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  1. i liked the idea that the national producers (aka viewers of the show) have the sole power to decide who gets in the debut group thru voting,  
    And I liked that Produce provides all trainees focus cams, regardless of who their faves were 
    so even if there was devil/angel/ghost edits, I could just skip the episode and watch the focus cams instead. 
    Disliked the leaking of spoilers to certain trainees to give them a heads-up on the evaluations, 
    the edits without giving a disclaimer that scenes and characters may be staged/edited for plot purposes, 
    and most of all the voting manipulation by the production staff and certain companies.  

    I will support the new season if all of the following conditions are met: 
    - edit: Disclaimer on the edits at each episode
    - Lineup is decided by the national producers votes only -- no involvement from judges or a select panel or a production crew. 
    - Clear and consistent voting guidelines -- no changes in the middle of the show 
    - Voting is transparent, legitimate, and audited by an independent and professional accounting firm. 

  2. 2 hours ago, lighterxx said:

    I mean that's the key, but I explained some users again and again that it's fandom only issue, so while I would mention rumours, it's majorly to let carats who are unaware to know what we think. Ofc, to non carats, our wishes can be outright silly, I understand that as well, in such situation best is putting yourself to carats place. 

    Like... What would happen if your mascot is suddenly removed? Meaningful times and dates are changed? Content we always got, is blocked? It's very easy to understand it like this in my view rip

    Hell, ignoring svt, what is going on with poor nuest? They are so inactive. Even if you can't relate to what I wrote previous paragraph, I'm sure people would get feeling of lack of CB from their faves. 

     

    yea idt it's silly for Carats to speculate if the GOSE schedule change is a BH decision or not. 
    As for people claiming that Pledis is an independent label by referring to Big Hit's announcement about the acquisition, 
    they should bear in mind that press releases aren't always 100% factual. There* can be exaggerations, understatements, even outright lies in a press release. 
    That's why there's such a thing as mediaplay.  
    A Carat explained it better in their tweet 


     

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  3. Why are non-Seventeen stans coming here to defend Going Seventeen's schedule change?  
    It's not their group whose schedule got changed,
    it wouldn't negatively affect their group or their label if Carat fights for GoSe to stay at 10:10 KST. 
    Why not just say "aww that would suck if it happened to my group" or better yet just stay out of it in the first place? 
    and just go after the toxic Carat replies which unjustly blame their groups for this? 

    Any group has their own symbolisms that they use as references in their work 
    be it colors, catch phrases, musical motifs, food products,  
    and in Going Seventeen's case - numbers. 
    It's part of a group's brand identity, so it's understandable why fans want to protect it 
    esp if the group or the parent/sub label  hasn't given a good explanation for the change. 

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  4. 22 hours ago, hynapia said:

    Oh I see. I was confused because I've almost never seen people calling them part of the "SM family" like they do now with Seventeen. Probably because Seventeen videos are uploaded in BH Labels channel and they participated in BH Labels new year concert, meanwhile Woollim groups' content is always uploaded in Woollim channel or their own channels and they don't participate in SM events either.

    Btw, I thought Infinite debuted with a darker concept. Wasn't their debut before the dawn or that was their first comeback?

    Seventeen backed out of BH Labels NY concert due to an unspecified schedule conflict.
    Also Seventeen MVs have been posted in other channels aside from Seventeen ch and Seventeen Japan ch even before the acquisition like 1theK for example 
     
     BigHit's role is similar to 1TheK's role pre-acquisition in the sense that they're also involved with the distribution and promotion aspects in Seventeen's activities 
    The difference now is that Seventeen's KR MVs are uploaded in BHL channel solely.
    So the monetization for those MVs  goes through BHL first before it can trickle down to them, 
    unlike before where they can get monetization both directly thru Seventeen channel and as a trickle-down fr 1theK or another 3rd-party label.  
    (The JP MVs are still uploaded in Seventeen JP ch)
    Also Seventeen no longer performs in any broadcast stations/platforms that have a feud/rivalry with BH (MBC)
    yet BHL artists including Seventeen still promote in the ones where Pledis/Seventeen have a feud with but BH has a partnership/neutral relationship with (Mnet and more recently KBS). 
    So the relationship is too one-sided to be considered a family even in the Kpop sense, imo.  
    But it's been less than a year since Pledis was acquired, so  hopefully it will be a more mutual relationship in the future.  

