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3. [+386, -16] SM should stop casting foreigners. Everyone who left this year has been a foreigner.

I had no idea Jessica and Sulli weren't Korean.
Probably wasn't mentioning Sulli, and Jessica is KoreanAm, meaning she has somewhere else to go (she's not "trapped" in just the SK domestic industry just because of her passport/citizenship status).
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They mention their ethnicity as if being a non-Korean/KoreanAm in Kpop doesn't lead to more alienation, being passed up, being under more scrutiny, etc.
Sure foreigners have somewhere else to go, but they seem to be mistaking the effect for the cause.
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Well, people in the closet come up with all sorts of excuses but it is completely possible for a person's sexuality and romantic orientation to not line up completely... The gender(s) you like to have sex with don't have to be the one(s) you're also romantically interested in.
This is why I'm hesitant to jump to the "beard" conclusion with people like GD and Sungmin. It's entirely possible but life isn't always so predictable.
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It's not your English skills that are the problem. I'm a native English speaker (and an English teacher, even) and I also find it extremely difficult to put this into words. I find nuances and feelings can never truly be 100% described in words; in order to fully understand them you have to experience them.
The closest word I've come up with to describe that stereotypical thing you see in many gay guys' movements is "delicate", even though that's not completely on the money since there are straight men who could also be described as "delicate". It's a very specific kind of delicateness.... It's definitely different from straight up femininity, and it's not weakness. It's like a special form of masculinity. You know what I'm getting at, right?

I have yet to encounter a guy who had that stereotypical feeling about him that wasn't gay. I'm sure they're out there, but they're rare.
Since you seem to have a rather advanced gaydar, would you mind making a list of who you think might be gay?

I experience it as "appreciation of his masculinity, as well as the masculinity of other men". It's hard for me to describe without sounding like I'm hating on femmes, but what I mean is this: even with a femme/genderqueer gay man, he appreciates the fact that he has a penis, and could write poems about his ass, even if the guy in question is a hard top.
I know this is an old post, but I'm on mobile and replying to this was a good way to get on the current page otl
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I think a lot of OHers don't really have experience with co-ed partying + believe some fantasy about China's/Asia's clubbing scene being somehow more innocent than western ones, which allows them to get 100% "proof" of Tao's heterosexuality from this tabloid piece.
When in reality, it really says nothing about his sexuality since there's no handbook outlining gay/straight behavior while drunk lol.
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sorry I didn't get what you try to say, can you explain further (MY ENGLISH IS STILL POOR SORRY)

It's okay. All I was saying was Eunhae both see their relationship as a strong friendship, but along the way, they may have developed feelings for each other. However, their commitment to having their relationship be seen as affectionate but platonic ("just friends") blinds them to the possibility that it could be romantic. Or they feel like there could be something more, but doesn't want to risk what they have with the other by bringing it up.
And I know this is all in my head with no evidence that I know of, but I mentioned I have seen this happen in my real life between 2 guy friends so I get the same vibe from them.
I hope that's a better explanation! It's complicated for me to think about, so I'm not good at putting it in words. Sorry.
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< I dunno if someone already post this fact > but I read in ( BTS/ Bangtan ) rapmonster's facts that he openly support gay/llesbian rights. â‚©_â‚© he really did gained my respect
and I also think the other members are as open minded as him $_$.
Do you remember where he showed this. I believe you, he seems socially liberal when it comes to race too, so seeing proof would be nice.


inner thigh rub during an interview, like he cares

LOL at Siwon : "??...Should I-...Oh well, nvm"

