stillmoon

This thread moves too fast for me to keep up with it! {Which is great, of course.} Since I took a few days to reply I'll actually go right ahead and tell you all about my dream first. Be warned, I tend to have weird, complicated and movie like dreams that seem to make no sense at all more often than not. My place. Jongin and I are watching a movie, probably a dark, mature superhero one {think The dark knight by Nolan}, pressing pause every once in a while to talk about topics related to the scenes we’re watching, probably going slightly off on a tangent too. After a while, he suddenly gets up and disappears from my sight, which worries me, because that behaviour –in my head- is unlike him; I thus follow after him toward the front door, but by the time I get there, it’s already closing, supposedly behind him. At this point I probably decide to get back to my living room {I think we were in my bedroom before, but I don’t remember entirely} and end up facing a full figure mirror- it’s not my reflection that is staring back at me though, but instead several scenes start playing on its surface, as if, again, it was some sort of TV screen.They’re mostly nature related- a dark forest at night, a rough sea and something else I can’t quite seem to recall-, but, and here’s where it gets even more odd, I can distinctly feel Jongin’s presence behind me as they play on the mirror. I’m so captured by what I see though that I don’t move at all. ...And that’s all, folks! I love his styling for the photoshoot! Does anyone know why Kyungsoo isn't there though? You did? [/lowkey envious] I wish I could backtrack to read about it, but I feel like I'd get lost in this thread...Was it the fluffy kind of sweet? I feel bad for having dreams about my bias that are completely weird and pointless- I swear, sometimes I don't get my subconscious at all. .-. Meh...I saw he's using the walking boot still, hopefully it's just to prevent reinjury, but it is a bit concerning. I doubt he'll be able to dance on stage too soon...But that's for the better. Let it heal once and for all before putting stress on it. I suppose he'll still be part of the concerts though, just sitting down? He was the one wearing it? You weren't in the dream at all? =D Well, at least your dream Kai has a great fashion taste! Those two gifs you posted are glorious. Where is the first one from? Seems like Overdose era to me...And I think I mentioned how his car scene is my favourite one in Lotto too. Oh come on! I just wrote two paragraphs about mine, baring my soul and all, won't you really go in a little bit more detail about yours? -puppy eyes- I don't think his injury is on that level -...hopefully-, but I am unsure about how long it will take to get back to his old dancing entirely. We should have some degree of faith in SM {...it does feel weird to say this}, after all they had singers like Onew and Tiffany have surgeries for vocal issues and they bounced back well {Tiffany does strain a lot imho, but that's more likely 'cause she tries to push her voice too far}, so they are able to take care of their idols when the situation calls for it, aka when they feel like their investment in these people might be in danger. They put a lot of time and money into training Jongin and he's the main dancer in one of their best selling groups, they know they can't just delay taking care of his health anymore. Which, on the other hand, makes me think the situation must be serious... Hello and welcome to the thread! Hope you enjoy your stay here. <3 Do share! I'm Always very curious, even more so when it's about weird dreams! ...Poor thing. Both you and Kai. One would want to be happy at least when dreaming but we're all stuck with sadness and weirdness. Could this be the effect of the string of bad luck he's had in 2016? BTW, it's entirely likely that some idols have been actually thraumatised by sasaengs...

Has anybody ever dreamt of him? I literally just had a somewhat weird one last night, but now I sort of feel bad about it, eventhough that's really silly. Those edited pictures are very skillfully done! And of course we realized that torso wasn't Jongin's for...reasons. I mean, we're good observers! -cough- Agreed with both of course. Personally, I'd like to know exactly what he injured and how bad it is, so we could at least have a general idea of the recovery time. I hope it wasn't a tendon, 'cause those take quite a while to heal. {Hello, lovely Achille's tendon in my left ankle!}

I want to thank everyone who is so kind to update this thread with Vixx related content. I really appreciate it! <3 Agreed, I'm putting this in a playlist with a couple of their other videos {right now I'm on Eternity}- I usually don't, but I have genuinely been listening to their songs on repeat anyway so... I'm so sorry about Leo...if I understood correctly The show withdrew their nomination because they can't perform? Does everyone think this was our last chance for music wins this cb?

That's what I'm wondering too...does anybody know? This ISAC thing needs to die a long, slow and painful death.

