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This video goes down to Eb3, again a bit breathy but it had vocal tone and it wasn't that quiet. Not bad at all, resonant? Not really. But definitely much more supported than Sohyang down there. Not impressive as a comparison because again Sohyang's lower register was never super strong. So yeah definitely a better lower register than Sohyang. Her voice is much smaller though and thinner in terms of weight and color.
So this video, even though studio, showed her lower register. Now I have no problem calling her lower range supported, but dear, don't just say "I'd call it resonant". I thought it was a "fact"? A fact isn't what one chooses to call something, it either is resonant or isn't, and honestly it just isn't. But it's definitely supported and she has a lovely lower register, I was very pleased with her Eb3's, they were quiet but they were clear so that was pretty good. Resonant on those G3's and Eb3's and F3's? Idk wouldn't call that stuff resonant. Supported though and very nice ^ ^ and twins, explains a lot.
You're mixing two people. I would call it resonant, as it was projected.
Also, please stay consistent. I get what you mean, but your post contradicts itself, to be honest.
Which video? I didn't post a studio video.
OOPS. IGNORE THAT.The point of the comparison is that her lower register is better than SoHyang's. Just because SoHyang's isn't that great, the comparison isn't moot. It's what the comparison meant to highlight (not that I'm intending to compare now).
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Ah so not siblings, dorm mates. And that's great, thanks for the trivia I guess? The second video didn't really show anything for lower register, the first one I went to the part u pointed out. The second video had a nice A3 and that one u pointed out I hear G3 which is definitely supported and somewhat projected, dunno if I'd call it "resonant" but yeah definitely a supported G3. Again is that surprising and impossible? nah but good for her.
No, twins and dorm mates.
I just thought it was interesting. The first one, I actually listened through the whole thing and realized the second performance in the first video had more in the way of that, I think. I'd call it resonant. No one said it was surprising or impossible, just that her lower register is developed and supported.
Anyway, there are more, but I don't know any of the titles, so I can't really post them. Maybe he will whenever he gets settled in Korea. Anyway, what a beautiful voice.

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Babs = Barbara Streisand?
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Probably because she debuted so long ago and hasn't been that active. And she's not an idol so...not much international interest.
Yeah, it's kind of sad, though.
The only reason I clicked on her videos to begin with is because she bears an uncanny resemblance to my aunt. Literally, they could be twins.
I've tried seeing who might have possibly influenced her from the West, but Babs is the only one I can think of. She's covered a few of Babs's songs before. She did Whitney at her most recent concert, but there's no video of it.

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Relevant: LSH's latest single (first in years)
idk who's better but LSH is obviously regarded very highly in Korea and she seems to be one of the better vocalists out there
LSH is very underrated in the international community for someone of her talent. I really love this song, too.
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I personally don't agree but that's just me.
Don't just say it's a fact like it's a fact, cuz we've seen that before and I've already said a certain chinese singer whom you both were defending tends to go off key and get pitchy often and at times hoarse and throaty, although for style, she isn't exactly "perfect" and her lower register wasn't nearly as projected and it was made out to be. Yes she's a very good vocalist, but points that were stated as facts were proven wrong, so I would appreciate it if you did show us the evidence for Lee Sun Hee's range, how it goes lower than Sohyang's, how her lower register is much better, how her mixed register is more resonant and developed than Sohyang's and same for her head voice. I do know she is good and that she can sing with different styles, I would never deny that, but the whole register thing is just like uhm okay? I mean it's almost as effective as how, no shade intended, you have stated that your supported range goes up to D6 when anything above E5 ~ F#5 has a pushed tensed throat with an excessive amount of air and too much tension in your tongue as well. You stated a supported range up to D6 as if it were a fact, so I asked you to show it to me, and then I could conclude that it was no fact. Honestly this isn't meant as shade in anyway, this is just plainly meant as me going against your definition of "fact" just because you speak with "confidence". I honestly have no issue in admitting Lee Sun Hee is better than Sohyang, in case she is, because if she is then she is and she is quite great, the issue here isn't that, it's how that idea is being perceived and pushed as if it were, as you say, "deal with it, it's a fact".