Lol Siwon is forever third-wheeling on that ship. It seems like his past shipmates abandoned him (I'm thinking of Kyuhyun here).
I'm starting to think Eunhae is some kind of inception ship: they had good chemistry so they were encouraged to promote it, so they think apart of it is for show, but admist all that is real adorkable love, but they are shielded by that because of their dedication to keep up a "hetero life-partner bro" image*.
*Having been witness to something like this in real life makes me believe in this possibility lol.
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It's possible, but highly unlikely imo.
It's difficult to put into words, but he's basically the quintessential gay guy who wishes he were into women and pretends to be bi because he can't bear living a complete lie but he can't bear living the complete truth either. He hits like every marker.
I know stereotypes aren't always 100% accurate, but if it walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck... well, you know the rest.
Bi or not, I hope he finds a bae who can give dat ass the attention it deserves.
Message to Kiko: Get. Up. In. There.
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btw I also disagree that korean companies convince people all artists are straight, have you seen recent mv, music show, choreographies???... they're "pushing" the gay side of everyone.
honestly there's no idols now, who doesn't have a gay vibe.
Eh...it seems like they are just using homosexuality as a gimmick/joke to me. They know fans like it, but only if it stays a fantasy :-/
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tbh i wonder if most of male idols actually realize how gay they look and that most of non asians would say the same thing, gay
...This...was the kind of mess I was talking about on my last paragraph. giant-sigh.gif
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I'm cool with it...
It's scary how being straight these days is a crime and tag you as homophobic.... Tsk... Tsk...
I can't with all these sensitive green minded people....

As a Sungmin stan, lol, this is the 1st time I heard people calling him Homophobic....lmao...
EDIT: Quoting this.
Gay people shouldn't be so defensive, not everything is about gay rights, heterosexual people also has rights and should be respected.
Your edit changes nothing. People have a right to say whatever they want. They don't have the right for people to blindly accept everything they say without criticizing them.
Literally no one is trying to attack the "rights of straight people" lol.
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Since learning more about Korean, I think the Tae thing is a mistranslation too. Putting emphasis on her being a black woman does not imply Alicia is an exception. I think the accusation of racism about Yongguk's comment about wanting to be reborn as a black man is a cultural misunderstanding. But try to offer different opinions and you're an "oppapologist" lol. They can't tell the difference between delulus and a disagreement anymore smh.
I thought Swings took his phobic statement back in a song.
Anywho, there have been idols who make homophobic statements and agree with them completely (even though I suspect a lot of the no homo stuff is to avoid being ostracized). The intl fandom can be pissed about it all we want though, but I don't think it will affect the artist him/herself unless more in the k-fandom (in Korea and abroad) call them out on it. I don't doubt there are Korean people who are offended, but I suspect they either weren't fans to begin with so they just write that idol off, or just leave the fandom because they know they will be outnumbered by overly devoted fans.
Of course, we should keep talking about it regardless because there are a lot of homophobes in the intl fandom who would learn from others calling out idols for behavior they themselves would support. I find their homophobia sadly ironic--most of them are girls/women, and they don't see that a lot of homophobia stems from misogyny (shaming traditionally female traits in men because any activity associated with women is inherently inferior to traditionally male activities).
I think SJ fans got the iimpression that Siwon isn't so uptight about that anymore.
I know not all transgendered people are gay, but just discussing the lgbtq spectrum, I know people felt Henry's reaction at Heechul's appearance ("I thought he was transgender!") was transphobic. Ironically, little to no effort was made to call him out on it in the English-speaking intl community when he's from Canada, so there would have been less of a language barrier!
I think what grinds my gears more than homophobic k-idols are the Korean men who say they don't like kpop because it is "effeminate". This includes Korean hiphop artists. On their diss tracks, Swings had so many homophobic/misogynistic statements ("I Control You" I think??), and Simon D had some too. I don't like it in American hiphop, so why would I tolerate it just because someone Korean says it??Edit: Correction: Swing's track was "King Swings Part 2". Gaeko's was "I Control You" (which I liked, but can't confirm any homophobic verses were in it because of the language barrier). Simon D's was called "Control".
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...Xiumin saying how he'll spend his free time going out with Luhan and when Luhan's gone he'll spend his time alone...
BOOM right in the feels

