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intl fans..

The fuck? "fucking annoying?" Those "oh-so great" I-roaches who sent those wreaths probably don't know how much hate our kids (Pledis trainees) are getting. Fuck. Despite all this, you guys are still "fucking foreigners" (who are not able to support to the capacity of K-fans). You fuckers. God.
^ translation of tweet
All I can say is yikes.
Their other tweets are about how the apology by the I-fans who sent the wreath should be written in Korean as the people being effected are Koreans.
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According to a DC Gallery comment, the Lai Guanlin fan apologized on Twitter for her outbursts.
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Ok I am scared,
The two centers were Hong Eunki and Kenta
but then it became Haknyeon?
How did that happen?
I am so scared cause he gotnso much hate over centering last time.
I am not too worried of Eunki because he was eliminated, meaning he was never actually a center
:( He was one of my top picks and a victim along with Haknyeon of malicious editing. Really a shame Mnet decided to kill two birds with one stone
But I'm a bit worried about Kenta because he is also in the same shit list as Haknyeon and gets the no screen time/malicious screen time treatment...meaning that Mnet could have potentially pull the whole "Haknyeon and Kenta arguing/acting petty about being center" angle and kill two birds with one stone again.
But I'm trying to look at the bight side! Maybe Haknyeon learned to become more aware of his actions. Maybe they decide not to do malicious editing on them (...and instead move onto other trainees to claim new victims)
Unless you meant Haknyeon getting hate for just getting center (even if he proved to his teammates that he is fit for the position.) In that case, honestly.. at this point he's one of those trainees that will get internet hate for whatever he does The fans will band up once again to fight back whenever hate strikes and dedicate voting to him...
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Oh God the rice wreath/crown...
What were the fans thinking when they did this....Knowing Nu'est gets criticized a lot for placing high let alone being on the show
First of all, they shouldn't be sending these in during evaluation showcases. It's not the right place. These wreaths are for anniversaries, celebrations, and/or for individual events of the artists mentioned.
Second, they should have placed their order under "Pledis Trainee", not "Nu'est." The title placard says the order name of the rice wreath/crown....saying it flat out say Nu'est is not cool to both the Pledis trainees and other trainees.
Third, why did they include Aron..On a slightly unrelated note, this will be more fuel for K-Fans on the whole I-fans/"I-roach" hate like how translated Nate comments serve as fuel for I-Fans for their K-fans/K-Netz hate
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Kinda off topic from all the 3rd Evaluation posts but Produce 101 lowkey malicious edited BoA and fixed it during the re-airing of it today.
When the 8th episode first aired on Friday, BoA was getting a bit of flack for: not interviewing certain trainees during the ranking announcement ("Is she playing favorites?") and for saying "Looks like you should go home and drink soju" to Dongsu who just got eliminated after placing 36th ("Wow..what a random, careless, and tasteless thing to say to someone who just got eliminated!")
Well, the 8th episode re-aired again today and they added in BoA's previously not seen interviews with other trainees, including each of the 4 trainees that were candidate to being placed 35th.
ADDITIONALLY, they added in scenes explaining why BoA mentioned soju. When interviewed beforehand, Dongsu jokingly stated that if he got eliminated, he will pop a bottle of soju at home. BoA then answered back saying "Let's hope for good result so you don't have to pop open one."
So BoA actually took time to interview each trainee and even cheered on Dongsu hoping for good results. But Mnet decided to be lazy and potentially manipulative.
Two things to get from this: Mnet has stooped to a level of potentially malicious editing even BoA, a K-Pop legend who has been active for 17 years...the Nation's Producers Representative...someone who is not even being voted and doesn't need Mnet's manipulation to control who should be voted for.
The other thing is Mnet is capable of re-editing episodes completely. Not just their usual "adding in subtitles that were previously missing like in the Amazing Kiss segment" during the re-air kinda thing but "Ohhh..We can potentially cause confusion/viewers to get angry at someone. Let's re-edit this so no one gets shit for it." (Though I don't know how effective this is given that people don't watch the re-airings as much as when they first air on Friday and people don't put in effort to put up re-airings online/people don't put in effort to translate and sub re-airings.)
Either way, maybe they will also fix up on their malicious editing of trainees when they re-air their episodes again....
Or....
They can not maliciously edit anyone in the first place.

