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Now this is something i did not see coming! It's awful that he was outed though....

I've gotten the exact same vibes from Heeseung as well! I thought i was alone in it so i never pondered over it too much and previously said on this thread that he was probably straight, but i really do think he gives major lgbt vibes. Like you said in your later post though, there really isn't anything concrete, it's just a feeling (much like Sunoo). I've also wondered over his sudden 'masculine' (for a lack of a better term) image, he presents himself pretty differently now to how he did on I-LAND and pre-debut/just after debut. I didn't know that about his non-idol friend, it's really nice to see the younger generation be more open about these things (even if he's a non-celeb) v-v

I came across this (koreaboo....................... i know lol) article, which just confirmed what we all basically already know. One would hope things have improved, but i doubt it :< Former JYP Entertainment Trainee Reveals The Agency Kicked Him Out For Being In A Gay Relationship: https://www.koreaboo.com/news/former-jyp-trainee-killian-kicked-gay-relationship/ Full article source: https://tw.news.yahoo.com/--015858791.html His instagram is really cute v-v I hope he'll have more luck in the future and that he gets to realize his dreams https://www.instagram.com/jl_killian/

No worries, just a reminder :'>

I got the name after scrolling since people brought it up, but please include the name when writing a post with pictures of the idol T - T I stared at these pictures for so long trying to figure out who it was rip

If you're gonna read that Mimo thread then please read this one too: Mimo is delusional and has been caught lying or making things up multiple times (and when called out she blocks people and hides their replies smh), and not only about this. She's one of those pseudo i-fan ssng's that lurk on korean stan and anti twitter (+ korean forums like dcinside) to get a hold of rumors that she can spread. She's like a slightly smarter version of mazedbybts (another delusional anti that likes to twist things and make up narratives). And the point is that it's a generic ass tattoo design (that MJ has given several of her other friends/clients as well) so it's probably included in her portfolio. It's stupid to try to link JK's tattoos to one of his tattoo artists, because it's obvious there will be similarities (another example is JK's eye tattoo, a common design for the male tattoo artist that did it for him). MJ drew and posted that moon design a month or so before JK started getting his tattoos, so it's not weird for him to have seen it and remembered it as he probably saw it displayed (+ has presumably had long and detailed conversations about the designs he wants with her and the other artists). I don't get what you're implying with the manager/staff that commented either. All it says to me is that it was around the time JK got his tattoos (august/september) and the manager/staff was wondering if that design was for JK as well. I don't see how it implies anything else (unless you reach or want it to mean something more). Anyways, this is OT but i wanted to share

Glad you said it because that was my exact first thought while reading that response as well lmao, that part came across as word for word from her threads

We've discussed all of TXT on this thread multiple times (as recently as a week or two back even), try googling the thread name + site and specific member name and you'll see the discussion. ENHYPEN were also recently discussed, it's concluded that many of them (over half) have had nose jobs.

Fair enough! Thank you for elaborating on your stance I have pretty strong feelings about solo stans in the enha fandom as they are a constant pain in the ass and incredibly out of control, so if my reply came across too strong then i apologize for that! And don't get me wrong, it's definitely a valid concern to raise, i just think people are going way too far with it. So i pretty much agree with you, except that i think it's still overstepping for fans to go beyond raising the issue and the initial concerns as i don't think it's our place to speculate or create narratives regarding their group dynamics based on a few instances. Essentially, it's not the fans role to be psychoanalyzing and micromanaging their relationships to each other. That's a minor difference in opinion though, and i acknowledge why people can see it differently! I still respect your stance v-v

