Super Junior Group Profile - 2014 Edition

[yet4adored]

Certain roles in Super Junior will never change. Leeteuk will always be our Special Leader, Eunhyuk our Dancing Machine, and Kyuhyun the Evil Maknae, etc.

 

But do their original profiles still stand up after 10 9 years?

• Leeteuk: Leader, Vocalist, Rapper
• Heechul: Vocalist, Rapper
• Yesung: Main Vocalist
• Kangin: Vocalist
• Shindong: Lead Rapper, Lead Dancer
• Sungmin: Lead Vocalist, Lead Dancer
• Eunhyuk: Main Rapper, Main Dancer, Vocalist
• Donghae: Lead Vocalist, Lead Dancer, Rapper
• Siwon: Vocalist, Visual
• Ryeowook: Main Vocalist
• Kyuhyun: Lead Vocalist, Sub-Dancer, Maknae

When you consider 7jibsus's vocal slayage, solos performances, OSTs, side projects, musicals, and other demonstrated abilities, are these the appropriate vocal/rapper designations? Do you agree with the article that recently stated that Yesung was the main and KRS the leads, or was the journalist way off base? Is Shindong really just a rapper? 

 

When you consider promotional materials, general opinion, etc., is Siwon still THE visual, or does the group have more than one? 

 

Sadly, the poll doesn't have enough questions to properly include the dance line, but you're more than welcome to break it down in the comments. Noted dancing machines Yesung, Ryeowook, and Heechul thank you in advance for your support~

 

Vote and make your case! 

[MORDICUS]

Everything remains the same except the Visual.They are all noticeable and endearing in their own ways.Besides, that "visual" title is so childish.

[TiramiQ]

 

 

Kyuhyun: Lead Vocalist

 

 

 

 

anyway, i'd promote Heechul for a lead vocalist. a part of me feels like it is still soon for this but he is going in the right direction, all those adlibs and challenging parts he had in 7jib and him doing Yesung's (and his own) parts justice in SS6 make me think so

 

other than that

 

Leeteuk: Vocalist, lead dancer

Heechul: lead vocalist, lead rapper

Yesung: main vocalist

Kangin: lead vocalist

Shindong: technically he should be a main dancer but his role in SJ is lead dancer

Sungmin: lead vocalist, lead dancer

Eunhyuk: main dancer, main rapper

Donghae: lead vocalist, lead dancer

Siwon, vocalist

Ryeowook: main vocalist

Kyuhyun: main vocalist

[blobfish]

I think everything is still perfectly accurate and for some reason te fact that they're still the same gives me feely-feels.

 

@ Kyuhyun's sub-dancer though. What does that even mean?

[evenastoppedclock321]

Can you even do their dynamics justice now by putting them in such stark categories? IDK, I don't even know what to put for this poll apart from the obvious (main vocalists, main rapper, etc.) because of how versatile they are and how much they've showed us with 7jibsus and SS6 (between the performances themselves and everything that goes on back-stage, from composing to stage direction).

 

Which is, in my opinion, the absolute best kind of problem to have.

 

Also, DancingKyu takes offense to being left out. At least he always remembers the moves   

[yet4adored]

Can you even do their dynamics justice now by putting them in such stark categories? IDK, I don't even know what to put for this poll apart from the obvious (main vocalists, main rapper, etc.) because of how versatile they are and how much they've showed us with 7jibsus and SS6 (between the performances themselves and everything that goes on back-stage, from composing to stage direction).

 

Which is, in my opinion, the absolute best kind of problem to have.

 

Also, DancingKyu takes offense to being left out. At least he always remembers the moves   

 

I did have DancingKyu in that list, but somehow didn't think he'd appreciate the joke. He does try~ 

 

Your point about their group dynamics and trying to fit SJ into pre-defined roles is sort of why I made the post. I was watching SS6 fancams last night, and Shindong and Eunhyuk's falsetto parts at the end of Evanescence made me actually look up their group roles. I knew Shindong wasn't considered a vocalist, but was relieved to find that Eunhyuk was. He has one of my favorite tones in the group and he's improved SO much, it just didn't seem fair for him not to be considered a vocalist--but can't the same be said about Shindong? 