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BoA and Mnet were getting flack for their lack of interviewing of other trainees (including Haknyeon) during the 2nd Elimination announcements so Mnet reaired the 8th episode today/recently with previously not seen BoA's interview with trainees. I don't know if this edit contains BoA's interview with Joo Haknyeon but I hope now people understand BoA was not specifically choosing only few people to ask and singling out Joo Haknyeon/others. I don't think it's fair for her to be attacked for something Mnet decided not to air.
It would have helped the trainees and BoA though to air all the interviews in the first original broadcast so this wouldn't have happened in the first place.....
Really careless to edit your episode during your re-airings where people won't watch as much. I wonder if it now includes the Haknyeon interview or if Mnet is still playing the petty game and decided not to input the Haknyeon interview this time either.
Who will be your 2 pick? I can't even imagine your position right now

It was hard...but I chose my Top 3 out of my Top 6 that survived 2nd elimination: Joo Haknyeon, Ahn Hyeongseop, and Takada Kenta. I will be voting among these three every other day for this week on TMON and MNET.
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arghhhhhhh this 2nd results announcement has been personally the most awful for me.
My Top 5 choices Byeon Hyeon Min and Hong Eun Ki got eliminated... My top 3 choice Ahn Hyeong Seop dropped to ranking 19 from 6, no longer guaranteeing him a debut. And my other Top 11 candidates like Yoon Jae Chan and Yoon Hee Seok got eliminated as well.
Also a lot trainees I don't personally support/don't think too positively about are in the Official Top 11...but I digress
Really the only thing that made me happy today was Haknyeon ranking in 10th and staying in the Top 11 despite the evil editing... I honestly thought he would drop out to like 15th at most but no...He's resilient! So happy.
Proves that he truly is the fan attractor/the strength and unity in his fans.
Feeling bittersweet about the Byeon Hyeon Min and Joo Haknyeon interaction today at the end. :')
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I have complaints about the recent editing/subtitle choices for Produce 101. It's not even about the manipulative editing/evil editing anymore... it's just the pure carelessness.
Firstly, they are continuing last season's trend of not subtitling their episodes. The whole Amazing Kiss segment had no subs what so ever and I had to wear earphones on loud volume to hear and understand what they were saying. Imagine watching this episode on TV...you wouldn't be able to make out the words the trainees are saying. (To make matters worse, some of the trainees are not mic'd at all so it's all muffles.) I feel bad for those who have to translate and sub this episode.
Then there are actual issues with the subtitles. There is the usual misprinting of companies ("Brave Entertainment" Ong Sungwoo) and positions (The Boys and Girls rap stage had the subtitle of "Who is the best dancer of Produce 101?") But now, the choices of words they are choosing to air are also just thoughtless. There is the already known case of airing the terms "Bald-bug" and "payang", which means disowning a child/orphaning a child/canceling the adoption of a child, for Jonghyun. Using the suffix -roach/-bug is a thing done by people on the internet so to use that term on a TV show is so cringey. Plus, the terms are supposed to be derogatory against who they are used for. The reason why it's offensive to air the term "payang" so casually on a TV show should be clear.
And this is a personal issue.....but I'm not too pleased with the term "fortune cookie" being used in the recent behind the scenes video... The term basically means "bulge/moose knuckle/cameltoe" so to see this term being used in an official media seem tasteless to me. Yes, the boys described themselves using the term but Mnet has edited out a lot of what trainees said before...so I question the editing team's choice for keeping that term and using that term continuously.
I really hope they put more thought into what they put out.
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It's pretty much confirmed at this point that 2 of my favorite trainees are being eliminated...
Byun Hyunmin.... Hong Eunki.... sigh....

So I was glad to see good interaction between them from the recent behind the scenes video:
^Starts at 0:42
Thank you Eunki and Hyunmin for all your hard work. You guys truly are amazing performers and it's a shame we won't get to see you guys perform on the show anymore...(but on the bright side, no more potential evil editing of you guys..)
I am happy I got to vote for you guys everyday...and I will continue onto support you two in your future endeavors. (Psst. a collab of taekwondo and modern dancing from you two would be really awesome haha)
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I'm so glad Haknyeon has a good dedicated I-fan base...
(I was about to translate the graduation phootshoot meet up stories few days back but glad they were already all translated.)
Tbh, I'm not...ready for this Friday's announcements. I know for sure a few people I've been voting for everyday are now eliminated...and I don't think I'm quite ready to see Haknyeon placing outside 11, maybe even way lower than expected (happened to my other favorite trainee Hyungseop too)
I don't have a song pick for Joo Haknyeon but I think he can pull off any concept well! He has his usual fan gathering cute side but he has good facials for more edgier songs too. I can def see why tho that people want him to be in Oh Little Girl the most tho.
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I like Haknyeon more and more, please let him debut ⬆â¤â¤â¤â¤
I know statistically I'm one person out out millions voting but I am voting for him everyday to give him all the support he needs to debut. I seriously cannot imagine "I.O.I 2" without him at this point.
Welcome back~