I can't see the tweets, so am i just blocked or is the account suspended? Regardless, i really don't like this narrative that sunoo solo stans (if i remember the @ correctly then that account is a solo stan, they've been malicious in the past) are building around the way the members treat Sunoo (because yes, solo stans in the enhypen fandom constantly build narratives and it's not subtle if you actually engage in the fandom or observe solos). ENHYPEN's fandom has a real problem with solo stans and akgaes, and it's disturbing. I watch all ENHYPEN content, i really enjoy them as a group, and i really do not see this othering aspect you and persumably the OP is implying when you take into account all their content and are not just cherry picking moments or instances and putting them without context. ENHYPEN are a very unique group, in that they didn't all train together as a group before debut (i think they got 2 months maybe?) and even competed against each other before that, so there is bound to be different levels of closeness. Still, i think it's really unfair to make it out as if the members are othering him based on a few instances (again, i can't see the tweet so i have no idea which moments they picked) and disregard all the countless times where he's been included and doted on like any other member. Sunoo IS close to some of them, by his own words Jay and Sunghoon the most. He always speaks kindly of the members, and they do of him too. I'm sorry if i sound harsh, but i just have a really hard time believing this particular narrative because it's something his stans have tried to promote since I-LAND (saying he was an outcast, that he didn't have any friends even when the footage, mainly the hour long behind cams, showed the opposite (i.e. he seemed to get along with most people), or that he dislikes the other members etc). Lately they've especially been pushing that Ni-Ki is bullying him (yes, for real) and i find it pretty disgusting of his stans. We don't know them, and i don't think we have a right to psychoanalyze the members nor their relationships with each other in the way a lot of people that push this do. There are certain things they joke about with each other that i don't like (goes for all members, for example the "Jay funny, jay RAS" meme/jokes that have fortunately calmed down inside the group as well as in the fandom once he expressed his wish for them to lay off), and the Sunoo weight jokes are among them. However, i don't think these jokes have anything to do with heteromasculinity. I moreso just think they're a new group that haven't known each other for too long that is still figuring out their chemistry, which includes what is okay to joke about and what is not. So while i don't think the weight jokes are okay, i also don't think it has anything to do with the members disliking him or othering him, nor with him being effeminate. This is OT but i just had to say something. Edit: I just saw some screenshots of the tweets and that account is indeed a sunoo solo stan so i'm not taking what they're saying seriously. Sorry, i just don't trust ENHYPEN solo accounts since they're awful and constantly start shit on the daily. Looking at the tweets and moments many of them are clearly taken out of context to make the other members look bad, which is horrible. Especially Ni-Ki. I already mentioned it earlier but a lot of Sunoo solo stans have been pushing this "ni-ki is a bully" narrative for a couple of weeks/months now, and it's disgusting because Sunoo and Ni-ki actually seem close (Ni-ki even sleeps in Sunoo's bed on the daily, though he's always saying that he's trying not to lol) The weight jokes is something that should be talked about in the fandom as even i think they're too much sometimes, but the way that account is presenting the situation as well as the accounts previous history (has talked badly about multiple members before) is just not in good faith imo. Edit2: I think there's too little information that we as fans (or non fans) know to make any sort of judgements beyond "this is making me uncomfortable, here's my concerns". People taking it further (as they are on twitter at the moment) are malicious in my opinion.

The first photo was posted in march 2020 as a teaser for the show, but it was taken sometime in 2018 while they were in america for training. Not important but you got the timeline mixed up :'>

Weird ass double post sigh

Beomgyu looks pretty much identical (maybe some small tweaks that i'm too unobservant to notice) to pre-debut though. I agree about the rest though lol (spoilered the selcas from when he was a bighit trainee) More pics (there's a shit ton of pre-debut beomgyu pics lol): https://www.google.com/search?q=beomgyu+predebut&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi_italjf7wAhUIxYsKHSeuCMAQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=beomgyu+predebut&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1AAWABgivYQaABwAHgAgAEAiAEAkgEAmAEAqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWc&sclient=img&ei=Oy26YP-AMIiKrwSn3KKADA&bih=722&biw=1536 OT but why have i all of a sudden become so active here when i said i was gonna go back to lurking lol, mess

Heeseung's nose job is good though? It's just obvious that he got a nose job, but the execution looks nice and imo it even fits his face. Namjoo and Kei's are just bad, they're on a different level. Their doctors need to get their license's revoked, lowkey. I would remove Heeseung and put in NCT's Yuta. I really dislike his nose job, it's so pinched.

