renmyster 439 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I was looking at this thread: http://onehallyu.com/topic/123651-2014-recochoku-year-end-charts/. It's the Year End Charts in Japan, looking at physical and digital sales. Top 100 acts. Only 3 Kpop groups were on the chart: TVXQ > Big Bang > SNSD out of the 100 acts. But when you go into threads from groups who debut in Japan everyone's all 'omg they did so well!' 'yes they're slaying Japan!' And it's like....are they? I mean, what qualifies as 'doing well' in that case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DivaBoo 1,480 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I think they mean they're doing well for their debut. Not overall. We have to give them more time to see how they do overall in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alllysone 3,343 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Fans exaggerate our favs's successes everywhere tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlayingSeohyun 6,688 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Selling a few k by appealing to a small niche is 'success' apparently. Of course, it's grossly over-exaggerated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen_ki 11,021 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Fans exaggerate our favs's successes everywhere tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamar braxton 151 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 nope kpop slays japan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooyoung's Wife 3,713 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargazer1 460 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Both the fans and the Korean Media exaggerate. I see many posts of fans talking how their favs are slaying Japan when the general Japanese public doesn't even care about their favs. Their favs only maybe popular with the Kpop niche in Japan but not the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deviandrepepe 6,559 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 A success is determined by the expectation you have. IF there Bias do better then there expectation and it's worth it then, Ofc it's a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariya 1,780 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Since when KPop is about Music? It's all about fandom, bragging and chart position. The "SLAY" word is overused so do Underrated and Overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeTaeyong 4,086 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 who are you talking about? The only people I see who talk about their faves success in Japan are the ones who's faves are successful in Japan (ie the ones you mentioned) But yeah I see your point somehow. Just cause it's japan doesn't mean it's some distant land where we can't even look up their music charts and ranking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blonde Jeonghan 2,387 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Personally I consider success meaning doing as well as or better than in Korea. even if it's "just kpop fans and not the general public", it's still real people who buy the albums and listen to the music and support the activities, and that's the important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Enlightened One 83 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 it's exactly why kamilias think that kara is still relevant in japan just because they had a successful song once in 2011 doesn't mean they're the """"queens of slay"""" in japan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
continuum 993 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Since when KPop is about Music? It's all about fandom, bragging and chart position. The "SLAY" word is overused so do Underrated and Overrated. That's the part of kpop I'm trying to push myself away from and try to dissociate from. I think it would be nice if all of us could move in that direction... Too bad kpop companies market their idols in ways that make it impossible I honestly think KPOP has good music even though it's heavily influenced by many other genres. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exone 5,977 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 When fans are happy and proud they do tend to exaggerate at times yes, like for example I don't think most EXO-L think EXO are that popular in Japan. They haven't even debut there yet and the only had their own concerts there last month. It's just that when the response is better than expected to fans I think they might exaggerate. Also when they media/company is constantly saying that they're doing well, others (esp fans) start to believe it as well since they can't always witness it 1st hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay234 1,137 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 yes they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Swanson 6,677 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Yeah by looking at Oricon lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sane 16,342 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 No, my bias is literally a deity just not in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyutiemir22 567 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Fans exaggerate our favs's successes everywhere tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryokonicheiress 5,833 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I was informed by a professor who studies/researchs in Japan that kpop is popular over there. I trust his knowledge *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpoke X 1,319 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Lol, ok sometimes charts don't really reflect popularity. So that "niche" means a lot. Some idol groups in Japan sell huge amount of CDs and do well on Oricon, but they can't even hold a large concert. Why? Because they have a kind of fan that can buy 100 copies of the same CD, which doesn't mean you have lots of fans, just fans who buy many CDs. Then also goes the hype building "we sold a lot, we popular." Lot's of successful kpop groups have fans that are willing to buy CDs that cost a lot, buy multiple versions, buy merchandise, go to concerts (which make most of the money). So they can often be really successful despite not having their name dragged in the media, being on TV etc. Remember fandom>>>>public relevance in kpop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpoke X 1,319 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 lol dp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidmin 115 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 if its not TVXQ, its exaggerate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ariya 1,780 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 That's the part of kpop I'm trying to push myself away from and try to dissociate from. I think it would be nice if all of us could move in that direction... Too bad kpop companies market their idols in ways that make it impossible I honestly think KPOP has good music even though it's heavily influenced by many other genres. I didn't deny that I come to KPop because I like the music songs. But fandom culture with so many its dynamics influence the fans in so many way. That show in this forum for example. I think we're off topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
continuum 993 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I didn't deny that I come to KPop because I like the music songs. But fandom culture with so many its dynamics influence the fans in so many way. That show in this forum for example. I think we're off topic Lol, I didn't even read the OP and I just replied to your comment when I saw it oop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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