 

I also wonder how they would classify themselves. The emergence of RapChul on 7jibsus, for example, feels more like a member decision than SM's. It'd be an interesting process to watch at the very least, that's for sure. 

[Awielie]

Kyuhyun and Ryeowook are main rappers obvs.

 

[Cloud09]

Heechul's been sooooo impressive this comeback. Visual, vocal, rap. And he actually dances! Kim Heechul????

 

Heechul seems to be doing well, more of Lead Vocalist than Vocalist. Not to mention his tone is one of the more pleasant ones, easy on the ears. He can do well if he improves more!!

 

I can't believe Shindong isn't considered main dancer wtf

 

Teuk as rapper tho. Take that out.

 

Sungmin is easily Main Vocalist standard, but KRY are the Main Vocalists so in comparison...

[TiramiQ]

I did have DancingKyu in that list, but somehow didn't think he'd appreciate the joke. He does try~ 

 

Your point about their group dynamics and trying to fit SJ into pre-defined roles is sort of why I made the post. I was watching SS6 fancams last night, and Shindong and Eunhyuk's falsetto parts at the end of Evanescence made me actually look up their group roles. I knew Shindong wasn't considered a vocalist, but was relieved to find that Eunhyuk was. He has one of my favorite tones in the group and he's improved SO much, it just didn't seem fair for him not to be considered a vocalist--but can't the same be said about Shindong? 

 

I also wonder how they would classify themselves. The emergence of RapChul on 7jibsus, for example, feels more like a member decision than SM's. It'd be an interesting process to watch at the very least, that's for sure. 

 

there is a difference between the members' abilities and their assigned roles within the group. that's why you can't call Eunhyuk or Shindong anything more than sub-vocalists (when it comes to singing) even if you think they deserve to be called more than just that, because technically they are not more than that when it comes to what they do (not able to do) in SJ. same for dancing, Shindong is obviously main dancer material but is he playing the role of a main dancer in SJ? no, he is not. so no matter how good a dancer he is (we all know he is) he is only a lead dancer by role. that's why i don't really put much importance into these roles, because i know they are not a honest reflection of the members' abilities.

 

 

whether it was a company or members' decision, either way i am happy Eunhyuk and Heechul are the ones in charge of rap. i don't really like Donghae's rap at all and Heechul actually sounds good and i hope they'll keep it that way in the future.

[evenastoppedclock321]

I did have DancingKyu in that list, but somehow didn't think he'd appreciate the joke. He does try~ 

 

Your point about their group dynamics and trying to fit SJ into pre-defined roles is sort of why I made the post. I was watching SS6 fancams last night, and Shindong and Eunhyuk's falsetto parts at the end of Evanescence made me actually look up their group roles. I knew Shindong wasn't considered a vocalist, but was relieved to find that Eunhyuk was. He has one of my favorite tones in the group and he's improved SO much, it just didn't seem fair for him not to be considered a vocalist--but can't the same be said about Shindong? 

 

I also wonder how they would classify themselves. The emergence of RapChul on 7jibsus, for example, feels more like a member decision than SM's. It'd be an interesting process to watch at the very least, that's for sure. 

 

Okay, is it just me or is Kyuhyun actually not that bad? He's obviously no free-styler, but he does a pretty good job with replicating choreography. There has to be some reason they used him for their special dance performances on varieties + SMTown. Lol, and he does remember it which can only be a plus. IDK, as far as choreography goes I think he delivers, even Shindong agrees.

 

Or I'm just horribly biased and like stuff like this anyway:

 

 

 

I actually really like Eunhyuk's and Shindong's tones (not that you can usually hear them in title tracks...). And yes, Eunhyuk's improved so much! His singing parts in Evanesce (not Evanescence, lol) and This Is Love were lovely. And wait...didn't Heechul. Did Heechul not...rap before? How did I miss that. Why did I think he'd rapped before...? I actually really liked RapChul

 

I kind of get the impression that all the developing and trying out new stuff (ShinHyuk singing, Chul rapping, etc.) all comes from the members themselves.

[TiramiQ]

Okay, is it just me or is Kyuhyun actually not that bad? He's obviously no free-styler, but he does a pretty good job with replicating choreography. There has to be some reason they used him for their special dance performances on varieties + SMTown. Lol, and he does remember it which can only be a plus. IDK, as far as choreography goes I think he delivers, even Shindong agrees.