Her lower register IS pretty projected. Honestly, I've heard so much LSH before (same dorm room) that I've asked him stop playing her, so I've definitely HEARD it, but I'm not sure about titles.
Around 1:00~1:20, especially the 1:06 area and the second performance.
I'll post this one again, but it's been posted before:
She shifts seamlessly and evenly through all her registers here.
Anyway, he's on a flight to Korea now, and I don't know when he'll be available to post, so I decided to post those two because I do know those.

And, as a side note, Huang Ma in her prime could sing circles around just about anyone. I read recently that one of her songs is actually used on the 10th (I believe out of twelve?) level of China's national vocal exam. I'm not too familiar with the exam, but I did ask my Chinese friends about it, and they said that 10 is a high level and that the exam is a very professional exam for vocalists and is given either through the government or through universities.
As of now, it's the only song no one has managed to completely sing with full marks. -
Can we move on from Lee Sun Hee vs Sohyang? This is getting hackneyed.
Her lower register isn't as good as David is making up to be. Also upper register Sohyang>LSH /end
Now move on everyone.
Her lower register is amazing as is her mid register. LSH's upper register is good, too. She just doesn't use it all that often. And, LSH lower register >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sohyang's. /end
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It was back when I lived in Germany so I didn't really know him, but the song would be on TV, so I remember it. I love the song, but not him singing it personally
no <3
I have some free time, show me LSH's resonance from bottom to top. I'm up for fun rn lol
There are enough clips posted here, to be honest. I don't really stan LSH, so I don't feel like doing all that. XD
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Die Schatten werden länger what a title. The song is awesome tbh LOL The singing, pitch wise it's good and nice harmonies but god every single high note, there was only throat in it. They were mostly yelling the high notes with their throats, like a big amount of it was in their throats. Now is that bad? Partially yeah but I guess it fit the song in itself, but I don't feel they were doing it 100% on purpose either. It fits but it was quite painful to listen to at times.
ik this song ugh I dont remember from where, she was slightly pitchy cuz this is too low for her and oh that falsetto out of nowhere was not... exactly good, his switching into head voice wasn't smooth when it happened, he would get slightly pitchy and stuff.. the way he was styling his rhythm and how he was chopping up some parts of the melody was slightly weird and not exactly musical, but that's my personal opinion on it of course. Vocally not bad, but slightly messy. I listened to the studio version, at times he rubs the inner sides of his throat muscles against his vocal cords and creates a screechy sound, usually in the upper part of the range and when he switches into head voice and his throat isn't 100% opened and so his sound can be quite small...but not like bad... his voice is quite high too
who's he? was he high like he was feeling himself there..LOL and missing out some words lol srsly he was like....really crazy LOL maybe thats why his name is that lol yeah some flatness here and there, some nice resonance when he started being all crazy in the second verse lol and he used some real ass head voice at the end lol but srsly wtf lol he was straining a few notes which is odd for him, he was slightly unstable and very occasionally pitchy. Some resonance but not stable still weird... he's not like that usually
1. nobody insinuated her lower register was resonant or that she is resonant in all he register, Akisame was clearly talking bout her upper register and anything above that unsupported/inconsistent area of her voice 2. lol siblings
Omg Ik you're asking bout Woohyun, but god Sunjong, L and whoever the first guy to start singing just omg. I mean really tho L was what made me cringe.. ANYWAY LOL Idk Woohyun sounds odd here, he sounds like he was struggling vocally as if he was sick or very very tired
Akisame said it wasn't a fact that LSH was more resonant in all her registers.

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This is a clear case of someone not being able to accept that Sohyang just isn't as resonant. PERIOD. She's not. Get over it. It's a fact. She's not as resonant in all her registers, nor is she as resonant in everything she sings. Stop replying to dead topics. I'm glad to know you've surveyed the accuracy and ability of all South Korean music critics and know their scientific backgrounds.
The truth of the matter is, no one's changing his/her mind, and this topic is already dead. I don't think anyone in this forum wants to go into another Sohyang debate.Nah, it's not a fact bae xoxo.
I thought it was pretty much accepted that SoHyang doesn't have too great of a lower register? From the Kpop vocal analysis blog:
"Lower Register: Not well supported/quiet below G#3/A3 lower notes can sometimes be lost due to the airiness of them."
