jelly97bean 172 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I was listenting to Kris's song on youtube and this popped up (for those who don't wanna watch, it's Hangeng's story about how he got sick before an awards show, was taken to the hospital where he was supposed to use an IV drip, and the manager forcibly quicken the process of the contents of the IV tube entering his blood before realizing they had no more time and removing it from him): It reminds me of how TS couldn't leave Daehyun in the hospital and forced him to perform. I feel bad for this situation, especially because there are probably more companies that make their idols go through this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoshiStar 1,650 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 well....atleast SM paid them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixen 8,635 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 well....atleast SM paid them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutella 6,108 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 well....atleast SM paid them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arceersro 1,004 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 the only difference is SM has the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOO MOO 1,266 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 well....atleast SM paid them & didn't turn up at a meeting drunk, while refusing to give them info about their income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilhoonssidechick 1,280 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 In due time the dirt from other agencies will be brought to light. We are on the brink of a revolution. #Justiceforallouropparunnies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhateverBitch 1,844 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Please no. B.A.P were basically living in poverty, SM's idols get paid (and pretty well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serenee 3,730 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 SM works them to the bone, but at the end of the day, the idols from their company are going to get rich and famous (sometimes we really underestimate their income). I can't say the same about the small companies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoshiStar 1,650 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 & didn't turn up at a meeting drunk, while refusing to give them info about their income. the real meaning of shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preciousjannah 1,332 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 TS just on the new level of oppression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dianun 2,094 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Not really at least SM paid Luhan and Kris. If you put them together LuLu and YiYi made more than 1 million in the last 2 years. B.A.P on the other only made 6,000 if you put each members earnings together in only 3 years. So in my opinion what you are saying is crap:DD With all respect. EDIT : And Kris and Luhan left for health reasons not money reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionRock 1,529 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 The industry as a whole has really crappy conditions for idols. TS and SM aren't the only companies to blame. If BAP's suit ends up becoming a success it's only a matter of time before other idols start doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilesa 1,518 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 The main reason they left is they found out they can earn lot of money in China without working themselves to exhaustion and mental fatigue. The level of popularity they've reached as EXO members, facilitated their decision to leave and launch themselves in the Chinese entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faye사랑 896 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 well....atleast SM paid them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalala 414 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Look most idols are in their late teens and early 20s, if they aren't in school, this gives them a job to do. They are not "celebrities", they're employees businessmen hire to turn a profit. Z:ea, a C-list group got paid $25,000 a year, which is the AVERAGE INCOME in Korea given their cost of living. That's equivalent to $50,000 in the US basically. BAP and Block B were ripped off because they were simply not paid a single dime for a prolonged period of time. Big companies like SM/YG/JYP don't have break even points like TS. Most rookie idols would only make around the $20-30K range if they don't tour. As fans it should be very easy to tell if your idols are making a lot by counting their CFs and concerts in which the majority of the money coming in is profit. Everything else accumulates more expense than revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilesa 1,518 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 If BAP's suit ends up becoming a success it's only a matter of time before other idols start doing the same. and what they will do next? do you think Korean companies are so eager to take idols already launched by other Korean agency? Korean entertainment companies probably have their "union". Without an agency it would be difficult for them to continue in k-entertainment, they will be lost in anonymity. An artist like G-Dragon can afford to leave YG, because he is a brand and have money to form his own agency, but a group like AOA can't. ( I understand AOA didn't earn anything in the first three years) Very few can afford to leave and continue in k-entertainment. I'm really curious what will happen with BAP. I think someone promised them something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellshia 3,438 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 EDIT : And Kris and Luhan left for health reasons not money reasons That photo of Kris in the hospital got all the pity votes he needed but I ain't buying that. Maybe he was ill at a point, but someone who quit for health reasons wouldn't actively be taking up acting roles in movies and releasing MVs. He figured he has a lot of fans in China and he can sustain there. Same for Luhan. Why slog in a foreign country when you have massive popularity in your hometown? that's the reason they left. Also, both of them mentioned in their statements that their income wasn't divided properly and SM was being partial with promotions, so they basically admitted that money was one of the reasons for their suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf 996 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Please no. B.A.P were basically living in poverty, SM's idols get paid (and pretty well). SM idols earn way more compared to B.A.P and other idols from small companies, so ofc they'll get paid more too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf 996 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 That photo of Kris in the hospital got all the pity votes he needed but I ain't buying that. Maybe he was ill at a point, but someone who quit for health reasons wouldn't actively be taking up acting roles in movies and releasing MVs. He figured he has a lot of fans in China and he can sustain there. Same for Luhan. Why slog in a foreign country when you have massive popularity in your hometown? that's