    Infinite's Comeback Again MV wasn't really that dark compared with the beast-dols 
    but it wasn't really that bright compared with the flower boys during that era, either. 
    (side-note:  more info abt * flower boys, and beast-dols [x]) 
    That distinction is more apparent in their stages imo 
     
    Also Infinite were called beagle-dols bc they* had a noisy+silly persona in variety shows. 
    Their group intro during their debut era was even mentioned in one of the Weekly idol eps. (timestamp 07:22) 
     

  5. Victon and G-Idle are veteran groups but are in the same 60%++ ad range with T1419 tho [x]
     

    Release Artist Music Video Views Estimated ads YC ads* % ads  
    2021-01-11 (G)I-dle ((여자)아이들) Hwaa 37.5 m ~23.0 m 0-~22.0 m ~61.4%  
     ↳ Charted with 10.8M on Jan 14th, public view was 33M
    2021-01-11 Victon (빅톤) What I Said 7.8 m ~5.0 m   ~64.2%  
    2021-01-11 T1419 Asurabalbata 7.4 m ~5.0 m   ~67.9%  
     ↳ (ongoing)
  6. 2 hours ago, hynapia said:

    But Woollim isn't under SM anymore, no? That's what I read at least

    Apparently, Woollim Label reorganized and got the "Woollim Ent" name back in 2016 but they're still a SM C&C subsidiary. [x
    It can be a bit confusing but hopefully this old twt fr an Inspirit makes it clearer. 
     


    == 
    anyway idk if it's coincidence or no but parallels can be drawn between Seventeen and Infinite. 
    - debuted with beagle-dol concept 
    - kings of synchronization in their era 
    - part of the top kpop bg trinity at their peak: ShiBeIn - EBS 

    - further expanded their popularity when they started promoting in Japan 
    - their label getting acquired by one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) Kpop labels at that time 

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  7. 23 minutes ago, Your Biggest Fan said:

    Great performance but is this show actually popular?


    "Clarkson's show debuted in fall 2019 and became the most watched new daytime talk show in seven years. The current season — which returned to studio production after filming remotely in the spring and summer — is putting up solid ratings as well, averaging 1.31 million daily viewers and ranking in the top five syndicated talkers.

    "The Kelly Clarkson Show is one of the most optimistic success stories in first-run syndication," said Valari Staab, president of NBCUniversal Owned Television Stations. "Kelly is a beloved performer and host with deep roots at NBC, and we are delighted to have her continue to be a very important and treasured part of our stations' programming."

    The show won three Daytime Emmys in 2020, including one for Clarkson as best entertainment talk show host. Duda is the executive producer and showrunner." [x

  8. 33 minutes ago, Lubbin said:

    Hopefully Yiyang is gonna be on this show
     

    She’s an ex-SM trainee and was on two Chinese survival shows called The Next Top Bang & Produce Camp. She ranked #1 for the former and debuted in a short lived project group called Legal Bang, and on Produce Camp 2020 she was only 1 spot away from making the Bon Bon Girls lineup

    If Mnet’s goal for the Chinese lineup is to have a profitable it girl amongst them, Yiyang is the perfect candidate

    I still wonder why SM let her go, she would have fit in Aespa.  
    Hope she joins the show. 
     

    18 minutes ago, Cosmic Warrior said:

    Z-girls were a interesting project. But they were too diverse and they didn't sing in korean. Had they replaced the two east asian members with koreans(sorry Joanne & Mahiro), trained them a bit longer and debuted them as a Kpop, they would be a true global group. Despite just having members fro Asia. 

    Sadly, I agree with you. 
    Or mb adding 2 Kr members w/o replacing the curr members can still work since that would turn them into  a 9 member group.

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  9. 1 hour ago, eli said:

    around where i live theres been a lot of beekeepers reporting their hives to be completely gone, or dying out, its scary honestly

    that sucks. 
    We used to see/hear birds roosting in trees in the evening, fireflies glowing, and bats flying in our neighborhood at night, 
    we don't see/hear those anymore ever since my town cleared some of its forest/grassland to build 2 new residential districts more than a year ago. :._.: 
    == 
    But let's not lose hope. 
    One of the papers cited in the article suggests 8 steps we can take to save insects from further global decline: [x
    TL/DR: 
    Create insect-friendly habitats:
    1. Convert lawns into diverse natural habitats. 
    2. Grow native plants. 
    3. Reduce pesticide and herbicide use. 
    4. Limit use of exterior lighting. 
    5. Lessen soap runoff from washing vehicles and building exteriors, and reduce use of driveway sealants and de-icing salts. 

