Do you count album+repack sales as sales for one album or do you consider them to be two separate albums?

[sasha]

started wondering about how to count album sales because of yesterday's mess regarding DBSJ not being nominated for GDA this year.

 

 

so things that got me confused:

 

1) idk what repack is. i would consider it to be one of the version of album, similiar to japanese albums that have N versions (e.c. A ver - CD only, B - CD+DVD, C - CD+DVD), if not for the way repack is released and promoted: weeks after original album with full-fledged promotion on music shows. plus there are often fansigns being held specifically for repack. 

 

2) the way GDA includes full-length albums with repack, full-length albums without repack and EPs in one category, while calculating album+repack as one album. seems a bit fucked up cause albums with repacks automatically have 40-60% boost in sales and judging criteria for disk daesang: judge - 10%, vote - 20%, album sales - 70%

  

edit: ok i find a hanteo related article where repack is reffered to as C ver of album (original release had two ver A&B). so basically the same albums gimmick as for japanese albums but with addition of extra promo circle for repack title track.

[kpoopoo]

i agree that it's unfair, along with counting album sales with multiple versions

[abra]

Ideally you'd count 50% of the repackaged album's numbers.

[LunarE]

1. Extension of album.

2. Album + Repack.

 

imo

[Guest Kami_removed]

It's the same album 1 extra song doesn't fucking change that.

[LionRock]

But some EPs do get repackaged/reissued though? Big Bang's Alive EP had a repackage. SJM's Perfection EP also had a repackage but that doesn't really count because it wasn't a Korean release.

 

I think it's fair to include albums+repackages as one because repackages are still the same album, just an extended version. If Japan counts all those gimmicky CD + DVD versions as one then it's only fair that repackages are counted too. Some albums in the United States also get repackages/reissues, like Katy Perry's Teenage Dream.

 

Either people start making more repackages for their EPs or GDA shuld include a separate category for EPs, which is really overkill but IDK it's fair I guess?

[SAUCY]

same as original album

there's hardly any significant change to make it a different album, but the small perks can make it sell more....i just see it as album with additional marketing. I wouldn't penalise an album for advertising itself certain ways so I don't really care if repacks are counted together.  

[STORM]

I think its fair to count the two differently because the Repack usually have 2 or 3 new songs. The companies know the fans will buy the Repack album just for the 2 0r 3 new songs to support their biases. It"s just a gimmick that companies like SM use to inflate the sales number for the albums at the expense of the diehard fans. Different versions of an album should be counted as one because they still have the same songs but they may have different covers or other items but the music doesn't change. 

[Hyukjae]

1. Extension of album

2. Album + repack

[indigo]

An album with 2 or 3 new tracks is still the same album. (unless you think deluxe and standard editions are different albums?) 

 

A sale is a sale. 

[sasha]

But some EPs do get repackaged/reissued though? Big Bang's Alive EP had a repackage. SJM's Perfection EP also had a repackage but that doesn't really count because it wasn't a Korean release.

 

I think it's fair to include albums+repackages as one because repackages are still the same album, just an extended version. If Japan counts all those gimmicky CD + DVD versions as one then it's only fair that repackages are counted too. Some albums in the United States also get repackages/reissues, like Katy Perry's Teenage Dream.

 

Either people start making more repackages for their EPs or GDA shuld include a separate category for EPs, which is really overkill but IDK it's fair I guess?

 

those gimmicky versions in japan are all realesed at the same time and don't have separate promotions though.

 

also to my knowledge there're certain mechanisms for marketing strategies on charts: like oricon counts all versions as one but counts just certain percentage of albums that are sold at concert/fansign venues; soundcloud counts all versions as separate items and, if i don't mistake, japan billboard awards are based on soundcloud chart.

[sasha]

It's the same album 1 extra song doesn't fucking change that.

 

1 extra song that has its own promotion for a repack that is majorly bought by the same ppl that bought the original version: fans. well for me it changes a lot lol but i guess ppl have different opinion.

[Guest Kami_removed]

1 extra song that has its own promotion for a repack that is majorly bought by the same ppl that bought the original version: fans. well for me it changes a lot lol but i guess ppl have different opinion.

all albums are bought by fans now a day

 

so whats your point 

[ariel]

1. extension

2. don't really care either way. but consistency in applying the judging criteria is more important imo  

[sasha]

all albums are bought by fans now a day

 

so whats your point 

my point is to make it as fair as it could be and not a pissing contest between fandoms aka fanprojects/buying multiple copies madness.

 

or at least to not compare albums with and without repacks in one category. cause it's just dumb.