 

Or I'm just horribly biased and like stuff like this anyway:

 

i think Kyuhyun is better when it comes to hardcore dances with sharp and fast moves (like Bonamana for exemple) than slowish routines with more smooth and slow moves that require more body controle and precision (like Hero, Club n1) 

 

but then again, he did fine in She wants it in SS6 as far as i could see

[artemisa]

They are doing more and more behind the scenes work, i think they keep those lead singer, main dancer qualities but at the same time are all evolving together.

Mah babies *cries*

[evenastoppedclock321]

i think Kyuhyun is better when it comes to hardcore dances with sharp and fast moves (like Bonamana for exemple) than slowish routines with more smooth and slow moves that require more body controle and precision (like Hero, Club n1) 

 

but then again, he did fine in She wants it in SS6 as far as i could see

 

Only fine? 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea3irlGv_MY

[Awielie]

 

I did have DancingKyu in that list, but somehow didn't think he'd appreciate the joke. He does try~ 

 

Your point about their group dynamics and trying to fit SJ into pre-defined roles is sort of why I made the post. I was watching SS6 fancams last night, and Shindong and Eunhyuk's falsetto parts at the end of Evanescence made me actually look up their group roles. I knew Shindong wasn't considered a vocalist, but was relieved to find that Eunhyuk was. He has one of my favorite tones in the group and he's improved SO much, it just didn't seem fair for him not to be considered a vocalist--but can't the same be said about Shindong? 

 

I also wonder how they would classify themselves. The emergence of RapChul on 7jibsus, for example, feels more like a member decision than SM's. It'd be an interesting process to watch at the very least, that's for sure. 

 

So Shindong and Eunhyuk should be granted singer positions but Kyuhyun can't even be taken seriously as a dancer, when he easily dances better than they (and a bunch of others for that matter) sing? Alrighty then.

 

i think Kyuhyun is better when it comes to hardcore dances with sharp and fast moves (like Bonamana for exemple) than slowish routines with more smooth and slow moves that require more body controle and precision (like Hero, Club n1) 

 

but then again, he did fine in She wants it in SS6 as far as i could see

 

[yet4adored]

there is a difference between the members' abilities and their assigned roles within the group. that's why you can't call Eunhyuk or Shindong anything more than sub-vocalists (when it comes to singing) even if you think they deserve to be called more than just that, because technically they are not more than that when it comes to what they do (not able to do) in SJ. same for dancing, Shindong is obviously main dancer material but is he playing the role of a main dancer in SJ? no, he is not. so no matter how good a dancer he is (we all know he is) he is only a lead dancer by role. that's why i don't really put much importance into these roles, because i know they are not a honest reflection of the members' abilities.

 

 

whether it was a company or members' decision, either way i am happy Eunhyuk and Heechul are the ones in charge of rap. i don't really like Donghae's rap at all and Heechul actually sounds good and i hope they'll keep it that way in the future.

 

Of course there's no way these roles are an accurate reflection of their abilities, etc. I was just wondering if given how certain roles switched a bit on Mamacita (Heechul being far more of a rapper than Shindong, while Shindong was given more singing parts, including falsettso) if the general consensus had changed a bit. I would have added sub-vocals, but wanted to stay within the original definitions and there were only so many poll questions allowed.

 

The dance line is actually one area that I think hasn't changed over the years. Hyuk is main, ShinHaeMin are leads, with assists from Teuk and Kyu. 

 

So Shindong and Eunhyuk should be granted singer positions but Kyuhyun can't even be taken seriously as a dancer, when he easily dances better than they (and a bunch of others for that matter) sing? Alrighty then.

 

Oh, I didn't mean it like that at all. Sorry. Kyu absolutely can dance choreo, especially when it plays to his strengths (as already noted upthread). That's why I didn't make the DancingKyu joke. 

[TiramiQ]

Only fine? 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea3irlGv_MY

 

it is a good thing to be a confident mofo 

seriously, i've always thought that he had the moves but lacked the confidence in his dancing and that's why he looked awkward (to me) dancing to Hero and Club n1 for exemple, but looking at him now in SS6 and even in Shirt stages he looks much more confident while dancing and it sure makes his dancing much better. he is no Eunhyuk when it comes to being a natural but he is good and keeps getting better.