Is anybody else glad that Jongin wasn't forced to go to that Hawaii "vacation" thing? Someone in a thread mentioned that SM revealed quite a few details in order to promote their SM Town Travel agency and that seems like the most plausible reason for handling it this way. Better to keep resting {and probably do physical therapy} than to travel around the globe in order to be used as a marketing tool once more. I hadn't noticed the detail about the date/hour, you have a good eye! They probably thought it'd have more of an impact if the general public thought that it was a recent thing -as recent as it could be, given Jongin's injury-, who knows when it was actually taken... Very! Despite everything that he's been through he still shows genuine passion for being on stage, I think that takes real strength. Also, one of my personal favourites... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVYG7IdY8vM It touches my heart and at the same time it's so aestethically pleasing...especially with the rain pouring down. {Eventhough it concerns me a bit because of the chances of him slipping}

Those fancams looked so clear! And he seems so immersed in the performance, I truly hope he'll be able to go back on stage soon. Thanks for clearing this up, I was fearing this could be the case...But again, would Jongin really go on a date in a place where he not only knows they will be filmed, but that requires his consent to possibly use said footage? As you said, he may have signed it without giving it a second thought, that's entirely possible and understandable, but after all the mess with the alleged pool pictures, I think he would be extra careful about their privacy and not trust it on anyone else. It IS of course sad that it has to be this way for him, no doubt. Then again, I don't even know what the escape game would gain from releasing the pictures- if the comments we read are any indication, people don't seem keen on the idea that their footage too could be used so liberally. Honestly, it may be legal {if they do make you sign that paper}, but it sure as hell doesn't make them look very professional.

Hopefully it'll stay that way. If whoever released these pictures faces consequences -if, as I believe, it's illegal- and most of all if the media picks up that they're not getting a very emotional response from the public, then it's possible that the interest over these sort of matters will die down in the long run. [/wishful thinking]

It's been a few days guys, but better later than never! I did indeed miss it, it came out when I didn't have access to my laptop...a few -or maybe a lot at this point!- pages back I was talking about this photoshoot as if it hadn't taken place yet, which is what I believed at the time. I read the interview now, and Jongin never fails to surprise me. He sounds very little like you'd imagine a normal idol would, all perfectly clear, but a little flat pr approved answers- he always voices his thoughts in quite unconventional ways. I may not always get where he's coming from or what he means exactly {though some things could be lost in translation, which is why I hope to learn at least some basic Korean}, but he's always an interesting read. I personally think he must have a very peculiar way of processing information. Thank you, you sound perfectly fine too! Looking at your location, I think you've just met a fellow Italian. =] I like writing here for this very reason too, it helps me practise my skills which are quite rusty atm, since I really hadn't written anything this long in English for the past few years. =] I see where you're coming from. Of course it's only speculation, but I do agree that was an honest mistake on Xiumin's part- he must have been quite nervous too, and you know how some people get a little too carried away when attempting to be entertaining or to come off as funny...It was quite out of place though, but, as you say, it does seem like they are alright with each other at this point which is what matters most. On the topic of the day: I don't get why it's so important what Jongin does in his free time. As long as it does not hurt him or anyone else, why does it matter? He's an entertainer, a dancer, a singer- as long as he does his job well and is professional about it, he can go wherever with whomever he wants to. I do get that Kpop in general sells their idols as 'sexy free and single' {see what I did there?}, but those fantasies were already shattered when SM confirmed the relationship, so what is the use of leaking more pictures -whether fake or real- now? And no, that's not a rethorical question either- I'm genuinely interested in understanding who exactly gains anything from this and why they were released. I just found out now so I have no opinion as of yet, but really I have yet to read what is their source. Someone mentioned an Exo L, so were they shared by a normal "fan" {rather sasaeng then imho}?

Aww, it's adorable! I really like the colour of the envelope you chose too- I'm sure he'll cherish it. So...in the lovely thread about Kai breaking his mic and Suho looking like his soul was about to depart from his body, someone posted a link to this Kai World twitter: https://twitter.com/KaiiWorld Which photoshoot is the header from? I don't recall ever seeing that picture of Kai before- I thought he hadn't shown any skin at all in photoshoots since debut years.