    Increase awareness and appreciation of insects:
    6. Counter negative perceptions of insects.
    7. Become an educator, ambassador, and advocate for insect conservation.
    8. Get involved in local politics, support science, and vote. 

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  10. 2 minutes ago, satoori said:

    Race/nationality/ethnicity it's all comes down to how a group looks. So an example of a global group, for you is Z-girls. (Filipina, Japanese, Indonesian, Vietnamese, Indian, Thai, Taiwanese) - Overall a group that's majority "Asian" is considered a global group in your book. I see.

    Despite the fact there are kpop groups and other artists from around the world who have way more popularity globally. I see.

    Yea I still disagree. The logic doesn't makes sense - to base it on nationality and race alone, in my opinion. 

    Unfortunately I couldn't find a Kpop group with more than one foreign member and with at least one non-Asian member. 
    More than one to prevent any issues with tokenism. 
    If Rania had another non-EA member aside from Fatou they could be considered a global group imo. 

    Let's just agree to disagree. 

  11. 10 minutes ago, satoori said:

    But let me ask you a honest question, since you're only basing it only "looks" what does a "global" group look like too you? Are certain nationalities required over others to be a global group? 

    you mentioned nationality but for me it's also about race/ethnicity. 
    For a survival show aiming for a global group I'd like it to have a more diverse lineup than what IOI had -- which was 10 EA members + 1 mixed EA/Caucasian member.  
    I'd be really happy if the group is at least as diverse as Z-Girls 

     

  12. 52 minutes ago, satoori said:

    In general, media from all over the world including Korea refer to BTS a global group.

    U.S. artists (who are popular globally) have been referred to as global artists too by US media too.

    e.g. U.S. artists are included on Billboards Global chart....

    Global, World, International, etc...honestly no matter how one twist it they all mean the same thing lmao XD

    At the end of the day, the logic some of y'all use would mean there is no such thing as a "global" group depending on perspective haha

     

    And yet mostly Kpop groups come up when you search for Billboard news articles with the specific "global group" tag. 
    Not Fifth Harmony,  not even Maroon 5
    In fact the only Billboard article where a non-Kpop artist is labeled a global group is when Maluma and J Balvin called Black Eyed Peas (which has a Mexican-Ameican and a Filipino member) a global group in a Billboard interview. 

  13. 11 minutes ago, satoori said:

    I guess, we all have different definitions of what's a "global group" lol ^_^

    Some base it simply on nationality of members while others base it on popularity and target market. 

    e.g. BTS is considered one of the biggest global groups in the world by media, industries and fans from all over the world. 

     

    Aren't Kpop groups called global groups by the US media because to them they're not a local group since they're not from the US? 
    If it's based on targeting the international market the terms used would be: world-famous, world-class, international superstar, global sensation, etc.  
    You don't see US articles calling Fifth Harmony a global group even though they had international hits and won awards in the UK and Japan. 
     

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  14. 1 minute ago, cornichon said:

    if we're going this route : capteen had 2 black contestants (yujin and francesca), 1 european (han byul). somi and alexa are of european descency. mnet's dancing show dancing high also had 1 black contestant (actor hwang yongyeon). so yes korea does have diversity in their survival shows lol

    like i said there's representation but not enough for a show aiming for a global group.

  15. 2 hours ago, Cosmic Warrior said:

    I'm probably gonna watch this because I'm a sucker for survival shows 😁 But getting tired them using the term ''global'' group, when it's just the usual east asian countries involved. If Mnet had include some parts of SEA, like Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia, I think more people would get excited. 

    Boys24 had Isaac (Malaysia), Produce X had Peak (Thai), Idol School had Natty (Thai) and Tasha (Singapore),  and i-Land had Hanbin (Vietnam) 
    so there's a history of SEA representation in Mnet survival shows. 
    But I partly agree that it's still not enough representation for a show aiming to make a* global group. 
    Esp when you compare it to China idol survival shows where they had SEA, European, and African contestants. 
     

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