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And, that's a true coloratura.
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Oh, I wasn't specifically mentioning that in response to SoHyang. I don't like her performance much because she doesn't carry the tune well (some places AT ALL) and fails to sound soulful (to me), but that's my opinion. I was just floating out the idea I read. He'd argue that emotions aren't subjective, just how we respond to them is, but I'm not saying I agree/disagree. Just that it's out there.
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Just thought it was an interesting idea?
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I read an interesting thesis once that stated that humans do have a way to determine emotions from the voice and that it's an important part of communication. For example, that we can tell anger, sadness, etc from another person's voice in conversation and that the ability to do this isn't just lost when someone sings. It was a pretty long and in-depth thesis, and I don't remember all the details (and I'm not trying to choose sides), but there is actual scholarship that suggests that it would be more than just a popular opinion.
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Tarja was originally in school to be an opera singer, and it was her goal, but she switched to lied music. She holds at least two degrees--one from the Finland's best music school. She's come a long way from what she was. IDK, she's doing a lot more classical pieces these days. They aren't opera-singer level, but they are still very good. Tarja does have a very heavy accent, but I attribute that to her being Finnish. She's always resonant and has an incredibly even scale. I think her upper register is starting to sound a little ugly, but I think that's my personal preference. Tarja's only a few years shy of forty, but yeah, definitely better than Floor by a mile. I'd say she is the best singer in metal but maybe not the best metal singer. EDIT: I had the fortune of seeing Anette live, and she was much better than expected. She's got a GREAT personality and (personally) a great voice, even if her technique isn't always sound.
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Yeah, that's horrendous, but she's not really a classical singer, so she shouldn't even have tried that, tbqh. Yes, she is, but Tarja's still not an opera singer. She's had extensive classical training, though her focus was on chamber music and not opera.
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I've heard her go throaty and stuff, but I'm never sure if it's because of her abilities or because she's singing metal. Anyway, yeah. I don't think she's as good as everyone thinks she is. Thanks for the response.
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Just curious as to what y'all think of this performance I go back and forth about how good I think she is.
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My speakers are fine. There is a small moment of scratchiness. Ah~ I re listened. The time is a little past 50 seconds in the sustained ìš”~~~
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It was clear enough to make me cringe. No, I personally don't care if you post or not. I just find it hypocritical that no one seems to have a problem with it.
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Yeah. She went a little scratchy in that performance, by the way. (around 46~47 seconds) How can you just spam with your fave, btw? Others were clearly told to stop.
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Yeah, I'd say it's soft, but not very soft. Not very soft at all
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How low would you say she is going? I'm not good at note identification. Even though besides her register bottoming out a few times, it wasn't bad vocally, I think there was something missing in that for me. I wouldn't call the last note "very soft," either.
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This. No one's perfect, so there's always something to say about any singer, so it's really pointless, I think. It's almost subjective in a sense. I mean, not that the study is subjective, but if one were to say "Beyonce's lacks "b," which is less important than lacking "a," so she's better than Mariah because Mariah lacks 'a.'" It's a little silly, to be honest. I mean, the point of this thread is to educate, and no one can learn anything from over analyzing singers like them. I don't know if you agree with everything I said, but I basically agree with you 100%.
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I think you're missing the point. Both you and Jiyul stated that above Eb5 Beyonce isn't as optimally resonant as SoHyang. I simply mean that if an even column of sound (even optimal resonance throughout the range) can be achieved through technique in classical music, I refuse to believe the argument that Beyonce's not as optimally resonant in her upper range because of where her tessitura is. SoHyang has evenness in her range when her voice bottoms out in the lower register? It's not evenness if you can't even sing the US National Anthem and be heard the entire time. Beyonce has evenness when you've already stated her upper notes aren't as optimally resonant (even if you're equating it to her voice type)? I fail to see how that's logical. I'm taking into consideration what you're saying, but it seems like if someone took your same argument and flipped it (SH's lower notes aren't so resonant/powerful because her voice type is like that, etc) it wouldn't hold water. I think anyone, including myself, would say that she has a lower register that is less developed and isn't even compared to the rest of her voice. But, it's okay to admit that Beyonce isn't as optimally resonant in her upper-mid to high register, but that it's okay because it's her voice type? Again, I'm not talking about how loud/powerful her voice is or how projected it is (because as people love to tell me when I don't need to be told) projection =/= resonance. If SoHyang's voice is bigger, that's one thing, but if we say she's MORE RESONANT than Beyonce above Eb5, Beyonce doesn't have optimal resonance. Now, if all anyone meant to say was, "SoHyang's voice is naturally bigger and more comfortable in the upper register and has better quality" that's one thing, but that's not what was said. I get the notion that you're telling me, "We didn't mean what we wrote/we didn't mean that she wasn't as optimally resonant, even though that's what we said/we actually just meant it's more natural for SH and ignore what we said about SH being more resonant" It's pulling in so many different directions. You may be completely right in what you're trying to say, but, again, there's a disconnect between what you're actually saying and the logic and criteria used to judge vocalists in this thread.