Thank you! I'm sure I will. I've watched most of their videos and quite a lot of the VixxTV {I appreciate they include English subs already for international viewers too!} I have yet to check MyDOL though. Have you been in the fandom for a long time? Thanks for the link- I hadn't seen it yet. Beautiful, but I'm eagerly waiting for the drama version that they're supposed to release after Fantasy reaches 3 million views on YT {or so I've heard...} Thanks a lot! I'm really glad for the boys' first win today too. =] Ken definitely is very eye-catching in this comeback. I'm loving all your N signatures too!

No, English is my second Language too. Thank you, you're very kind. Agreed, I don't believe that all Gemini will fall in love today, but I find the possible ways in which the stars and seasons may influence human beings quite interesting too. I have been lucky to not have read such comments 'til now then...I thought he was mostly blamed for his supposed 'sex faces' while dancing- which I love, he has such an expressive face, but to each their own I suppose. You're right, it's ridiculous to assume they have to all be best friends forever! 24/7- like asking you to be extremely close to all your colleagues. {To me, as long as you're professional, the rest doesn't matter} That doesn't even mean you hate them at all either- you can care for someone and still get annoyed by them every once in a while. especially if you have to stick together all the time. Jongin, who imo is an introvert, probably ends up needing his space more than others too- they're known to be reserved and need time on their own to recharge after lots of social interaction, as it drains them instead of energizing them. Do you think that his relationship with Minseok was strained? I never thought they were really close but not distant either...If they're interacting more I'm glad though, in my mind Minseok has quite a mature personality that I like. As you read, he's going, so we're the lucky ones! =D Thanks a lot, I'm really looking forward to seeing him on Starshow! No worries and thanks for trying! I don't have a Jongin/exo/bias folder 'cause my old computer is already filled to the brim... It's very heartwarming to have further proof of him being such a sweetheart. <3 ...I wouldn't wear it even if I was absolutely sure I'd meet him- he'd end up leaving me in the middle of nowhere to find a restaurant and satisfy his chicken craving! It'd be interesting to know how this product will sell and why it was created though... Great news! Thanks for sharing them and for the welcome as well. He's quite an interesting topic, essay worthy indeed. ...It just happened to me too. We're just too much for OH to handle, I'm afraid. << Thank you! Did you just get back from Korea? Where did you go/ how was it?...Am I going too off topic? Ah ah, yes- I'm usually quite a thorough person and I'd been keeping my feelings and thoughts about Kai to myself for a long time, so they came out in a stream-like fashion. Don't be jealous, it's every bit a curse as it is a gift!

Hello everyone! New user here and fairly new fan too! I discovered Vixx around April and really regret not having found out about them sooner. Fantasy is a really great cb imho, I love how it manages to be epically dramatic {Vixx's strong suit if you ask me} and still blend in new elements. I wish them all the success they deserve; I'm really glad that, as far as I gathered, they are actually doing well in the charts too.

Hello L! Are there any gifs or videos/interviews where he talks about fan letters? I'm struggling to recall now, but I think it'd be very heartwarming to see/read. =] I would definitely like to do that, but, as Cat said, we may need a Korean native speaker... Thank you! I'll do my best, you all have always done such a good job at keeping this thread active over the years! Hi! Even knowing basic Korean is quite a big accomplishment imho- how did you go about learning it? I'm interested in it myself- I like getting things on my own and not have to wait for subs-, but it does seem to be quite complicated. Did you take a course or are you self taught? Speaking of thirst... Somebody mentioned the interesting position of Jongin's hand in the Group picture and now I can't unsee it. << Losing a long post nearly happened to me the other day...no fun at all. I do definitely have different sides to my personality- usually very calm and composed looking, but if you dig deeper one can definitely get burned under emotionally charged circumstances. Thanks! Are you interested in astrology by any chance? Thank you again, you're very sweet. I think your English is very good too and I appreciate it all the more, considering I'm not a native speaker either, so I'm well aware of the struggles one can have with this language. Hopefully I'm not scarying any lurkers away! =D Calling all lurkers, you don't have to write novels each time you post as some of us do, I promise! I'm certain we're all going to help each other grow by sharing our different povs on matters, usually Jongin related, but not only. =] Do those kind of comments occur often? That was the first I read of this type...and in a completely unrelated thread, mind you {it was about Taemin's Hit the stage performance}, so that made it look even more gratuitous. It could surely stem from that- you said it well, people who are average and envious of others' talents, but at the same time are unwilling to put in the hard work needed to make that talent flourish, do tend to drag others for insignificant things {if we start talking about the skin tone thing I may never stop- and I have to deal with two of my biases facing such unfairness, both Kai and N}. In this case it was even worse though, 'cause this person was hell bent on attempting to sound all knowledgeable not only about dancing, but about their group dynamics too. Speaking of, do we know if he's gonna film the variety show with the other members? I totally understand that- I'm mostly checking their performances because I like seeing how they're doing, how lively -or not- they are, and I'm also interested in seeing how they handle the coreo without Jongin. Lots of people share your feeling over Wolf...I'm actually in the minority who still enjoyed it. I thought it sounded really weird at first, but also somewhat cool, and the Tree of life in the end lured me in. Definitely not a favourite of mine, but I can see what they were going for. {The howling bits are a bit cringeworthy though...} The styling and concept for Overdose was divine. {Yes, I'm choosing to ignore the bucket hats and in general the clothes from the first scene. I pretend they don't exist} The song/dance too...though my favourite title track probably is Monster- SO intense. I loved the teasers and was worried the full version would disappoint me, but alas I loved it. As far as favourite track in general, that'd be hard to say...it depends on what mood I'm in. We seem to have very similar tastes! Kyungsoo has such a smooth and warm caramel honey voice that I'd have to make a real effort to dislike it. I loved his SM station song too! Edit: Aww, you're making me blush with all these compliments! Thank you, I sure hope that. <3