Or, do you not agree with that?
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I'm not getting into this with you again. Track back a couple pages and you'll find I've answered this already.
There's nothing really to get into. But, yeah. Whatever. =P
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Oh no. We are NOT getting into this whole visual affects the audio.
It's the visual CAN--not that it always does, and you can tell if it is or isn't based on the sound. I'm not saying anything about a particular performer, just the action in general.
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Because she can. It has nothing to do with her technique just a visual effect.
I'm not saying it's poor technique here, but jaw moving is not a "visual effect." It serves no purpose. As far as I know, it can occur from trying to produce vibrato in an unnatural way, tension somewhere, or being very relaxed and not paying particular attention to it--which isn't a bad thing. That's what I've read/heard at least. But, I fail to see it as a visual effect as it has no aesthetic value and can appear to be poor technique. Obviously, one can tell if the vibrato is healthy and the sound well-supported if they know what to look for and the jaw isn't a big deal there, but to others, it could look incorrect. I fail to see why anyone would intentionally sing that way if they have good technique. Just my opinion, at least. Sure, I guess someone could, but it would just be weird. =\
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You think so ?
1. No one needs to go that high and I'm sure Opera Basses have to go below F2. In actuality, and this is just my opinion, anything above Eb6/E6 is just being extra, you don't need to go that high. But I have heard an F6 be done by an Opera singer check out Diva's Song. And opera singers have gone up to G6 at times. They don't go that high simply because it's A)Extra B)Harder to do in head voice (whistle start on Eb6..so training your voice to do those notes in head voice can be a pain)
2. And I was just telling you those points were moot.
"Queen of the Night" requires multiple F6s, and I've seen one song call for F#6. Not that you're wrong, just I don't really see these notes as being extra, even if they aren't common as you said. But, that's just what I think/feel.
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I LOVE opera. Just my two cents. If I could sing like Sumi Jo ... *____*
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I got -1 for posting my range
Why? I was serious, y'all ... 
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For me, my full range is g#2 - A6, but I can only support up to about D6 well and kind of support up to f#6, but after that it's a mess and not worth mentioning. I'm most comfortable in the high fourth and up to low sixth octave. ._. I'd like to be able to support more, but singing is just my hobby, not something I take that seriously.
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Variety show and commercial pop song are different. I know on variety show the contestant tend to be very westernized. On show it is really impressive. But on other hand, general mandarin song are not going into that direction. Again, look back to western the Voice or other talent show, how can they represent the trend on pop music by looking at Billboard top 100.
Ah. Good to know. XD I've never really paid much attention. I don't listen to pop all that much, so I've never noticed disparaties in style.
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Popular ones do not growl.
I'm just basing off the ones I've seen. Haha
From watching Chinese singing shows, when singers growl, the crowd seems to react favorably. It's almost the highlight of the performance. Almost every male contest on Na Ying's team from season 1 growled/gruffed it up quite a bit.
That being said, I'm not saying you're wrong. XD I don't listen to much Chinese music, so I'll trust you on that one.

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You don't have to agree with my preferences and I do agree with you about the stylistic, it's questionable. But you can't deny she goes off pitch and sharp or flat at times, unless it's something you're not able to hear, then it's not my fault. The G5 and Bb5 were definitely nice, maybe you're right, maybe she just doesn't do great in duets.
@1:11 there's a random G5 here for some reason lol I think u might be right oh well then Jessica's highest is F#5 awww
I won't try to deny it. No one is perfect. My main point was that she's a good deal better than what you could tell from 'Without You." And, she's forty-six now, and seeing how well her voice has held up, I think minor pitch issues aren't that big a deal.
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I do hear her voice, I'm saying there's an obvious drop in support and like I said below G3, not that supported. Lemme hear every single one
1st. This isn't bad at all, compared to that other one mostly even. This was good, well controlled, breathing wise and all, I'm not entirely familiar enough with the genre to judge precisely but vocally, she has the tendency to be gruff more than just "at times", most high notes were gruff, some sounded too throaty, most were just stylistic and I can hear it is stylistic, some were tense, very few and there was one run I felt was wrong but otherwise yeah mostly very nice. Most of the time she's just growling too much, but yeah one was specially a bit too throaty and one questionable run at 1:11 ish mark. Yeah that 4:12 note was nice.
