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@onefive got signed onto Avex. Here’s the announcement:

Two people I know have made it clear that Bands are the next big thing. Ronald and a Japanese guy who is a suit at one of the leading agencies in Japan. The suit actually made it clear that the only idol group that would survive, based purely on numbers, was Nogizaka46. Out of pure curiosity, I asked him about AKB and Niziu and he told me the sun was slowly but surely going to set on AKB and as regards Niziu, his words ,paraphrased, not mine: Niziu will have their fun for two or three years, then it is over Shrugs PS: People complained about the lack of budget and the use of CGI in the Girls2 PVs. But that's nowhere near @onefive's complete lack of budget for their BBB PV. It's almost as if LDH and Amuse are disinterested in splashing out for PVs for their new idol groups. At least LDH made their PV attractive to their target audience, Amuse did not even bother? Why?

LOL! I don't hate it but I am cold to it. It just has not captivated me like it evidently has, you. And I happen to be a hell of a lot more demanding than you when it comes to music. It's basically true that KPop fans can't take any criticism of KPop especially when things that matter to KPOP fans, like stats and Billboard performances, are questioned. You see every time someone or other critiques those things. Words like "racist" are, in turn, bandied around by K-Pop fans. I've seen it many times, trust me Not really, considering I feel that Niziu, @onefive and Girls2 have miles to go before they even become listenable, let alone memorable. That is, if they ever do. Did you even bother to read my opinions on the songs put out girls2 and Niziu? 'Cause you sure post like you haven't. I'll recap, for your benefit: Now, looking back again on what you said: "you should have titled this thread as..." My response: Evidently that skipped your attention. I started the @onefive thread and then criticized the producers right on that thread. Would you dare to do that with any K-Pop group thread you created? Answer me? Would you? I am, are you? Can you read between the lines? In fact, can you read at all? I posted those videos to show you what actual, critically acclaimed musicians thought about JPOP, thanks to the generalizations brought about by the other Kpopper. I also critiqued two songs of each group, yet you still... So much for being alright! Note that both Marty and the African-American Jazz player guy singled out JPOP, vs APOP not K-POP. APOP has nothing to prove, by the way, it's proved itself, over the past decades. And JPOP seems to be happy where they are . KPoppers and KPOP are the only ones who feel that they need to prove something, hence the obsession with stats. streaming...

It's going to sound bland if there's no variation in the vocal line. In addition, it's also going to sound annoying, which is what I felt with "Make You Happy. In fact, it did not "Make Me Happy". That particular song annoyed me to no end. As for terrible live performances. I wouldn't waste my time listening to live performances of KPOP. Some like it. Others like me, don't. We find it far too repetitive and dull. You mean all 24 seconds if it (and that's me being generous)? LOL. Abba, like JPop and K-Pop is just that, Pop. Your attempt trying to differentiate J/K Pop by limiting it to idol pop is simply a deliberate attempt to skew the argument your way and is ultimately meaningless. Pop is Pop, whether it's from America, The UK, Japan, Sweden, Germany or Korea. That's what K-Pop fans say to any criticism of K-Pop. Bold words, especially when it's clear that this group's still being tweaked. We'll see what happens. Lot's of uncertainty in the market. Look below. But the moves are still simplistic. And not energetic. The dance formations are nothing spectacular. Girls2 has better upper body movements than Niziu and more energy in their performances with the formations are not there. That's your make up. The first video only talks about KPop, there's no comparison to JPOP. I didn't watch the second video. The first video looks more like a hype video for K-Pop than anything else. Sorry, but I'll take Marty Friedman's word over this. Also this video which compares American Pop to JPop: No they won't, until they deserve it. You must realise that the the J-idol scene is set to massively collapse in the next few years. In fact, a Japanese friend of mine who works in the J-idol industry point blank told me "Niziu will have their fun for two-three years, after that it is over". According to him, JYP and Sony are wasting their money on this project. That is, of course his opinion but it does help explain why the Japanese Idol Offices are not putting too much of their money into anything new. It's almost as if LDH are bracing themselves. In fact my friend thinks that only Nogizaka has a sure-shot chance of survival and that's NOT because of the music. Bands are going to be the next big thing in Japan - ask Ronald, he'll tell you that. I don't see anything memorable or cutting edge in Niziu, either. I was annoyed by the first one. The other was just OK, it hasn't given me any impetus to check out Niziu's other songs. That's because they're in no hurry to put this group out. The same thing with Amuse's group, @onefive. It's there, but it's simply not a priority for them. Not now, and especially not when the "idol boom" is about to go bust. Who knows, JYP's gamble might work, then again, it might not, if my friend is correct.