Accidental double post. And I just noticed that I can't delete posts. Oh well... I'll take this chance to welcome redsiwpy! Hi! I'm new as well!

Again thanks everyone for your warm welcome! It's very nice being here. =] Of course, respect is always the most important thing- if I couldn't stomach people disagreeing with my music taste, I'd have to stop making my bf listen to Kpop releases, since he rarely likes any! Won't stop me from trying though. {And I do get some small victories now and then, like finding Taemin's Mystery lover on his phone.} I do feel like everybody wants to see more of their bias all the time- it is, after all, quite understandable. I don't usually feel like Kai lacks screentime either- Sing for you, for instance, imho revolved around him, eventhough others still got quite iconic scenes like the fight and Kyungsoo screaming. That must be one of the videos I love the most- he moves like such a graceful ice swan! We also got Lightsaber...so surely other fans have it worse than we do. On the other hand, though, Jongin has little activities outside of Exo, meaning we mostly see him promoting with the group and not as often solo, as other members' fans do; I have a feeling that some of them tend to forget that. I look forward to seeing Kai on stage dancing to anything! Hello! I'm Shannen, but you can call me Moon if that's easier to remember. What's yours? It has been quite a rough year thus far indeed- let's hope that autumn will bring fresh new starts for everybody. Oh, I think they know right well the importance of his presence already- they wouldn't bother attempting to degrade it otherwise. {As someone said a few pages back, talk about Kai's impact!} If somebody knew Korean, we really could select some of our essay like comments, translate them, make a book out of them and mail them to Jongin! <3 Thanks for the explanation! Louder sounds oddly better to my ears than Lotto does either way... I totally agree with you on the promotion time...it feels as though they've barely stopped promoting Monster and Lucky one! I personally feel like that could be a reason why some of the boys {especially Soo} don't seem too much into Lotto/Louder- they must be exhausted {meaning even more so than usual}, which makes me feel like this repackage was a bit rushed. Putting it bluntly, yes, it does say quite a lot- about said "fans"! Not only are they selfish, as you stated, but also foolish, because a member's absence affects the whole group. Don't they realize that redestributing lines and adapting the coreographies take a lot of their favorite's time and effort as well? Which, given how tired and overworked all members of exo are on a daily basis, definitely takes its toll! Don't get me started on the sheer ridiculousness of comments like the ones you mentioned...just today I came by someone who blamed Kai for dancing too hard, too 'solo like', making the others look sloppy by comparison and stating that was proof of the members trying to outdo each other instead of working as a team. I'm not even going to dwell on it because when you get to the point of blaming a main dancer for dancing too hard, you're turning what should be a praise into a blaming game: it'd be pointless to even discuss with somebody whose vision is so upside down. I really hope he's taking this time to recharge himself not only physically but also mentally. Even if it'd be nice to hear something from him every once in a while through SNS etc, if going into hibernation is what he needs, then so be it. Thank you so much! Maybe we also share a similar taste for peaceful and tranquil atmospheres other than for Jongin then. {Even though I'm an Aries, the fire is toned down by my Taurus ascendant.} Not at all! I suspect, since you mentioned a certain site, that we must have read the same exact comments, which caused both our reactions. I think that the point of a thread like this is to share both the good and the bad, isn't it? Maybe trying not to dwell on the negativity is also important, but pretending it doesn't exist wouldn't do anybody any good imho. Sooner or later we all come to deal with stuff that makes us uneasy or even hurts us, so I think it's alright to help each other out in putting it into perspective and thus enabling us to move on. Yes, it has to evoke a precise emotion in me, that either matches the mood I'm in or helps me change it if I wish to. Playboy for instance is good when I feel/want to feel sexy and playful, Baby don't cry matches sadness and melancholy, Sing for you serenity etc. Monster makes me feel powerful and dark, a combination I personally love. =] I agree, if Lotto had been the main promoted title track of the cb it'd have been much worse- had it been up to me I'd have swapped its place with Lucky one, which can stand on its own just fine imho, but that's me. At least we got a solid cb in June. Surely his absence has concerned us all and made us "easier targets", so to speak. Luckily the few vicious comments seem to come from a minority, so it's a matter of acknowledging they come from a place of dissatisfaction and letting them go, but it's quite easier said than done, especially right after you read them. I'm a long time lurker indeed. I didn't have much time and I was already writing so much academic related stuff that I knew I'd have imploded if I started writing essays here too! ...And I know myself well, looking at my posts here thus far! =D I got interested in them before CMB; Overdose was the first song of theirs that truly caught my attention. Up until this point I was just lowkey following them, mostly for Kyungsoo's vocals, then they came back with LMR and -I think it was in Sketchbook- I saw pink haired Kai with the striped red and white shirt. He commanded my attention, by looking much more...mature than the others {the styling in some of the LMR performances surely didn't help!} and that's how he lured me in. The funny thing is that I discovered most of my biases through Jongin: Taemin {I knew of Shinee of course, but hadn't listened to their songs} and N from Vixx {I first heard of them when someone mentioned Vixx's Ravi being friends with Kai}. Clearly I must have a type, favouring charismatic performers who are known for their dancing skills {eventhough I love all of their voices too.} {{No worries, Kyungsoo kept his position as my second bias in exo. His honey voice helps with that.}}