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Nice, this is my favorite so far, no growling and it's nicer overall. She has the tendency to growl
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This wasn't bad per se, it's just annoying? LOL I mean it's not bad but she really growls too much and it really gets old too quickly and it takes away from the music personally I feel. But yeah it's a stylistic choice, it's just an overused one, which shows lack of musicality since she's not choosing when to use it, here and there, she's doing it. All. The. Time. That's more like an addiction, not even a bad habit, but just a choice that's done too often, yknow what I mean?
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Ik this song from somewhere.. lol Again some growling happening a bit too often, one pulled her a bit pitchy at one point. The Bb5 was well mixed, yeah this was good too mostly. She does have control.
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8:54 she went too sharp and descended wrong in that line, she was going to land on C, hit a wrong note on the way down and ended in between C# and C. That's not excusable, she's singing in chinese. Woo the runs afterward when both girls started singing were going off key too.. 9:48 that harmony, I don't think the girl taking the melody was off, but someone definitely was off and Mrs Huang sounded off at the end of that harmony.
Conclusion is, she's definitely not a bad vocalist, she has some stylistic choices that get annoying, her pitch isn't 100% perfect but she's not bad, I'm giving her the upper belts, you haven't shown me anything that proves she can support anything lower than G3, but yeah she's good. Without You wasn't excused though, it still was pretty bad, even more so in contrast. If I said she was not a good vocalist, then I'll take it back in that case, she's definitely not bad at all, she does have her issues that may have to do with age for overly growling to get certain notes out or overdoing an effect simply and others to do with pitch that isn't 100% consistent in all performances. And that performance was definitely off, without excuses, you mentioned celine dion too? Would that work for english? Either way yeah this shows good vocal ability, thank you for posting all of this I hope you do take into consideration what I'm saying.
Haha. The low register video is a traditional song, so I didn't bother to post.
I've noticed a lot of Chinese singers growl a lot. Maybe it's a preference? I don't know.
That vid, I felt was more Janis Joplin inspired. She's listed as one of her favorite vocalists.
She does Celine better than she does Mariah but not as well as her Chinese songs.
She can have very clear high notes with no gruffness. I honestly think in her upper register it's all stylistic, but there are times in the mid register where I've questioned it (but she did have a fever of 102°, so maybe that's why?). Her belts of G5 and up are stellar.
I've seen a lot of people say she is a good soloist and a bad duet partner. Maybe she's not so great at harmonizing. Haha
If you are interested, she growls less in early years (she still does, but I think '05 was when she really started it a lot). Some of her best stuff is from around 2000~2008, but not much was recorded because she wasn't that popular.
Thanks for taking the time to watch them. I don't agree with everything, but I respect your opinions.

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I never excused Sohyang's 2006 straining but no matter what I say you'll find a reason to excuse her faults. She was off in vowels, not consonants, one does not use consonants to vocalize. I do not call being weaker than the music projected but I'll agree to disagree cuz no matter what I say you won't agree. She intentionally tried to do smth and went off strained and was pitchy, which shows a failed attempt at something, which is called lack of vocal ability since she failed, no? I will forever disagree, accent and language don't cause pitchiness. Anyway gimme the ones you think are good, please, I've been waiting. Please gimme something I can judge fairly on, so genre wise something she can do decently oh and something I'm familiar enough with.
I would say it depends on voice type and range, that song has a couple of runs and the range is a bit challenging, how do you like country? Lol I think downtown by lady antebellum is easy lol depends on what you like.
Because I don't think she's straining due to lack of vocal ability. :P I say she failed to sound like Mariah, for I've noticed she attempts to impersonate foreign singers when singing foreign songs--especially Celine. I think had she just sang naturally without forcing herself in such a way, it would have been better. I don't think it is weaker than the music, though, and I'm not sure why you don't hear it when I hear it above everything perfectly fine. But, yeah, we'll have to disagree on that one.
I just got on a computer, so I'm looking for some clips.