[LionRock]

those gimmicky versions in japan are all realesed at the same time and don't have separate promotions though.

 

also to my knowledge there're certain mechanisms for marketing strategies on charts: like oricon counts all versions as one but counts just certain percentage of albums that are sold at concert/fansign venues; soundcloud counts all versions as separate items and, if i don't mistake, japan billboard awards are based on soundcloud chart.

 

you mean soundscan? lol yeah, I see what you mean. 

 

Gaon Awards is the equivalent of Japan's Billboard. Gaon Awards counts albums and repackages separately. Sales is a huge part of the GDA but not 100% like the Gaon Awards.

 

I don't really consider the repackage promotions in K-pop as a separate promo cycle. In USA, J-pop, and C-pop industries each album release have several single releases. In K-pop, it just so happens that the extra single is bundled with a repackage release. 

[Teru]

same album with a couple of extra songs - some people wait for the repackage to come out before they buy which would explain the inflated sales. it's usually just dedicated fans who buy both

 

I personally count them together. I don't mind if awards shows don't so long as they apply the same criteria to all

[____shawnee]

lemme think

[sasha]

you mean soundscan? lol yeah, I see what you mean. 

 

Gaon Awards is the equivalent of Japan's Billboard. Gaon Awards counts albums and repackages separately. Sales is a huge part of the GDA but not 100% like the Gaon Awards.

 

I don't really consider the repackage promotions in K-pop as a separate promo cycle. In USA, J-pop, and C-pop industries each album release have several single releases. In K-pop, it just so happens that the extra single is bundled with a repackage release. 

lol shit yeah soundscan.

 

well maybe. but it's not like they combine those several single sales together with album at the end of the day.

[�SHERRY�]

imo repack is an extension of a album but it is still a 2 different album. I mean the title of the repack is different . but i dont really care if an award show count it together, it is their award they can count it however they want.

[PikaPikachu]

I count the different versions + repackaged as one. 

 

What I don't count together is for example EXO K + M sales together. So for example I count EXO K ver A + ver B + repacked = 1 album and EXO M ver A + ver B + repackaged = another album.

 

EXO K and M are too different sub-units so I never count their sales together. It would be like counting TTS sales with SNSD. 

[Nada]

 

1. Extension of album.

2. Album + Repack.

 

imo

 

[Tina_ELF]

1. Extension of the album - because that's what it is esentially, the exact same album extended by a few songs;

2. I don't really have preferences about this point - all I can say is the awards show itself should decide at the beginning how the counting goes and then stick to it's own criteria without flailing around.

[Curics]

Repackage is technically the same album, it contains all the original tracks of the regular version plus a few additional features like new song(s) in the case of Super Junior and SM and also of loads of international artists like One Direction, Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus and Beyoncé for exemple. Also I mostly don't consider repackage a gimmick especially for groups like Super Junior when the buyers (fandom + non-fans and casual fans) already antecipate the release of repackage album that will contain a few additional tracks because that's how SM has been doing to Suju since their 2nd album Don't Don. Buyers, already knowing that the repackage alone will contain all the tracks, many/most of them weight the opportunity costs and decide to only buy the repackage and, in that sense, the sales aren't gimmicky at all so it's unfair to exclude the numbers out of the calculation. I'm fairly sure GDA had a similar understanding, GDA 2010 and GDA 2011, at least, support this argument. In MAMACITA/This Is Love for exemple, even the 2 promoted tracks - it's actually 1 but since it had 2 MVs then I'm making it 2 - were included in the version A album.

 

What's is gimmicky is to add releases from different groups - with different members for that matter - as if they were one, or even the afore mentioned situation in the paragraph above when done once or twice without making it a pattern for future releases so it doesn't allow buyers to make optimun and less costly decisions.

[sasha]

I count the different versions + repackaged as one. 

 

What I don't count together is for example EXO K + M sales together. So for example I count EXO K ver A + ver B + repacked = 1 album and EXO M ver A + ver B + repackaged = another album.

 

EXO K and M are too different sub-units so I never count their sales together. It would be like counting TTS sales with SNSD. 

 

but using ppl's logic k&m ver are the same albums too? since the tracklists in these versions must be the same thus music is the same too. what different is language.

 

and, while i agree with people that it's korean music award thus logically exo-m should not be counted, i also saw exo-m charting on hanteo and gaon thus, if ppl insist that an award show should use the same criteria for everyone, k&m ver should be counted together as an album overdose by artist exo released in 2 ver in 2014?

 

i don't know how did they count sales for exo last year though.