Hello, thank you! I'm glad you came around to appreciating Lotto, I wished it would have been a case of it taking a few listens, but, like you said, it's okay! Quite frankly I wouldn't really know what 'exo' is supposed to sound like, 'cause even before Lotto they had very different sounding title tracks: imho Mama doesn't sound like Call me baby at all, Growl was also very different for them, and obviously Wolf...{which I actually sparingly enjoy!}. The point is that this particular type of music experiment is maybe a bit more...dramatic? if you will, than others and less pleasant to me, but better luck next time! I did read in the OH thread that a few stated they missed him, which made me feel better- yes, it was another site, there weren't a lot of comments in general, but roughly half of them were of the kind I talked about above, which is actually what prompted me to finally make an account here! I totally agree with you on his important role as a performer- EXO has several good dancers, each adding a different 'flavour' to their performances, but I really believe that in terms of sheer aura he stands out a lot. There is a reason SM tends to favour him as the centre. Thank you! All these beautiful Kai gifs! I love how you all use them. <3 I'm still following them because I care about the boys in general, so even if I don't love this Kai-less song, I still watch the performances, but I'm not enjoying them throughly. Drama surely doesn't help. Detaching oneself from the situation and looking at it objectively, such comments are indeed quite amusing in a way- being able to do so is the challenge! About the video: I literally felt that I mostly saw him in the beginning and then he mostly faded in the background, so I was a bit unsatisfied too, but apparently he's fourth in terms of screentime, after Chan, Baek and Suho. Here's the thread I was talking about, the poster attaches a YT video too: http://onehallyu.com/topic/380889-exo-screentime-in-lotto/ Honestly I would have never guessed...maybe we feel that way because we get most of him at the very beginning and then we only see him for very short scenes and he's missing the entire coreography? Or we're just biased. << I loved the way he casually hung out in the back of that car btw, so effortlessly creepy and attractive... How I got into EXO: I knew about them because...well, they're EXO, so I heard about their drama mostly {TaeBaek and members leaving}, so after a while I got curious and wanted to listen to some of their songs. I think Overdose was the first I liked, me being into dark-ish concepts and sounds, and I remember that back then Kyungsoo's voice was the one which stood out to me so I lowkey started keeping an eye on him and the band. This was two springs ago, so enter Love me right, {I think it was the Sketchbook performance -the one where Kai is wearing the red striped shirt-}, and I remember immediately noticing him and thinking 'who is he and why have I not noticed him in the Overdose video?' and that was it. I've been following them closely since then. I still have a weakness for pink haired Kai. {And Kyungsoo is still my second favourite after Jongin} Thank you! Offtopic, but does anybody know why they have to promote it as Louder? Is saying 'lotto' considered inappropriate because it'd be endorsing gambling or what? I'm really glad that most fans -K ones included as far as I know- seem to be supportive of him, it's always the vocal few {which I've apparently been unfortunate enough to meet} that ruin it... I have been a fan for a year and a half now, so I'm not sure if his fans have ever gone through quite a rough patch as this before, but I'm sure he'll be okay in the end. What matters the most is his health and hopefully he's taking care of it now; I sprained my ankle myself last January and to this day it still bothers me sometimes so I can only imagine how he must feel. I think I read that he had a GQ photoshoot so at least we have that to look forward to! Thank you again everyone for your warm welcome. I'll make sure to keep posting- or at least try to!

