Ellin 269 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 ***Before someone hates, NO I AM NOT directing this at EXO/SNSD, or any particular large group. For Exo, I get that there's Exo-K and M.*** T.T lol Anyways now that's out of the way, I've always been of the mindset that 5-6 is the best number for group. I don't understand why companies debut groups with 7+ members. In these types of groups, there are usually always those who don't bring much to the group. It's really rare that all members are talented. Quality > Quantity, no? It's like if Big Bang/DBSK/ had debuted with more lesser talented members, I don't think they would be as good as a group imo. With lesser members, your more talented members get more singing/camera time. Surely, costs also go down to when you have to house/feed less people. So why not have a group that only involves your best members? Any agree/disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yayaya 1,862 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Because the talentless members are the one who bring in the fans...not that it's admirable or anything but it's kpop dude. KPOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepy 110 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I think when you have more members you have more chances to get fans, because while some people don't necessarily like the whole group, they might like one or two of the members. More members, more biases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballfina 29,566 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 For SM (particularly with SNSD and Super Junior) these groups were quite literally built to not just be music groups. The members were trained in acting, radio djing, mcing, announcing, comedy, etc. etc. etc. (on top of singing and dancing). They were and are meant to be in pretty much every aspect of the entertainment industry~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyung-soo-jung 499 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 because sometimes those less talented members actually bring up the most fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abinh 4,542 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 b/c no one cares about ugly talented members; agencies must add some pretty talentless ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21jumpstreet 390 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 * for choreography it's nice to have 7-9 members groups * quality > quantity only apply to music. With more members you can get more fans : one guy catch a fan attention and through fanservice and seeing them evolve together they become fan of the whole group. True for all groups but even more for those where members have solos activities. Look at AKB48. * you get higher risk of scandal, on the other end you can easily cope with an injured/sick member, or in the case of Suju keep active during army time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onecareer 781 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 When you see a choreography made by a sheer number of people, do you feel anything? When I watch SJ's Sorry Sorry/ Mr. Simple for the first time, I feel dizzy and impressed. Big group has some advantages over smaller group. The difference in vocals is interesting as well...So hard to explain when you are not fan of any big size group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anh 7,636 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 yes.That's why I don't like big groups overall.Mess on stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyz 324 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 its cheaper for the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boramboram 62 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 because its hard to get the talented one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sehunk 2,641 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Big Group's are actually quite fascinating imo. I don't believe talent-less member's exist. Everyone has talent. I think harmonizing during the chorus' entices me, I love hearing the different voices mesh together beautifully. But then I also see my biases like Hyoyeon and Sehun get pushed to the side, but even if I do get a bit bitter about it, I'm just happy I get to see their faces. I also think more member's bring in more fans, people can have their pick and it's always nice to have variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuriheart 12 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I think when you have more members you have more chances to get fans, because while some people don't necessarily like the whole group, they might like one or two of the members. More members, more biases. MTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopamine 4,805 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Plenty of smaller groups have deadweight members as well. Large groups can work if there is a positive team dynamic. I dont believe in quality over quantity in terms of groups. A group can have many members and still be high quality. Similarly smaller groups can still be low quality. Its a rarity that any group in general is composed of only talented individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaodery 2,194 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 More members, talentless or not, bring in more fans. You're bound to like at least one of them, or if you like a big number of them and one of the members gets on your nerves, you see much less of him. I find it easier to like bigger groups because of the members I don't like getting lost in the sea of people lol. Not to mention, it's easier not to notice deadweight members compared to smaller groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Prince ☆ 3,308 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I guess there's diversity in larger groups. If you take an interest, you're almost guaranteed to like one member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisi 130 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 ***Before someone hates, NO I AM NOT directing this at EXO/SNSD, or any particular large group. For Exo, I get that there's Exo-K and M.*** T.T lol Anyways now that's out of the way, I've always been of the mindset that 5-6 is the best number for group. I don't understand why companies debut groups with 7+ members. In these types of groups, there are usually always those who don't bring much to the group. It's really rare that all members are talented. Quality > Quantity, no? It's like if Big Bang/DBSK/ had debuted with more lesser talented members, I don't think they would be as good as a group imo. With lesser members, your more talented members get more singing/camera time. Surely, costs also go down to when you have to house/feed less people. So why not have a group that only involves your best members? Any agree/disagree? Talentless? Uh... No. Each member DOES have a specific role that they do in the group. Don't you think it'll be a waste and that it'll be silly to have "talentless" members in a group? Especially with all those other trainees out there. Some people may not be gifted singers or dancers, but their singing ISN'T off key, their voice blends into the group's overall sound and they do dance well enough to keep up with everyone. However, because this is K-pop having people that do well acting, variety shows, songwriting (you don't have to be a good singer in order to write a song), choreography (again, don't have to be a good dancer in order to make choreography. I know this sounds weird but it does happen. Especially when you tell people the kind of dance moves you want them to do and in which formations. Example: You tell everyone to start off in a V formation, the 2 back members are the first ones that move. Their movement will be a front walkover, sticking the landing and going into a cheerleading liberty pose.), composing, designing outfits (Like what Miss A Jia did for "Touch"), having a lot of charisma to the point that if another member drops part of their IEM on stage the audience wouldn't really notice it, etc, etc is good also because of promotion and can help with the whole process of the group rising to the charts. In S.Korea compared to U.S music especially it seems that idols mostly do a whole lot more of appearing on tv and just having their face out there in career related fields. (So I'm not including Instagram, Scandals, Drama, law breaking, etc. etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woon2Brothers 493 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 it's a matter of taste after all... tbh for me, 5 people on same stage (sing, rap, dance) are too much, yet I stan SJ lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llyx 1,300 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Bigger groups are more impressive...especially when dancing. Plus usually they'd have a larger fanbase because, well, you have more biases to choose from. Like how AKB48 is popular. I'm not saying solos and smaller groups are not popular though, I just mean having a bigger number of members is an advantage. Having more members mean a bigger project too, sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHuzr 1,383 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 I can't imagine an agency investing $ millions of dollars without researching on the very question. I agree with the consensus so I'll address down below: Quality > Quantity, no? IMO it depends. Each member in a group can be ultra talented but it doesn't mean they'll succeed as a group. It's probably one reason why you don't see all of the positions as "main vocal" as an example. To succeed the collective skills of the members must compliment with each other. Each member in a group brings something unique and marketable to the table, even if it's not quite obvious to the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Dukes 122 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Because the talentless members are the one who bring in the fans...not that it's admirable or anything but it's kpop dude. KPOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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