Hopefully you can be more active~
Honestly,i was expecting mnet to try to make him more dirty after they saw that even tho he lacks screen time he gets in top11.Haven't watched the episode yet but i heard so many people talking about it,even on discord fandoms so i even memorised each line.The biggest hate i see is on OH,on discord a lot of people are defending him and the rest are netural,which makes me happy because on discord there are more members in each fandom than onehallyu.Hopefully we haven't lost a lot of people from his kr fandom.I would type more but i would make an essay so i will keep it short.><
This was out of place from what you said but i felt like i need to take it out from my chest.
I'm hoping to be more active the week of Episode 9...but the rest I have more midterms and finals :(((
I'll try to post more here tho overall because only two of my friends are deep into Produce 101 and I need more people to discuss about the show with haha.
If anything, KR Fandom strengthened to fight back and defend. In some cases, by dragging other trainees...which is not good...but that's besides the point. Maybe they lost some members but I don't think his fandom power is going anywhere. A lot of upvoted comments online are Haknyeon fans supporting each other and non-fans who already know at this point Mnet's tricks. But yeah Onehallyu seems to have an overall opinion against Joo Haknyeon. :/
Definitely tho it's good to get stuff out of chest haha. I wrote my post because I wanted to get my thoughts off my chest too.
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Long time no see guys! I have been busy with school work so I wasn't able to come out to this site often...
But! I have been just free enough to vote for my favorite 11 trainees everyday.
(For those of you who don't know, I'm Korean so I am able to vote.) Of course I have been voting for Haknyeon as well! He's the only trainee I have voted for everyday since Day 1 on both Mnet and TMON and he will be one of my Top 1 Pick choices once "Vote for One Trainee Only" system starts.Under the spoiler are my thoughts on the Haknyeon Ep 6 situation. (Sorry to beat the dead
pighorse.)When I initially saw episode 6 I thought "Oh God. He finally gets screentime but like this." and "This will blow up. What happened to Daehwi and Hyeongseop (both of who are also in my Top 7) will happen to him and Hong Eunki (also in my Top 7) too." But that's all I thought about and I still voted for him (and Eunki) knowing that this was malicious editing at its finest. Also, as with Daehwi, or Hyeongseop, or Eunki or whomever, I personally think campaigning against a trainee for showing their human side (showcasing disappointment, sorrow, conflict, eagerness, etc.) is unfair and unreasonable.
So when I logged onto see the huge harsh online backlash that both my picks Haknyeon and Eunki (He is being attacked viciously by some Haknyeon K-fans in the process of shielding Haknyeon. This is a huge issue on its own.) were getting and receiving lukewarm reaction from those around me in real life when I told them I am still pushing Haknyeon as my main pick...it made me think a bit for a quick second: Am I doing the wrong thing? Am I voting for someone that deserves to be criticized...someone that doesn't deserve to debut?
The answer is No. I can very well vote for whoever I like and support whoever I like and I don't have to feel guilty about it. Looking at the online rise of positive reactions for Daehwi and Hyeongseop and seeing people liking them again, I hope Haknyeon problems will soon pass over too. I am ready to see him possibly drop down places, possibly drop out of top 11, next Friday. I am also ready to vote him back into the top again.

Here are previously unreleased fan-taken photos during the first meet and greet event at Sangam from 3/9/2017! (Wow that was already more than 2 months ago!)