 

 

 

 

i think this falls under the first category 

[TiramiQ]

Of course there's no way these roles are an accurate reflection of their abilities, etc. I was just wondering if given how certain roles switched a bit on Mamacita (Heechul being far more of a rapper than Shindong, while Shindong was given more singing parts, including falsettso) if the general consensus had changed a bit. I would have added sub-vocals, but wanted to stay within the original definitions and there were only so many poll questions allowed.

 

 

i think those things need consistency. i mean, just because Shindong got more lines in Mamacita, it doesnt auotmatically make him a lead vocalist for exemple. if he keeps improving and keeps that amount of lines and actually master them in future releases then we'll talk about him going up ranks. this is like asking why Heechul isnt a main vocalist just because he had one high note and all those adlibs in 7jib, it isnt a one time thing.

 

 

something else i wanted to mention, Donghae isnt the best singer around but he adds too much beauty to SJ's songs, especially ballads and mid-tempo tracks (his lignes and adlibs were some of the main elements that made Midnight Blues the masterpiece it is) and that's why i don't agree with those that say he doesnt deserve to be considered a lead vocalist, he sure lacks technically but he has so much aesthetic and stylistic input in SJ's music

[Awielie]

Oh, I didn't mean it like that at all. Sorry. Kyu absolutely can dance choreo, especially when it plays to his strengths (as already noted upthread). That's why I didn't make the DancingKyu joke. 

 

Oops, I guess I misunderstood. 

 

Have some DancingKyu...

 

[yukahoo]

If all the members are considered vocalists then all of them should be considered dancers as well. I mean they have actually been dancing throughout their whole careers, it's definitely not a one-time thing or something that has just emerged with the seventh album.

 

As for the main/lead singer department. Well it's always been that Kyuhyun and Ryeowook carry the song and Yesung carries the adlibs. Some say it means that Yesung is the main and kyuwook the leads, some say just the other way round i.e. kyuwook are main and Yesung the lead. The definition seems to change by the person.

 

Main dancer and rapper seems to be Eunhyuk. I haven't got the foggiest of what a lead rapper would be leading so I really don't have an answer for that.  Lead dancers are Donghae and Shindong with Sungmin and Kyuhyun giving support. Leeteuk hasn't really been a lead dancer in years, has he?

 

Siwon's the visual. The end. Once upon a time it might have been Heechul but it's just not like that anymore. Not because he's not pretty enough but because it's just not his role anymore.

[Choco dani]

I agree with Aicha on roles, especially Donghae as lead vocalist, but I would also say he is definitively main dancer along with Hyuk. Also, I don't think Leeteuk is better dancer than Siwon maybe. 

[alltaengsic]

Main Vocalist - Yesung, Ryeowook, Khuhyun

Lead Vocalist - Sungmin, Donghae, Kangin

Vocalist - Heechul, Leeteuk, Siwon

Main Rapper - Eunhyuk

Lead Rapper - Shindong

Visual - Siwon, Donghae, Kangin

[ellectrified]

But do their original profiles still stand up after 10 9 years?

• Leeteuk: Leader, Vocalist, Rapper
• Heechul: Vocalist, Rapper
• Yesung: Main Vocalist
• Kangin: Vocalist
• Shindong: Lead Rapper, Lead Dancer
• Sungmin: Lead Vocalist, Lead Dancer
• Eunhyuk: Main Rapper, Main Dancer, Vocalist
• Donghae: Lead Vocalist, Lead Dancer, Rapper
• Siwon: Vocalist, Visual
• Ryeowook: Main Vocalist
• Kyuhyun: Lead Vocalist, Sub-Dancer, Maknae

When you consider promotional materials, general opinion, etc., is Siwon still THE visual, or does the group have more than one? 

 

Tbh I think Kangin should also get the "Visual" in his profile.

 

I mean, these convince me...

 

 

 

 

 

[yet4adored]

Tbh I think Kangin should also get the "Visual" in his profile.

 

I mean, these convince me...

 

 

 

 

 

 

I support your taste in Visuals.