Hello everyone, first post in this thread and first post ever on this site {I have, however, been reading what you all share for about a year now!} I appreciate how level minded and mature the users here seem to be, so I'm quite sorry to say that I have to start on a quite sad/disappointed note, but I feel like I have to express my thoughts, however negative or repetitive they may be, somewhere, and, since I know no one irl who shares my interest in korean music/entertainment in general, I'll have to burden you all. Sorry in advance for that! First of all, this comeback. It's a repackage, I get it, but I can't help but feel it's lackluster compared to Exo's nearly flawless discography. Since I haven't really been feeling releases from SM this year {Taemin aside}, I was so, so glad the boys had been given such great title tracks for Exact -Monster literally took my breath away and Lucky one grew on me really quickly-, with interesting coreographies -Monster again- and a connection to their storyline since Mama years; quite honestly I felt as though we had 'dodged a bullet', so to speak. Enter Lotto, which, unfortunately, doesn't do it at all to me. The live version is surely better and I feel like the boys' stage presence and hard work makes the song...bearable, but as soon as I attempt to listen to it on my headphones only without images I just can't connect with the music at all. {Am I the only weird soul who has to 'connect' to a song to listen to it on a daily basis? Yes? Moving on.} I honestly was not even too disappointed because I thought that, being a repackage with -according to lots of people at least- a shorter promo cycle, I would have hopefully enjoyed their next release. Of course Jongin's absence saddened me on one side, but on the other we all know how much he needs to stop and look after his health in order not to have long term consequences from his injuries. What really stung was some Exo L's attitude. I understand being happy that their biases got more screentime {eventhough, according to a thread here, Kai actually got quite a lot of screentime in the video, which I would have never said- but that could be just me being greedy}, attention and a chance to showcase their talents, but is it really necessary to go as far as saying that Kai's absence is not even noticeable at all? First things first, that's not true- and no, I'm not just saying that because I admire his skills and charisma, but because if his presence was really as worthless as they imply, why feel the need to rush to point it out in their one line comment? The sheer fact that they pay so much attention to someone who's not even there shows just how deep his impact on them is. Not only such comments are quite flawed, but, most of all, mean. Everyone who follows Exo, even superficially, is well aware of how much time, effort, energy and pain Jongin puts in all their performances- he's not just there because of his undoubtedly pretty face, but because he gives it his all, always has and -hopefully within reason- always will. Now, to almost gleefully announce that he may as well not be there because who even notices him? is in such a poor taste that I can't even begin to describe it. Focus on your own favourites, rejoice their chance to shine, but don't bring down a talented hard worker who's currently away because of his damn injuries. I wonder if they think that their biases -we know who they are, but these boys have no control over such vicious fans of theirs, so I'm leaving them out of this- would be proud of having 'fans' that feel like they can only be praised to their band-mate and friend's detriment. Kudos to whoever managed to read thus far and sorry again for venting. I'll go back into hiding now.