Photocredits to ë¼ì§€ì†Œë…„ (@ju_pigboy) and Aqua marine (@990309_Haknyeon)
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What do you guys think the best method of voting for 1 person is?
Just straight up voting for the same person everyday or switching it up? If switching it up, what's the best way to allocate?
I lowkey want to vote everyone in my Top 4/Top 5 but at the same time, don't want to spread my votes too thin :/
Will they going to allow international fans to vote?
No I don't think so at all. If anything, Mnet is getting stricter in banning international fans from voting.
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My Top 11 that I have been voting for starting this Monday.
(Yeah I'm still sticking with Joo Haknyeon as my top choice. It may switch around though after 2nd elimination and the start of 1 vote system).
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Joo Haknyeon
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Takada Kenta
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Byeon Hyeon Min
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Ahn Hyeong Seop
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Hong Eun Ki
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Park Woo Jin
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Lee Dae Hwi
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Jang Moonbok
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Lim Young Min
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Yoon Hee Seok
- Yoon Jae Chan
Realistically speaking, my Top 5 choices for my 1 votes are:
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Joo Haknyeon
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Takada Kenta (Hopefully he makes it!)
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Ahn Hyeong Seop
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Park Woo Jin
- Lee Dae Hwi
Also one thing regarding Joo Haknyeon:
My biggest grip with him is some of his Korean fans. They do more damage than protection. Still angry at so many rude comments about Hong Eunki being spread by Joo Haknyeon fans all over Korean websites. Understand that Haknyeon made poor decisions and move on. If you are going to shield him, don't attack another trainee in the process.
When will the one vote system start?
One vote system starts next Friday after 2nd elimination to be specific.
The 11 vote system ends this Friday.
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Do Koreans call Sexy Baby Oh My Lady
As "ì 패오래" (sek bae Oh lae) for short
For Park WooJins Iconic line?
Yup! Korean Park Woo Jin fans and Korean Produce 101 fans refer to that line as ì„¹ë² ì˜¤ë ˆ (Sek Bae Oh Lae).
Kind of an iconic line from a performance that is pretty much the turning point of Park Woo Jin this season!
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I remember the same thing in the previous season. Some didn't vote for Pinky because they thought she was safe already but she was almost eliminated in that round. But i'm excited to know the result of one pick vote.
By the way, is it possible for one korean fan to have many accounts on the voting site,etc?
Yeah that's what I'm most worried about. I have a few popular picks but I feel like I can't rely on the thought that other people will vote for them. Like you said, Pinky being placed 19th was mainly because of the viewers'/Pledis fanbase's thought that "Everyone will vote for Pinky! I'll vote for my other general fave/Pledis fave instead."
With that said, I heard yes, there are Korean fans with many voting accounts. I don't know how exactly but according to a post on DC Gall (which is not the nicest community to visit around) there are people with 8 - 10 accounts total (including duplicate Mnet CJ One accounts and duplicate TMON accounts).
I'm assuming they created these accounts by borrowing their friends' and families phone numbers. Which is very possible and legal. (Hopefully they haven't resorted to shady methods in achieving duplicate accounts.)
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A little look in the past (and a look in the future) but I was looking at the voting system/benefit votes system for the 3rd Round (3rd evaluation) in Season 1.
For 3rd Round, it's a "vote for ONLY 1 trainee a day" system so that meant a lot of confederations were broken. (No more voting of trainees of same company like Jellyfish, MBK, & Pledis, and voting of trainees whose fan bases have formed a unity.) The people who really shined were trainees not under a company/under a fanbase confederation like Loen trainee Park Soyeon who jumped from 30 to 17. (Only the Top 22 survives so she got out of a tight spot!)
Furthermore, the points benefit of 1st evaluation didn't do too much in season 1 (as well as season 2) but the 3rd Round benefits made a huge impact as it was 20,000 bonus votes.
Kang Sira, who was going to be 31st and to be eliminated, jumped up to 16 because of the bonus votes she and her group received. In return, Jung Chaeyeon, Kim Nayoung, Kang Mina, and Pinky who were always in higher parts of Top 11 dropped way below to 12, 15, 18, and 19 because splitting in votes of their respective company fanbases and because their group didn't win 3rd Round.
According to calculations, had the other teams won, there would have been even bigger drops and eliminations. In fact, if the Don't Matter team with Jeon Soyeon, Kim Juna, etc. won the round, their bonus votes would have been enough to get Pinky AND Kang Mina ELIMINATED FROM THE TOP 22. Imagine that! The two IOI members would have not even made it to the 4th round!
So based on this, the 3rd Round/Concept evaluation for Season 2 could also cause serious impact on the trainee rankings. Because of "one trainee ONLY voting", company voting (MMO, Pledis, Brand New, Yuehua, etc.) will cause votes to spread out among its trainees and fan confederations like the big Jihoon/Jinyoung/Haknyeon/Euiwoong squad and the Sorry Sorry Team 2 squad will be broken apart ("I love the rest of you guys but my trainee comes first!").
And then add the fact that the 3rd Round prize is a huge load of votes (I'm sure Mnet will increase bonus votes to be way bigger than 20,000), the ranking now can be easily shaken up. The same conditions that could have lead Pinky and Kang Mina to be eliminated from the Final 22 can happen this season as well.
So based on this my questions for this season are:
1.) Who is your number one pick that you will push for 3rd Round and the final round?
2.) Do you think your favorite trainees will be okay from these conditions?
3.) Are you worried/excited about the potential mass changes that may happen to the rankings?
Source of calculations: https://namu.wiki/w/%ED%94%84%EB%A1%9C%EB%93%80%EC%8A%A4%20101/10%ED%9A%8C
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Just revisiting this video lol.
One of the main point of this video was his funny (mis)pronunciation of "í•´ë„/haedo" as "ìºë„/kaedo" at 0:09 and it has now become a sort of meme among Korean Park Woo Jin fans.
I really hope this video goes viral enough so that BoA and Park Woo Jin talk about it on the show.
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I asked a friend in Korea to vote for me for my 30th day.
Therefore, I was able to get in my 30th vote and I got myself enrolled into the sweater contest!
I hope I win....I don't care if I get the F level grey sweater or A level pink sweater... Just owning a piece of Produce 101 gear is enough to make me happy haha. (I have also officially started using a VPN so will do my votes using that from now on).
An update to Shape of You performance video on Naver Cast.
After a huge backlash against changing the title of the video from "The 1st/Only Encore" to "Encore Encore", Mnet finally decided to make amends!
They added two exclamation points to the title so it now says "Encore! Encore!"
Incredible! I'm sure that's just EXACTLY what the fans wanted!

