so OH. draw up a contract that is FAIR and not SLAVE.

[sasha]

Please be realistic.

 

So OH. Kpop music industry, state on 2003-2011(please specify the exact year).

 

You are offering your FAIR contract to idol group that've been in training in your company, average for 2-4 yrs.

 

You're investing in their debut in SK plus, possibly, some foreign country(Japan/China/etc.).

 

You're taking investments risks.

 

Draw up a contract that'll increase the possibility of your group reaching a commercial success and lessen the possibility of not returning your investments while being fair for idols:

 

 

1) workload (obligatory number of albums/singles per year, promotion activity, touring, etc.)

2) profit distribution (% of net profit  for domestic and foreign activity: album sales, tours, cf, tv appearances, merchandise sales

3) duration

4) freedoms (publicity, canceling on events, artistic freedom)

 

[removed929393303]

lol the users on here don't know shit about contracts 

 

this is silly 

[hallah]

i mean

 

why tho

[Jeffrey Jung]

lol the users on here don't know shit about contracts

 

this is silly

[sasha]

i mean

 

why tho

why not?

 

everyone here seems to know how fair contracts are supposed to look

 

i don't

 

i can only talk about effective management and profitability and other unimportant shit

[酒�]

im not a manager or any executive company

 

lol the users on here don't know shit about contracts 

 

[sparkilene]

above my paygrade 

[twinky]

you can work out a contract that will benefit all parties to it. fair contract is not something impossible and not attainable

[sasha]

you can work out a contract that will benefit all parties to it. fair contract is not something impossible and not attainable

yep. also 'an equally beneficial' perspective for contracts shifts when big one-sided investments are made. so how much more beneficial for idols contracts must be to not be damned as slavery?

[numanbie]

1:9 with all essential expenses paid for (including unlimited transport in Seoul), liberal contact with anyone who signs a gag contract, and a maximum 900 hours within six months but the idol will be liable for anything that happens during free time which damages the reputation of the artist or group and will recieve no security outside hours.

 

Once all debts are paid off, profit sharing will increase depending on how many other employees are needed to support the band (BIG difference between a 2 member band which composes its own music, and a 10 member band which outsources everything)

[K-kitsune]

"draw up a contract"?? contracts are very wordy, multiple page legal documents... 

 

please be realistic indeed.

[sasha]

"draw up a contract"?? contracts are very wordy, multiple page legal documents... 

 

please be realistic indeed.

i did list clauses that are most problematic to discuss and i obv don't expact it to be drafted in legal form so what is so unrealistic about it

[numanbie]

"draw up a contract"?? contracts are very wordy, multiple page legal documents... 

 

please be realistic indeed.

 

Your sig is amazing!

[K-kitsune]

Your sig is amazing!

 

thank you I know

[sasha]

1:9 with all essential expenses paid for (including unlimited transport in Seoul), liberal contact with anyone who signs a gag contract, and a maximum 900 hours within six months but the idol will be liable for anything that happens during free time which damages the reputation of the artist or group and will recieve no security outside hours.

 

Once all debts are paid off, profit sharing will increase depending on how many other employees are needed to support the band (BIG difference between a 2 member band which composes its own music, and a 10 member band which outsources everything)

 

90% of profit for idols? every paragraph of profit? and duration would be 20 yrs then to return your money?

 

also 900 hrs, which is standard 7 hrs work day, and i guess you included transportation time in this.. cool. why not

[numanbie]

90% of profit for idols? every paragraph of profit? and duration would be 20 yrs then to return your money?

 

also 900 hrs, which is standard 7 hrs work day, and i guess you included transportation time in this.. cool. why not

 

No. 10% of profit to the idols until all debts are paid off (even if they never pay off their debts they get 10%), then it could go up to 90% if they are self supporting (if they've learnt to choreograph themselves, live off their image, and compose their own songs, then why not?)

[cantnobody-]

ofc, we're not going to write a contract but op is pointing out some valid arguments.

 

 

 

You're taking investments risks.

 

Draw up a contract that'll increase the possibility of your group reaching a commercial success and lessen the possibility of not returning your investments while being fair for idols:

 

 

1) workload (obligatory number of albums/singles per year, promotion activity, touring, etc.)

2) profit distribution (% of net profit  for domestic and foreign activity: album sales, tours, cf, tv appearances, merchandise sales

3) duration

4) freedoms (publicity, canceling on events, artistic freedom)

 

honestly kpop as a genre and idols conditions would improve if:

 

1. there were less music shows (this one is purely in "i wish" category bc every station has one so i don't see them giving up)

2. they banned EPs. do album instead - album has to have more than one good song to sell and it takes more time to release an album than ep - less comebacks.

3. raise digital prices

4. tour more in korea. idc, if the audience is 3k, 2k. imo the best way to build fanbase is touring.

 

basically less of everything is the plan. kmarket is way too oversaturated rn. that's the problem.

 

as for companies i'd change the training system. nobody needs to train for 5 years. it's craziness. let those kids go to school. bigger companies could hire voice and dance coaches in bigger cities (like busan for example). 2 hours lessons for day would cost them less getting kids a living place + paying for expenses.

[sasha]

ofc, we're not going to write a contract but op is pointing out some valid arguments.

 

 

 

honestly kpop as a genre and idols conditions would improve if:

 

1. there were less music shows (this one is purely in "i wish" category bc every station has one so i don't see them giving up)

2. they banned EPs. do album instead - album has to have more than one good song to sell and it takes more time to release an album than ep - less comebacks.

3. raise digital prices

4. tour more in korea. idc, if the audience is 3k, 2k. imo the best way to build fanbase is touring.

 

basically less of everything is the plan. kmarket is way too oversaturated rn. that's the problem.

 

as for companies i'd change the training system. nobody needs to train for 5 years. it's craziness. let those kids go to school. bigger companies could hire voice and dance coaches in bigger cities (like busan for example). 2 hours lessons for day would cost them less getting kids a living place + paying for expenses.

 

on EP point. i don't agree with lessening comebacks as it is, but i do think it's better to do like they do in japan: release singles(physical or just digital) with some promotion activity, and then release full album, which is basically a compilation of already promoted singles plus couple of new songs. though it's a bit frustrating for fans i can tell.

[Fanboi]

artist receive at least 4/10 of what they make

 

have at least one comeback a year

 

able to have actual free time , and solo interests

 

no dating unless gay relationships 

[cantnobody-]

on EP point. i don't agree with lessening comebacks as it is, but i do think it's better to do like they do in japan: release singles(physical or just digital) with some promotion activity, and then release full album, which is basically a compilation of already promoted singles plus couple of new songs. though it's a bit frustrating for fans i can tell.

 

no, please.

 

like i understand why but in japan albums ends up to be a clusterfuck of different sounds. 

[sasha]

no, please.

 

like i understand why but in japan albums ends up to be a clusterfuck of different sounds. 

 

lol yeah i know, but at least promotion is huge and they always kind of there even if they release 1 album per yr. for rookies it might work better than EP

[elle]

I want money if I'm gonna do this.

[monologue]

no, please.

 

like i understand why but in japan albums ends up to be a clusterfuck of different sounds. 

 

it doesn't need to be like that to use that model though. In a lot of western countries they do this too, they just don't necessarily release the physical singles anymore. You make the album first, then release the singles with additional bsides. Some singles used to have 3 additional songs on them but one extra song is good enough. You lead with one single, then drop the album, then put out singles 3 and 4 and suddenly you have 4 promoted songs in 1 year off of like 14-20 songs total and everything sounds pretty connected.