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What's interesting is the need to adress it based on stereotypes and reject the notion. There are several possible scenarios, but I can see a brain behind this that goes "this kid will be obvious, let's kill it preemptively". That means there not only is public perception now, but awareness of that perception as well. I wonder what it bodes for the Sungjongs of tomorrow.
I was wondering about this too.
I was thinking about the gay/bi guys in Korea too. With all this "no homo" bro culture emerging, I wonder what will happen with gay men and their same-sex affection that used to fly under the radar for the most part. I know there have been Korean men who have sworn up and down that the concept of common male-male skinship in Korea is a fangirl myth, but others (men and women) have said that they are just more self-conscious about it because LGBT issues are being talked about more (so the denial of male-male skinship may be another "no homo" response). Talk about a catch-22.
The same thing happened in the US though, so maybe it's just human nature to dig our heels in when change comes.
I don't know if it will affect same-sex affection with women so much, but I could be wrong.
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I think Henry's a bit of a tsundere tbh.
After reminding myself of what that was, yes I'd say this is fairly accurate.
But once the warmth out with that kid, it's out. If I wasn't such a Henry fan I would think he was downright cheesy.
Speaking of Henry, idk if this has been posted here already because SuJu is like low-hanging fruit when it comes to this subject, but I always get a kick out of this Henry/Donghae/Eunhyuk interaction - (Henry/Donghae stage kiss + jealous Eunhyuk):
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I literally just saw this and came here lol!
I'm casually optimistic about it. (also i'm not extremely familiar with jieun and yonguk, but have they adressed any sort of taboo subjects before, music wise or in like interviews etc or is this a new thing?)
I don't tend to get excited about these things until I see it. Everyone was excited about 4Ladies showing lesbian affection, but IMO, the song actually isn't that great.
I don't know about Jieun, but Yongguk is pretty socially conscious. He helped think up the concept of Badman and that was a concept based on Detroit. I'm a Michigander so I have mixed feelings about the project (don't want to derail) but I still recognize for a person from a completely different country to care about what's going on in my state enough to make music about it is still significant. And he tweets about major world events when he has the time. The Gaza Strip, Syria, and the Pope's visit to Korea (not even Christian and that still melted my heathen heart, geez) have been issues that have showed up in his timeline.
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i'm just making sure nobody forgot about this






idk if it's just me but this performance looked natural as fuck ( let's not forget to mention taemin biting his lips like he wanted it)
*excuse the messy layout of the gifs my laptop acting up lol
I've always been doubtful about that fanservice...WAIT HEAR ME OUT lol
Yes, those gifs look racy, but they don't look that believable when watching full clips. Even in the first one, in a full clip of that move, Taemin moves his hand away from Jonghyun's belt like it gave him static shock. Like he thought "Woah, ok, too much, tone it down."
Not saying neither of them are gay or bi and not saying "this blatant display proves they aren't gay" either (like really, what is this reasoning even...). Lord knows I still never get tired of seeing it, so no matter what, it's still an honorable mention

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Yes, this is what I wanted to point out. This issue isn't even related to misogyny, it's only about wanting boundaries to be respected. (I definitely wasn't touching the main issue about femme-phobia). It's nice that most of the guys on that thread seem to be open to people outside of their designated group, but I can definitely understand why someone would be pissed about the situation.
Ah yes, straight people and gay clubs. Now you can't even be sure if the person you're hitting even likes the same sex.
Kinda kills the whole point of a "gay" club. Also, femme bisexual here as well, I know your pain.Seeing as I'm not lesbian I cannot speak on their behalf, but as a bisexual there are definitely a lot of fetishizing going on. I recently had a short talk with my colleagues about bisexuality, and the men there seemed to equate bisexual girls with "hot threesomes". I tried to explain that not all of us were into that, but apparently, they knew better than an actual bisexual girl. If I make out with a girl, no males are allowed, simple. But to these guys it seems to be more of a fun kink.
That is annoying as well. I know that some people are actual transgenders (who have been medically declared as so, not self-proclaimed like half the snowflakes of tumblr), but a good chunk of them just seem to like yaoi and otp culture so much that they want to have a dick like those they worship. Unsurprisingly, those types of girls are often mysogynistic, so you've got yourself a pretty annoying combo.
It's cool if the other guys are fine with it (because obviously I'm in no position to tell them how they should feel about it), but someone who does not feel okay with his space being invaded by people who technically don't belong there, is totally justifiable.
I've looked a bit through it as well, and I can guarantee you there are girls saying stuff like "omg I love reading about your fantasies, keep it up" or "I can't help but lurk here, teehee". These were not the exact words of course, but you get the gist of it. I don't know about you, but if dudes read the lesbian thread and then proceeded to tell us that they enjoyed reading our fantasies, I'd be hella creeped out. At least don't post anything, because I certainly don't need to know it.
About all hell breaking loose, I was talking in a more general way, not only in this forum. If you go on Tumblr, there are plenty of it. And they are absolutely right; female homosexuality should not be fetishized. People who do it should get called out on it. However, no mention of how gay male fetishization is awful as well, because surprise, most of Tumblr fetishize the hell out of them. They can't really call themselves out on their own bullshit.
"I know that some people are actual transgenders (who have been medically declared as so, not self-proclaimed like half the snowflakes of tumblr)"
LOL I just heard this is a thing yesterday and I'm like