Mhm. But IMO the voices need to be distinguishing enough to have impact, else...

Yes. I think, by the time LDH are done, they're going to find ways to make Girls2 clash with Niziu. At least, that's the vibe I'm getting. No, LDH don't intend launching the group internationally - that's clear from the "YouTube Ver" tag.

It's all about the fricking 4 chord RnB melodies that are simplistic, overused and, therefore, stale VS more elaborate, more ambitious melodies that are created with complex jazz-like chord progressions: Nonsense. That's just an opinion. Your opinion. I've heard plenty of catchy JPop songs with "those fricking melodies". Perfume, for example, may not work for you but it sure as hell does work for me. From my perspective the first Girls2 song is actually catchier than Step And A Step which is quite toothless and inoffensive in it's production. There's absolutely nothing cutting edge in Step & a Step that grabs you by the throat and pulls you in. This is how I'd rate Step & A Step: inoffensive, safe, not compelling Make You Happy: annoying. Party Time: catchy, safe, not compelling Starrrt!: meh!

Did you even comprehend what that guy was saying? He said that ALL forms of J-Music had those differences be it Pop or Rock. The Pop music cannot be more bland than their Rock music when ALL those genre's have the same underlying musical structure. As for Japanese chord structures not being westernized - in a way they are, because Jazz also uses the same underlying music structures and last I checked, Jazz wasn't invented in China or Japan. First you said it was melody, now you're talking about arrangements - do you even have a grasp of what you are saying? Both are not at all distinguishable when there's subtle to no great variation either in tone or in volume of the voice(s) on a vocal line. 20 odd seconds cannot not hit it for showing personality off, either - the time's just not there to illustrate it.

That doesn't mean they should cheap out on videos, but the agencies are doing exactly that. The reason is two-fold: 1) COVID has caused a serious cash flow problem within the J-entertainment industry. Also the uncertainty that it brings with it beings with it, plenty of instability. 2) The idol market is rapidly shrinking in Japan. The female singers gave way to the idols. It's the idols turn now to give way to the bands. Only those idols with strong wota bases will survive. The rest likely won't.

It's absolutely got nothing to do with the melodies. In fact Japanese melodies tend to be more complex than the American ones. A Japanese song typically uses a 60 chord progression whereas a typical western song uses a 4/6 chord progression. Here's master guitarist Marty Friedman explaining it: No they couldn't - not if they weren't paying attention. Simply because there's no wide tonal variation between the singers. especially if the listener was mildly intoxicated or if the music was masked by the louder sounds of a television blaring in another room or if one was paying attention to something else whilst the music plays in the background. As for the concept of having one's own lines in the song adding personality to it - well, I don't see much of that at all in Niziu. Having 9 members means that any given song has to be split 9 ways. So based on Niziu's Make You Happy which clocks in at 3:28, let's see how that works out per group member. We'll round it out to 3:30 for convenience and we will not deduct time for music without vocals. Let's see now 60x3.5 =210. So we have a clock duration of 210 seconds for a song. Then, 210/9=23.33. We'll be generous and give each one 24 seconds. Now, question time: Do you honestly think any singer can show off their personality if they are only given 24 seconds in one song? See what I mean. Many talented singers would not do it.

We'll agree to disagree here. I found the simplistic structure of the first song to actually be catchier than either "Step & A Step" (which I found toothless but pleasant yet not particularly cutting edge in any way) and especially "Make U Happy" which I found massively annoying. It's the same with Niziu. There just isn't enough vocal tonal variation between the members for it to be meaningful. The 2 female members of ABBA had a much wider tonal variation than the nine members of Niziu! Not really, it's about the same. This one's absolutely true. I see that with the whole of K-Pop, actually, with the exception of CL.

They're using basic sets and CGI. It's cheaper Budgets have probably gone for a toss, especially after COVID.

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