This one is pretty recent, and I'm including it to illustrate that she does have a stylistic preference to be gruff at times. You'll see what I mean when you watch it. It's obviously intentional. But, around 4:10 she belts, and the sound is well-supported and resonant. The opening runs are all open, too.
Granted this performance is a little older and the quality isn't that great, but I'm including it just because I believe it shows how powerful and resonant her voice can be when she wants it to be.
This clip is to illustrate this sound is entirely a stylistic preference. It's actually adlibbed, and I think it shows that her musicality isn't to be scoffed at.
EDIT: This has a nice Bb5 belt around
2:202:40or so.For this one, the performance is a duet and starts around eight minutes. Her voice is very resonant and powerful here and she exhibits a great deal of control.
There are some amazing performances from her early years, too, but that doesn't necessarily reflect her abilities now, so I won't include them. At the very least, after watching these, I hope you'll see that she's a good deal better than what one would initially judge from her "Without You" performance.
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But it's not projected? I don't understand how you can say it's projected, like I don't think you understand the concept of projecting. Projecting doesn't mean there's a small sound coming out that can be heard, it's a sound that's actually overpowering that of the music and it's clearly heard over the music, like that of Mariah's, hitting exactly the same notes and you can hear every notes clearly at a normal volume, she didn't lose her column of sound because she is able to keep those notes well supported, mrs. huang wasn't able to keep the notes supported and lost her column of sound.
Oh no I'm not saying she is as good as Christina, cuz I mean that'd be insulting, I'm saying yeah she can choose to do it, it's exactly throaty, it was just awkward, it's her choice and her thang, but yknow doesn't necessarily fit the genre or the music so that's taking away from it.. but I respect that's her thing and she's experienced and has a long career, regardless of musicality or adapting to different genres. I'm not saying her straining, not the screamo thing she did, I'm saying the actual going sharp and straining, a good amount of times, I'm sorry if it's taking away from the music and if it's really "intentional" as you're excusing it to be, then it's a bad musical decision because it interferes with the delivery of the music if it takes away from the key center. She's not adding blues notes, she was straining and going off key, and sounded pitchy, why on earth would anybody choose to do that? Throatiness is stylistic, raspiness, breathiness, all excusable styles and onsets, going off key and literally struggling to hit notes isn't a stylistic choice, it's a technical fault.
I feel from your replies calling it all intentional and excusable, maybe we should stop discussing this as I feel it isn't going to go anywhere..
Lip synching is common in the music industry and it's perfectly fine. People overly judge people for it, but there's nothing wrong with it. Many times we're not healthy, many times the sound people aren't good, it's oftentimes needed, you can't be singing live all the time, sometimes the stages and places you perform at aren't ready for you to be performing live and you gotta make sacrifices for a better performance overall. It's perfectly fine, of course it shouldn't be done in a live solo concert, that's completely against the whole concept of it, but it can be excusable and it happens everywhere, not just in K-pop.
that's a perfect way to look at it actually, it sounds as if it's rounder, of course then associating it with a circle makes perfect sense. It's a rounder, fuller sound, as opposed to a high skyscraper being throat in air, it's like waves of sound just coming out one after the other.
I call it projected because I do it hear it over ë”ì› and the music. I just don't think it was emphasized as much because it wasn't as sustained.
I still base the pitchiness off the language, and the stained sound as a result of attempting to produce a sound similar to Mariah in a language she doesn't speak. By this, I mean mimic a tone she doesn't usually produce. In that respect, it is intentional, not that she managed to achieve the sound she wanted, which I still chaulk mainly up to language and then to singing in a tone she usually doesn't. You could call it a bad musical decision, and that's fair enough, but I think it was more of her attempt to try and be as close to the original in sound as possible in an attempt to minimize her acccent. It obviously didn't work, but, again, I don't think staying on pitch was her main priority, and this is by far one of her worsr performances. I wouldn't say she had trouble hitting the notes: she can hit them just fine. I've already stated why I think they sounded as they did here.
Yes, we will probably get no further in debating this particular performance.
OOPS. IGNORE THAT.
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She pulls notes like that all the time.
1:30 and 2:54
The power behind her voice is unbelievable.
Such control she has, too.