(same for #girlf*g
)Can we call ourselves on ours though? Doesn't this topic count? Because I like normalizing homosexuality/non-heteronormativity through conversation but sometimes the lines that shouldn't be crossed are hard for me to see.
...Is this to meta?
...I'm gonna go sip some tea and scan kpop twitter now

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I guess, but from what I read of that argument, but from what I've seen from the argument is that the other guys are fine that they are there? I can't say if the girls are fetishsizing the guys or not though, I've only been on there a few times and I'm to lazy to read the whole thread. I don't know about all hell breaking loose, the few times I've seen guys doing that on this forum, no one really said anything.

I never said he was any of those things, just asking if he had a problem with those things, not hate. Because of how he said some things on that thread and how he is being ignorant on here.
Just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply a strong emotion like "hate" either. "Hate" doesn't have to be involved in discrimination for it to be discrimination. I wouldn't say "hate" is what has been exhibited here, if that helps~
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A little sad atmosphere here lately with some ignorant trolls being butthurt.
This is just a photoset but still have some beautiful sights people and cheer up.


Oh man, Daehyun and his sexy ass eye pouches...I can't even handle that BAMF right now.
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Well, I could definitely understand this one though. I wouldn't want guys on the lesbian/bisexual female thread either, since it is made for women. I assume the EXO gay fans thread was initially meant for male gay/bisexual fans, not women. Let's be real though, yaoi-loving girls probably lurk there a lot. Fetishizing gay men seems to be widely accepted on here, but once someone fetishizes lesbians, all hell breaks loose.
Double-standards, no?
I agree. But on the basis that it is meant for gay men and that should be respected. Honestly, I'm not a fan of the argument being made on the basis of straight up misogyny or femme-phobia. I think that's the beef here, right?
Like, I don't like straight girls at clubs for gays and lesbians but not because they are too feminine, but I really love femme lesbians and bi women, so straight women really gum up the works lol. Being a bi femme chick myself, I know that femme lesbian/bi womem invisibility is real, so that makes it worse tbh.
So, could be a "right for the wrong reasons" issue?
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Bless this post lol.KISS SPAM POST ~
Spoiler because gif overdose!













And just because he's hot

In that second Heechul gif, is he kissing Henry? I think I read somewhere that Henry wasn't really into the fanservice when he first started. Gotta say, the guy has adapted really well in that regard. I'm thinking of the bromance b/w him and Donghae on Happy Camp (silver hair Donghae era).
Idk, being in cute relationships myself with my guy and girlfriends, I like seeing others in them, so their bromance was like... :tear:
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And men are still men even while crossdressing. I'm pansexual so I wouldn't understand I guess since I like all gender but crossdressing doesn't change your gender, so why would you be less of a man?
(And why would every gay men have the same type?)
Preach.
And according to Eddie Izzard, a lot of cross-dressing men are heterosexual and identify as men.
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for a second i was confused like, "why did they suddenly turn to a career in animal care"
but now i get what you are saying lol. i agree with your points, better said than i ever could :3
also this is random bu i went to my first gsa meeting guys :3
Lol sorry.
For others, "vets" is short for "veterans".

























Which male idols do you think are gay?
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I have similar feelings about Sungmin, even if I hesitate to think it's 100% correct. I want him to be happy, so I'm hoping that lightning struck and they are in love, or it's a lavender marriage (not ideal, but not a bad arrangement considering).
I didn't know about what Japanese VIPs were saying about Kiko. Interesting!
For the other discussion: As long as my right to love anyone I want is acknowledged, I couldn't care less if people find a "bi" gene or not. I don't have to justify my existence through any means, not even science.