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Once it hits afternoon in Korean, I'm gonna start messaging my cousins to vote just once in my stead. I want to be in the sweater contest at least OTL
Also, this week's ranking has been such a surprise/wake-up call. I don't think we had such drastic rise and fall in rankings last season.
Mnet really tried to kill off as many trainees they can this episode. The amount of people that got the devil's editing is crazy.
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I've been very busy with school and work but I've been watching the show and voting everyday. Have been very off this website overall as well due to the amount of work I have. (Hope you guys have been doing well!)
My top 11 has switched around a lot over the last time I posted here based on how each trainee performed. (I don't account in any "personality" issues because I take them all as a product of malicious editing.)
Today, I was one vote away from entering into the "Produce 101 Trainee Sweater" event. For those of you who don't know, people who vote for 30 days get entered into a contest where they can win an official Produce 101 sweater. (The ones worn by trainees during practices to be specific.)
Then I found out my account JUST got blocked from voting as I am currently overseas.

Even though I'm a Korean resident/citizen with a Korean phone number.... Because I am voting currently from my school in US, I am no longer able to vote. Wish they could have blocked me after today so I could have at least entered the sweater contest haha
I want to apologize to those in this page who have sent me trainees to vote for in the past. I no longer can vote for them or for my faves. (This bothers me a bit because some of my picks are in a tight spot at the moment.)
Currently my siblings are also not in Korea and my parents don't know how to use the internet.....and I don't have that many friends in Korea....so lending my account to someone in Korea won't really work. I also heard from someone that IP changes don't work either. Mnet has gotten really strict!
I'm trying to figure out a way to vote again but if not...I will happily watch how the show progresses and the trainees progress from the sidelines.

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thx Kevin
I'll pm you if things still not working out
I Just Wanna Vote lmao
Sounds good!

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yeah I use my friend's (who lives in korea) number
I follow the steps for verification but still won't work, I'll try it again later
If you need help with the process of getting your accounts approved, reply back here or PM me! I can help you out thoroughly for both Tmon and Mnet.

You saying Kenta is the real star and voting for him really made my day. Thank you!

Sent from my SM-J510FN using OneHallyu mobile app



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This has been an issue since the 1st evaluation and I don't think Mnet is planning to change it. :/
It's unfair but Mnet doesn't really seem to care at this point