the reason they left. Also, both of them mentioned in their statements that their income wasn't divided properly and SM was being partial with promotions, so they basically admitted that money was one of the reasons for their suit. Did u even see the difference in Luhan and Kris since they left SM? They look so much better and healthier now. (+it was said that SM never even allowed Kris to go to the hospital when they were in Korea, we only saw both Luhan and Kris go to hospitals when exo went to other countries for some schedule.) The both of them have always had health problems, it was already so obvious in 2013. So, yes, health was definitely one of the reasons why they filed it. And them saying that the income wasnt divided properly doesnt always mean its the money they care about, its basically saying something along the lines of SM being unfair again. So their reasons were; unfair treatment, health and discrimination(yes, Luhan said this in his contract) And honestly, they wouldve become more popular all around the world if they stayed in exo. But maybe Kris liked acting way more than being an idol lol.(and u know he wasnt even allowedto do that, like SM turned down every offer Kris received) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionRock 1,529 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 and what they will do next? do you think Korean companies are so eager to take idols already launched by other Korean agency? Korean entertainment companies probably have their "union". Without an agency it would be difficult for them to continue in k-entertainment, they will be lost in anonymity. An artist like G-Dragon can afford to leave YG, because he is a brand and have money to form his own agency, but a group like AOA can't. ( I understand AOA didn't earn anything in the first three years) Very few can afford to leave and continue in k-entertainment. Lesser known groups like AOA will probably struggle if they ever decide to sue in the same manner as BAP, however, I don't agree with the Korean entertainment companies having a "union". The K-pop industry is extremely competitive. Companies are constantly on the lookout to poach capable artists. It's like the easy way out. If a successful artist with a brand like G-Dragon wants to terminate his contract and sue his agency, I am sure there will be a line of other companies out there who are all very willing to help him pay all the legal fees and take him under their wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dianun 2,094 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 That photo of Kris in the hospital got all the pity votes he needed but I ain't buying that. Maybe he was ill at a point, but someone who quit for health reasons wouldn't actively be taking up acting roles in movies and releasing MVs. He figured he has a lot of fans in China and he can sustain there. Same for Luhan. Why slog in a foreign country when you have massive popularity in your hometown? that's the reason they left. Also, both of them mentioned in their statements that their income wasn't divided properly and SM was being partial with promotions, so they basically admitted that money was one of the reasons for their suit. Yes they said that but that wasn't my point, they also said they main reason was for their health too or did you forget that? Everyone knows they have more fans in China but again that wasn't my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maj 746 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Lesser known groups like AOA will probably struggle if they ever decide to sue in the same manner as BAP, however, I don't agree with the Korean entertainment companies having a "union". The K-pop industry is extremely competitive. Companies are constantly on the lookout to poach capable artists. It's like the easy way out. If a successful artist with a brand like G-Dragon wants to terminate his contract and sue his agency, I am sure there will be a line of other companies out there who are all very willing to help him pay all the legal fees and take him under their wing. Yes, but will an agency be prepared to take on an idol (or idol group) who has just shown enough courage to sue their bosses and go through with it? Not saying people don't have the right to sue/leave if they feel they can't live with the conditions/if a company isn't sticking to a contract but from business perspective those are probably not perspective obedient employees majority (all really, but some are willing to compromise for other factors) of agencies want. So that could be a real problem for the artists and it's probably one of the major points why more don't sue/leave: just look at the blockades against artist who did leave; yes jyj is a classic example but it's not like they are the only one it's just that SM has enough power to do more/jyj are famous enough for the industry to bother making a point of them. I mean, that's not really because people just want to be mean to jyj, that's because they don't want other artists taking them as too much of a role models. Just look at Hangeng case - since he went to China, Korean companies had no way to block him and his success WAS an influence in Kris's and Luhan's leaving. I mean, didn't one of them even pick the same lawyer? It all depends on the market value of an artist - basically if the fanbase they bring with is worth the potential troubles. Nobody will bother with artist that just have artistic potential, that's a cold hard truth because idol agencies are business first even if some like to push forward their artistic integrity. And G-Dragon is a special case - he's probably one (and most likely only) case that could leave and just set up his agency and continue without any fear of interruptions (unless of course YG holds some extra dirt on him which is always possible - I'm not saying that because he's GD, that could be true for any artist). He has lots of money & lots of fame in several countries & big fanbase & public considers him talented. He could put out sounds of his car motor running and then put it on stage to perform and it would sell like crazy and people would call it art - there are not many people that have reached that class. So in conclusion, it would be nice if talented people from agencies that mistreat then were taken in by better agencies but that's not exactly a sure prospect and smaller groups probably don't dare risk it. It's fine if you are Kris and you have tens of thousands waiting in China to throw their money at you (with potential for much more) but for an idol A from a group B that sells a couple of thousands CD's at most to continue to strive in the same market it could be quite difficult. The only really effective way out of this that I can see is much stricter work law and regulations and even that can only do so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clownny 179 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 well....atleast SM paid them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhateverBitch 1,844 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 SM idols earn way more compared to B.A.P and other idols from small companies, so ofc they'll get paid more too Yeah, that's the point. TS and SM aren't the same when it comes to money. Just look at EXO, compared to BAP they're getting paid very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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