It's a good analysis! I think he got most of the stuff he did done last year pre Can't you see me? (possibly some things done in the summer post that as well). Just to be clear, my post about his weightloss wasn't to negate any of this, i just didn't bring up any changes since they were all most likely made last year and therefore not recent (to me). There's not really any recent stuff that i myself can spot. Though i would be interested in seeing a comparison between his jaw during last years october - december period and then january to now as i think this might be when he messed with that part of his face if he did. The picture from the first option in the third spoiler where you can clearly see the difference from the front compared to debut is from February this year. This is also about a month and a half after he started dropping weight though (and he dropped it fast then mostly maintained), so i'm always left unsure if the now very pronounced difference is due to weightloss that is exaggerating something natural or a procedure he got earlier, or if it was something recent he did. Also, how do you spot someone that got their outer corners of the lips cut? I can't for the life of me see a diffference in Yeonjun regarding that, but i also don't really know how to spot it lol

He has done a bunch of stuff (he gets regular lip fillers for comebacks, got an implant some time ago etc), but nothing drastic (or very differently than before) recently (by recently i mean in the past couple of months). I usually don't mention weightloss on here but since you can see it in his entire body and not just his face i will go ahead. So yeah, the most notable thing this comeback is the huge amount of weight he's dropped. He's significantly skinnier than he was just a couple of months ago, and a lot skinnier compared with their last comeback. It's making his body and face look very different. In my opinion it's the reason he's looking odd at the moment. Just for comparisons sake I'm not trying to make losing weight a cop out here. He could've done something ps related as well (though i personally don't see anything new beyond what has already been discussed in the past), i'm not trying to say he hasn't. It's just that his weightloss has been on my mind lately as it's been the most noticable change in his appearance + it's something that is a bit worrying. Worrying to the point where i was pretty shocked when seeing him recently since it was so drastic. Hell, maybe me noticing his weightloss has made me blind to other changes, and if so please mention them.

Has something new/recent happened?

A fair interpretation as well! I may just be projecting my own lack of love for in your face PDA and fanservice onto him. I agree that there's nothing homophobic about the interaction regardless!

Eh, i guess i just don't see what you see. The first one isn't weird at all imo. I watched that vlive and i had zero reaction when that happened. What i find interesting about this one is that a lot of people on twitter used it in the exact opposite way that you are. The only ones i thought he looked a bit '?????????? the fuck are you doing' are the kai + yeonjun ones (the two), but they were doing way too much there (fanservice wise). I think it's fine for him to be uncomfortable with such overt displays of fanservice between his friends. It doesn't mean that he's homophobic. I would probably have a similar facial expression if two of my friends started doing that (i'm not straight, just uncomfortable with agressive PDA). I think it's a natural reaction to seeing ones friends acting like that. If anything, he just seems weirded out by Kai and Yeonjun specifically engaging in fanservice. It's always them that evoke that reaction in him. I agree that the concept itself for the wekpop one was a bit off to begin with, but he just looks like he was shocked taehyun would do that, not like he was weirded out. It wasn't the same facial expression he did in the Kai + Yeonjun fanservice ones either + his other reactions during that segment weren't weird (not when he engaged, nor when others did). I guess i just don't see this as enough to start forming a narrative that he's homophobic (esepcially not when he pings heavily for so many).

Could you link the specific instances for the bolded ones because i'm not sure which ones you mean? I don't think he was overreacting during the wekpop host kiss thingy to be honest, but it's been a really long time since i watched that so maybe i'm wrong. But it didn't give me weird vibes when i did watch it last. I also don't think i've seen him looking uncomfortable when the other members do skinship? Just sometimes when he has to partake himself (which could have a lot of explanations), but again that was mostly during their first year. Recently he's looked really comfortable. Just the other day he did this on vlive when Hueningkai was talking about getting a kiss for coming of age day from the members, so i don't really think he's always uncomfortable with skinship either. Edit: Found a longer clip with more context lol, so he himself even said it was fine with the members lol (he even brought it up first) I honestly just think he's a very shy and timid person (which is evident in the way he acts, but he's also said as much himself), that's not always comfortable engaging in homoromantic/homoerotic skinship due to the implications of it as a queer idol (because yes, i very much think he's lgbtq, maybe not gay but he does for sure have attraction to men in my opinion) just like @joonsoulie explained. Though he does seem much more comfortable lately.

Thank you for posting this, i really enjoyed (as much as you can enjoy something this painful) reading it T - T

I realized afterwards, point still stands. It wasn't about whether he had done ps or not. I went back and checked your photos and they provided a clearer comparison! I mean i'm not good at pointing out specific procedures, but i think it's clear he's done something to his bridge (i'm thinking an implant) and maybe tip?

Thank you! That first photoshoot is an abomination but it's always used as the go to for ENHYPEN and i hate it so much haha

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I wasn't making a case against him having done plastic surgery (i'm inclined to believe he did), i just think the photo you chose is a very poor one since it's a shoot that is known to be heavily edited/photoshopped.