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It's probably just because you haven't learned yet. Also, have you recorded yourself and then listened to it? You'd be surprised at how different your perceived voice is from your actual one. I can preeeeetty much guarantee you're a soprano. If you're not, I can at least pretty much guarantee you're not a contralto. Do you sound androgynous and male-like? If you don't, you're almost definitely not a contralto.

There aren't any. There are like, three mezzo-soprano, off the top of my head. Girls' Day Sojin, Lee Hi, and that one girl from Spica with the short blonde hair and huge eyes. Was her name Boa?? Idk. The day there is a contralto in kpop I promise I will bungee-jump off of the skytower (192m) and film it. Y'all can quote me.

Some of these ponytails are just normal-ass ponytails, not high ponytails. But nevertheless most of them are high ponytails and they are gorgeous. I rejoice anytime anyone has one in a performance.

Ooooooh sounds so much better!! I'm kinda surprised her teacher is a foreigner though, although it does sound like all of the recording for her new album was done overseas bc I hear male voices speaking English too. I wonder if that means that that's her permanent teacher or just for this album.

I would first make clear whether it's a one-time thing or not. Tbh I think fwb is a good arrangement so I would suggest that if he was so horny that he actually plucked up the courage to ask me.

Nvm you're actually older than me, I was confusing you with someone else. But anyway, you should be careful how you talk to people about things like this. You could've literally crushed someone's dreams with those words. Luckily I'm a bit older and was able to shake it off after a few days, but it's not cool. This new edginess with tea and everything is all well and good fun, but personal insults like that aren't funny internet 'savage', you could legitimately have ruined someone's self-esteem, as well as ruined their dream.

It's more like my bare-bones basics are classical, plus some random tidbits here and there that my current teacher has incorporated, but the rest is contemporary (or whatever you want to call it). But I do think it's because of starting classical that I have problems with head-dominant mix. Also I can usually do a classical head voice but ever since I was severely sick a few months ago I have this weird break halfway through my head voice as well as an ugly overall quality around the break, so I've been avoiding singing in a full head voice. When my lessons start back up (I have no money right now #studentlife) my teacher should be able to fix that pretty easily. I think it's because I move my larynx too much as I move through my head register though.

He's also one of the youngest on this thread so that probably contributes as well

I replied like that because of the way they worded their critique. I'm plenty open if people actually mention constructive critique like you did. Most of my problems in those songs are largely related to the fact that I'm putting a lot of concentration into pronouncing everything correctly. I have an easier time singing English songs and my support is consistent (usually) between F3-D5. I do know I sing too chest-heavy though, that's always been an issue of mine, and if I don't warm up and practice enough then, you're right, I do get a lot of tension in my throat, as well as my jaw sometimes.

The only things I have to say about this is: A. You're not exactly an expert. You've made plenty of mistakes about hearing support before. B. I trust my teacher and all the other people who have heard my voice irl over you, who has only heard me sing through a crappy microphone to songs that are not in my native language. Also damn am I glad I'm not like 15, back when I had fragile self-esteem.

Okay, but you still didn't mention a note that wasn't supported. There weren't any flat notes in there either. Also there's a difference between disliking someone's voice and saying that they can't sing. I know I can sing, I got a scholarship for music because of my singing. And you previously mentioned you don't know much about singing, so I'm not sure what you base your statement upon when many other people online, and in person, have said that I'm good. I was selected for a youth album project in my city, which many others were rejected from. If everyone is just pretending I'm good, why was I not rejected for that, and my music scholarship, when so many others were? If you could mention some actual technical faults and bring in some constructive critique, maybe I (and probably other regulars on this thread) would take you seriously. The regulars on this thread may argue, but at the end of the day at least they all know at least to a certain degree what they are talking about, and are happy to argue their points on a factual basis.

Sure, but you need to try a teacher out before you know whether they work well with you or not. Vocal teachers aren't really a one-size-fits-all. Sure, an exceptionally good one would probably be able to teach any student well, but there aren't many of those teachers out there. Most teachers have a few methods that they like to use, and only certain students work well with those methods. Try a teacher out, if you don't like them, try another one. I have had one or two-off lessons with many vocal teachers, and the one I ended up with was definitely not the one I thought would work well with me, but he is one of the best teachers and vocalists I've ever heard.

Your range is not reliable as a sole indicator for your vocal type, you need to know your passaggi for that. It doesn't matter what your range is now, you could have a much larger potential range. If you want to get training, you should.

Thanks haha I kinda knew that (hence my reply) but it still hurts a 'lil

Name a note in there that wasn't supported and then we'll talk.

Like I said, just take my word for it being heavier irl. But still, I don't sing classical anymore anyway, so for all intents and purposes I'm just a plain ol' soprano.

You mean the one from 3-4 years ago where I was singing pop style, couldn't mix at all and was still completely self-taught? Sounds like a great idea. But anyway, it doesn't really matter. I don't sing classically anymore, but just take my word for it that my voice is heavier, although perhaps not lower or darker, than a lyric soprano. Here is something I recorded maybe six months ago, for that Onehallyu idol group thing that is dead now. But it is me singing pop, since I don't sing classically anymore.

I was classically trained, I just never stayed with a teacher long enough to get a specific sub-fach. Also my most recent teacher was fairly sure I was a dramatic soprano. Fair, I see your point.

Oh I do agree with not typing beyond the basics for pop singers. I guess I was just kind of trying to point out how not low Jisoo's voice is, even compared to others in her group. And using 'lower' or 'heavier' usually results in as much, if not more, confusion than throwing out sub-fach I find. But usually I stick to the basics with pop singers though, I've never (I don't think) seriously typed anyone beyond the base types.

Hahaha honestly I want to point you somewhere to learn, but I don't know where. There are a lot of places you could go. Maybe read back the vocal thread a bit? Idk if you wait a bit somebody else might give you some links :P

Whu- two octaves? Saying two octaves out of the blue isn't wrong, it just plain doesn't mean anything. Also Jisoo isn't even deep in terms of soprano, she's probably a lyric soprano like most soprano voices in kpop. Jennie probably has a larger chance of being a heavier voice sub-type though. But anyway, I'm not quite sure what you wanted out of your original statement anyway. I mean, you're welcome at the vocal thread, but have you had a scroll through the last couple of pages? Do you know what we talk about here and how we talk about it? Saying 'deep' here is akin to going 'hey, is this person maybe not a soprano/tenor?'. I think you also meant that since you seemed surprised when I said she's a soprano, but maybe you got embarrassed when I linked the video. It's okay, only a few years ago I thought my voice was low, and I'm somewhere between a dramatic and spinto soprano.

She is definitely a soprano. That is not a deep voice at all. Here are some deep non-operatic female voices: Not all of these are even contralto despite the title, there are some mezzos in there. No that was me being incredulous that they thought her voice was deep despite her being a soprano.

She's a soprano....??? Edit: I would love for a contralto to somehow miraculously debut in a kpop group one day, I wonder what people would say.

How long have you actually been practicing regularly for? I'd recommend starting out with scale exercises. You can search online for one that you like, there are probably hundreds. One I recommend for people who are a bit insecure and just starting out is to pick a really ugly, nasal sound, like a witch cackle 'nyeh nyeh nyeh' and sing scales like that. It means you can exercise your voice without worrying about it sounding good or not, so long as you're on the right pitch. Focus on getting your middle and lower ranges (A4-ish downwards) solid first before you begin in your mix. Also if you get used to singing in falsetto a lot at the same time as strengthening your middle-low range, usually your falsetto kinda strengthens and it becomes easier to turn it into a head voice.