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That's not really what I meant, though. I agree that Beyonce's lower register is like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. SH's But, I would definitely say that SH has a better hv, too. Anyway, that's not what I mean. I Just mean that, I don't see how SoHyang (ANYONE) can have more resonance than someone who is "optimally resonant," and if you admit that the person isn't optimally resonant, how you can deny that technique can make a scale even, with optimal resonance from bottom to top. I agree that SoHyang's upper register is more resonant, but I personally don't see how Beyonce is optimally resonant if so. I'm not saying someone who disagrees with that is wrong, just that I don't understand it. And, that I think any answer that says that Beyonce's technique is perfect but still she fails at achieving optimal resonance is inconsistent with both the criteria outlined by and the purpose of this thread. I wasn't being specific because I had honestly forgotten who it was specifically--just that it happened. So, sorry if it came across that way.
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Also, I find it quite hypocritical how many people run to the mods when they get a neg, but neg me just for asking questions about vocal technique (the purpose of this thread, btw), ESPECIALLY when I state that I'm not trying to argue but that I don't understand something being discussed and ask for clarification. It defeats the purpose of the thread.
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How so? Even if that's the case, you can't deny that there's a large disconnect from what some of y'all say and what y'all mean, and if this thread is meant to educate, it's not really all that helpful to say one thing and actually mean something similar but not entirely to what y'all say. There's a lack of consistency.
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That almost sounds like an excuse to me, though. If Beyonce loses power above a certain note, she's not got an even scale. If resonance is based on technique, and if the note is within your vocal range, I believe it's possible to achieve optimal resonance throughout the scale. If her mid is more resonant than her upper, I feel as if (if this were anyone else), people would say that it's not as developed. Vocal range and tessitura may determine what notes you can sing and which ones are the easiest, but technique is what allows you to develop skills that give you an even scale and consistent power/column of sound. If Beyonce can sing the note and be resonant (to a certain degree), with even more technique, wouldn't she be even better? IDK. I feel as if that's the criteria placed on everyone.
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But, when you consider opera singers, it's not like they suddenly lose power at the top of their range or the lower end if they are good. That's why we talk about having an even column of sound, right? Even if it's natural that Beyonce's voice doesn't shine there, I don't see how with proper technique, she's not still powerful. I'm not saying she has to sound like SoHyang, just that if you're going to say that she's not as resonant as SH, I think there's a problem with how you're viewing it. To me, it just says that Beyonce's scale isn't as even as it could be. I know it's stupid to compare opera to pop, but opera singers obviously train their voices to a state where (like Sumi Jo, for instance) sings her lowest,middle, and top notes with the same resonance and power, but where you can still hear her shine in the upper register. I just feel like y'all are saying, "Beyonce's completely trained and is excellent, but that due to natural limitations, she isn't optimally resonant above a certain point and that is has nothing to do with technique," but that when advanced technique does seem to add more depth to the voice and make an even scale. If Beyonce's top-most portion isn't "optimally resonant," that's not an even scale, is it? And "as optimally resonant" I don't understand the phrase. It's either optimally resonant, or it's not, and if it's not, there's no use in trying to excuse it. I just feel like it's like saying, "Yeah, resonance depends on your technique, unless you're Beyonce, of course." SoHyang's lack of a lower register doesn't mean that it's normal because she has a great upper register. Her notes below Eb5 are still good down to a certain point, even if they aren't as good as her notes above it when her voice gets bigger, but I don't see how that makes them not optimally resonant, as everyone seems to agree Beyonce's upper notes are (aren't?). Anyway, I'm not meaning to say you're wrong or that Beyonce is bad, just that I don't understand, so if anything I've said comes across as argumentative/rude, I really didn't mean it that way and apologize for that in advance.
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No, I don't know exactly what anyone is trying to say. Even if your voice is bigger and your tessitura is higher, you don't get more resonant than optimally resonant. If that's the case, SoHyang can't be more resonant than Beyonce, and if she is, Beyonce can't be optimally resonant, right?
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I find this quite contradictory to be honest. It's like saying that Beyonce's not optimally resonant above Eb5, right? But, that it's okay because SoHyang's voice type is naturally better above there? But, if Beyonce is a trained vocalist who is so good (which I'm not saying she isn't good--not doubting her ability at all, just the way it's being discussed) then she should be optimally resonant above that point (no matter what her voice type is) in order to have an even scale. If that's the case, SoHyang couldn't really be more resonant than optimally resonant, right? So, if she is more resonant, it doesn't matter what Beyonce's voice type is. I mean, that area of her voice might naturally be harder for her to develop because of her voice type, but that doesn't excuse the fact that it's not where it should, does it? It's like saying that since SoHyang's voice shines in the upper register, it's okay that her lower register isn't as good. Even if something is naturally more inclined to have greater ease in an area of the voice, that doesn't mean that someone who is trained can't have optimal resonance, and if SoHyang has more resonance, that means Beyonce can't be optimally resonant above that point. Unless optimally resonant for Beyonce is different than optimally resonant than SoHyang, but I've already been told before in a debate that that wasn't the case. I'm just a little confused, tbh. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything like that, just I don't understand your choice of words.
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haha Got them all. ;) Her voice is pretty distinctive. Maybe I've just heard it too much. haha
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