they're used to.

 

while it's true that nationalistic types tend to emphasise English or Scottish or whatever over British, it doesn't mean that everyone who refers to themself as either is especially nationalistic or against being called British. it's just what they identify with.

 

"British" can be too vague for a lot of people, especially when the rest of the world tends to correlate "British" with "English" alone. Scottish and Welsh people tend to want to assert their cultural identity when they can, so they're not lumped in with English stuff they can't actually relate to or represent. which makes sense to me. in return I'd consider them Scottish or etc first before I'd call them British, even if British is also technically correct. unless I'm talking about geography or something I find "British" to be overly generalised

[Gloupipoo]

your grandma being from Ireland doesn't make you any more of an expert or provide any especial insight than anyone else, lol. our diaspora is huge and far outnumbers the actual at-home population. everyone's grandma is from Ireland :p that's why we survive on your tourist moneys

 

re: NI and the Troubles, it wasn't just the 90s. it goes back hundreds of years and pretty much defines the entirety of our history and cultural identity. the 90s was when it finally started alleviating slightly, though it's still ongoing even now but people outside of Ireland barely pay attention anymore because there's no foreseeable solution in sight so it doesn't get reported in news much nowadays.

 

well of course Irish people refer to themselves as Irish. there's nothing else they'd call themselves. we're not British in any sense and called an Irish person British would be an extreme faux pas considering our very contentious history

 

anyways... as an Irish person living in England currently... most people from here on the street talking to you will call themselves English in casual terms but will use British for formal occasions like filling out forms and applications, in reference to national collective entities like athletic teams, institutions etc. mostly because it's just what they're used to.

 

while it's true that nationalistic types tend to emphasise English or Scottish or whatever over British, it doesn't mean that everyone who refers to themself as either is especially nationalistic or against being called British. it's just what they identify with.

 

"British" can be too vague for a lot of people, especially when the rest of the world tends to correlate "British" with "English" alone. Scottish and Welsh people tend to want to assert their cultural identity when they can, so they're not lumped in with English stuff they can't actually relate to or represent. which makes sense to me. in return I'd consider them Scottish or etc first before I'd call them British, even if British is also technically correct. unless I'm talking about geography or something I find "British" to be overly generalised

Who said it made me an expert tho? It's just that my grandma despised English ppl a lot and was very proud of being Irish etc. etc. lol

 

And yeah the diaspora is huuuuuge. There's lots of Irish in Quebec, and it makes up a good part of our cultural identity as well

 

Haven't looked into NI's history but I know it's always been a mess and has slowed down since the Good Friday agreement

 

As for the cultural identity part, I can relate it to Quebec a lot... Most people here will call themselves a quebecer first and foremost, but as Canadian on official govt stuff

[Teru]

Who said it made me an expert tho? It's just that my grandma despised English ppl a lot and was very proud of being Irish etc. etc. lol

 

And yeah the diaspora is huuuuuge. There's lots of Irish in Quebec, and it makes up a good part of our cultural identity as well

 

Haven't looked into NI's history but I know it's always been a mess and has slowed down since the Good Friday agreement

 

As for the cultural identity part, I can relate it to Quebec a lot... Most people here will call themselves a quebecer first and foremost, but as Canadian on official govt stuff

 

then why say it? having an Irish relative doesn't mean you know anything about Ireland except that you have a relative from there, just sayin. I mean, you included Ireland in a topic about GB, to which it is currently unrelated, so clearly one of the major facts about Ireland slipped your mind despite apparently having a tie to it... so...

 

maybe I sound harsh but I get so many people coming to my country assuming they know all about it because they're Irish-Whatever and the majority of them are totally clueless and addled by stereotypes and exaggerated family stories and so insufferably patronising and condescending to us about our own country and history that it's honestly become a bone of contention back home because it happens so often... there aren't many actual Irish-from-Ireland people so it's impossible to stem the flow of misunderstandings too. so people telling me about their Irish connections is honestly the last thing they should do because I've heard it a hundred and one times before, lol

 

the Irish diaspora is so big and far-reaching that imo it's become a culture unto itself, because Irish-from-Ireland people can't relate to them at all. Irish-Americans and Canadians and such are completely foreign to me and I feel like I have little, if any common cultural heritage or connection with them at all beyond surnames and Catholicism. I guess it's a shock for them when they visit, because they're "Irish" at home, but to us they're American or whatever and always will be no matter what generation they are, and they often have a hard time dealing with the lack of acceptance from the home country or w/e... we're still friendly of course but we're not as an embracing a bosom as people tend to think

 

anyways I'm tangenting

[Gloupipoo]

then why say it? having an Irish relative doesn't mean you know anything about Ireland except that you have a relative from there, just sayin. I mean, you included Ireland in a topic about GB, to which it is currently unrelated, so clearly one of the major facts about Ireland slipped your mind despite apparently having a tie to it... so...

 

maybe I sound harsh but I get so many people coming to my country assuming they know all about it because they're Irish-Whatever and the majority of them are totally clueless and addled by stereotypes and exaggerated family stories and so insufferably patronising and condescending to us about our own country and history that it's honestly become a bone of contention back home because it happens so often... there aren't many actual Irish-from-Ireland people so it's impossible to stem the flow of misunderstandings too. so people telling me about their Irish connections is honestly the last thing they should do because I've heard it a hundred and one times before, lol

 

the Irish diaspora is so big and far-reaching that imo it's become a culture unto itself, because Irish-from-Ireland people can't relate to them at all. Irish-Americans and Canadians and such are completely foreign to me and I feel like I have little, if any common cultural heritage or connection with them at all beyond surnames and Catholicism. I guess it's a shock for them when they visit, because they're "Irish" at home, but to us they're American or whatever and always will be no matter what generation they are, and they often have a hard time dealing with the lack of acceptance from the home country or w/e... we're still friendly of course but we're not as an embracing a bosom as people tend to think

 

anyways I'm tangenting

I'm on mobile and it's 3:30 am so I'll reply after reading it tomorrow morning

[......]

only Northern Ireland is part of the UK, for the record... I'm sure you personally are aware but it depresses me the amount of people I come across who sadly aren't and seem to be totally oblivious despite all the well-documented troubles we've had. my poor nation's republic status goes unnoticed despite being independent for over 90 years...

 

sorry for not specifying but i was only correcting broadly and in passing ... that Ireland is not GB at all...and that she must mean UK (at the least). I should have specified N.Ireland specifically but I guess i didn't think to expand.

 

I realise it was disrespectful. Apologies.

 

Edit: since this has turned into a more analysed topic, i'd expand upon my post...

 

- I say call people "Britsh" to foreigners, because, unless they are good at picking up dialects, it is the only way for them to likely not wrongly address someone in GB...especially when you are in say, London. Ofc, if you are in Wales and know the people around you are Welsh, refer to them as such, same with the Scottish in Scotland.

 

- Nationalism w/in specific classification. As i said, above, to refer to people specifically by their nation is the right thing if you know it... but i have found that, people who take offense to... or have a strong disapprobation towards being called British... tend to do so because they have nationalistic opinions.

[Teru]

sorry for not specifying but i was only correcting broadly and in passing ... that Ireland is not GB at all...and that she must mean UK (at the least). I should have specified N.Ireland specifically but I guess i didn't think to expand.

 

I realise it was disrespectful. Apologies.

 

it's cool, I figured you knew, I just wanted to clarify for anyone else reading the thread in case they were confused lol. thanks for your consideration though, it's appreciated